Zone1 What do we "owe" the Homeless?

[DudleySmith]

Why post this in religion?

Why not? Christians run the most charities; pagans just