What do you know that these leaders do not?
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luiza
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MORE FAKE NEWS based on bankrupts being able to deliver more than Hot Air and threats .
These bankrupts are naturally desperate to keep Russia as a Fake aggressor because there is presently no other way for them to make money and support their debts .
However , they have a huge extra conflicting problem, because they no longer fully set and then dictate narratives .
That has become impossible with over 50% of the world against them ( BRICS PLUS ).
And their biggest location for making money( Ukraine ) is ruled by Russia the moving force behind BRICS Plus .
Now this situation is worsening by the day as they have no remaining fighting force and can do almost nothing to help the existing thin defence line .
Russia is even trampling everywhere that remains of importance -----Kharkiv , Lyiv , Odessa and Kyiv itself .
Regardless, those OP listed organisations are still desperate and will do anything to hold on to previous days of imagined glory and power.
Even though those days are gone forever .
Nothing actually remains except bluster and threats--- they have become hot air and BS machines.
And Russia marches on with Poodles nursing a secret smile .
DGS49
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If we were talking about a game, then the resolution for the Good Guys would be clear and unambiguous: Russia must be forced to withdraw its forces to the previous borders, including those sections taken since 2014.
But this will not happen as long as Putin is alive and in control of Russia. EVERYBODY knows this. Indeed, Our Beloved President seems willing to give Russia every square meter that they have taken so far, as well as some aspired-to territory that he is still trying to take.
And NOBODY, American or European, is willing to do what is necessary to get him and his forces out. It is said to be the nuclear threat, but that's not real. Civilized countries will no longer put their armed forces into battles where casualties are a certainty. They will risk casualties, but not accept casualties. It is an entirely new paradigm that nobody speaks out loud. It is the paradigm that is manifested by comparing casualty figures from Afghanistan and Vietnam or Korea. They are down by 90% (figuratively) despite the conflict lasting much longer.
"We" cannot win a conflict where the other side doesn't care about casualties. Check out what's going on in the Holy Land. Israel kicks the shit out of Hamas, but it cannot win because Hamas literally does not care about casualties, and Israel does. The same is happening in Ukraine. Russia is getting the shit kicked out of it - casualty numbers confirm this - but Ukraine cannot win. Europe could not win. Europe + the U.S. could not win. Because Russia doesn't care about casualties and simply will never surrender.
But this will not happen as long as Putin is alive and in control of Russia. EVERYBODY knows this. Indeed, Our Beloved President seems willing to give Russia every square meter that they have taken so far, as well as some aspired-to territory that he is still trying to take.
And NOBODY, American or European, is willing to do what is necessary to get him and his forces out. It is said to be the nuclear threat, but that's not real. Civilized countries will no longer put their armed forces into battles where casualties are a certainty. They will risk casualties, but not accept casualties. It is an entirely new paradigm that nobody speaks out loud. It is the paradigm that is manifested by comparing casualty figures from Afghanistan and Vietnam or Korea. They are down by 90% (figuratively) despite the conflict lasting much longer.
"We" cannot win a conflict where the other side doesn't care about casualties. Check out what's going on in the Holy Land. Israel kicks the shit out of Hamas, but it cannot win because Hamas literally does not care about casualties, and Israel does. The same is happening in Ukraine. Russia is getting the shit kicked out of it - casualty numbers confirm this - but Ukraine cannot win. Europe could not win. Europe + the U.S. could not win. Because Russia doesn't care about casualties and simply will never surrender.
WorldWatcher
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European companies have provided about $160 BILLION to Ukraine for the bill for the war.
WW
How will Israel?
The US taxpayer.
Eastern Europe and Russia like other hot spots of the world have always paid a price in lives.
1srelluc
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Given the lack of freedoms the people on the OP's list have in their own countries (and getting worse all the time) I'm not too keen in getting into bed with them on anything.....Much less supporting a country that suspended elections.
iamwhatiseem
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Oh it certainly is, you just don't want it to be.
In typical Mac1958 style - you ask a loaded question, and demand responses to that question without making any other points.
And then start yelling MAGA and Orange man bad.
Said the man that was happy that the us taxpayer was paying to operating a chinese bio-weapons lab, in china.
CrusaderFrank
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They "support" Ukraine? With supporters like that who needs enemies?
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iamwhatiseem
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And the Europeans are the ones that outsourced all of their energy source to Russia that made Putin the richest man in the world. DURING THE WAR EU countries have paid Russia $913,000,000,000 in exchange for oil/nat gas.
They financed this war.
www.russiafossiltracker.com
They financed this war.
Russia Fossil Tracker – Payments to Russia for fossil fuels since 24 February 2022
www.russiafossiltracker.com
berg80
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Aid flows to Ukraine shifted significantly in March and April 2025. While the United States allocated no new aid during this period, European countries increased their support. As a result, Europe has, for the first time since June 2022, surpassed the U.S. in total military aid, totaling EUR 72 billion compared to EUR 65 billion from the U.S. However, the increase has not been evenly distributed across Europe. Countries such as the Nordics and the United Kingdom have markedly stepped up their aid, while others, such as Germany, have maintained more moderate levels. These are among the key findings from the latest update of the Ukraine Support Tracker, which includes data through April 2025.
Ukraine Support: Europe largely fills the US aid withdrawal, lead by the Nordics and the UK
Aid flows to Ukraine shifted significantly in March and April 2025. While the United States allocated no new aid during this period, European countries increased their support. As a result, Europe has, for the first time since June 2022, surpassed the U.S. in total military aid, totaling EUR 72...
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Perhaps now would be a good time to ask yourself how you became so misinformed? Is it willful ignorance by virtue of the sources of info you use? Bias from your political persuasion? Think about it.
DonGlock26
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Let those super-smart Europeans fund the war then.
berg80
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They "know" what right wing media tells them. Just like they "know" trump won in 2020 because Faux said so.
In one text message, Mr. Watters, who now hosts “Jesse Watters Primetime” on Fox News, said to his colleague Greg Gutfeld: “Think about how incredible our ratings would be if Fox went ALL in on STOP THE STEAL,” a reference to the movement trying to overturn the results of the election.
Harry Dresden
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mac how come all the lefties agree with you but none of the other side do?....i dont even see middle of the roaders agreeing with you.......just asking...
American non-com style. Often wrong, never uncertain.
How much has the US given to Ukraine?
As Ukraine's president meets European leaders for talks, how much is Europe spending on military support for Ukraine compared with the United States?
www.bbc.com
How much has the US spent in total?
The US has spent a total of $130.6bn (£98.9bn) between 24 January 2022 and 30 June 2025, according to the Kiel Institute, a Germany-based think tank that tracks international support for Ukraine.
The US Department of Defense has provided its own figure looking at all spending on Operation Atlantic Resolve - a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
It says $184.8bn has been "appropriated" - a figure that covers US military training in Europe and replenishment of US defence stocks.
[...]
How does US spending compare to Europe?
Between January 2022 and the end of June 2025, Europe as a whole spent $165.7bn on Ukraine, compared to the US's $130.6bn over the same period, according to Kiel Institute calculations.
American non-com style. Often wrong, never uncertain.
How much has the US given to Ukraine?
As Ukraine's president meets European leaders for talks, how much is Europe spending on military support for Ukraine compared with the United States?
How much has the US spent in total?The US has spent a total of $130.6bn (£98.9bn) between 24 January 2022 and 30 June 2025, according to the Kiel Institute, a Germany-based think tank that tracks international support for Ukraine.The US Department of Defense has provided its own figure looking at all spending on Operation Atlantic Resolve - a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.It says $184.8bn has been "appropriated" - a figure that covers US military training in Europe and replenishment of US defence stocks.[...]
How does US spending compare to Europe?Between January 2022 and the end of June 2025, Europe as a whole spent $165.7bn on Ukraine, compared to the US's $130.6bn over the same period, according to Kiel Institute calculations.
nothing stopping europe from telling us to **** off.
If Europe and zelenski told us that we were not needed, Trump would drop them like a hot potatoe and the America voter would be fine with that.
And tehy could soak the soil of hte ukraine with as much blood as they want, for as long as they want, with no one saying boo about it.
So, ... any time you're ready.
Because you've decided anyone whom agrees with Mac is a lefty, I suppose.mac how come all the lefties agree with you but none of the other side do?....i dont even see middle of the roaders agreeing with you.......just asking...
Thanks for not addressing the falsehood raised.
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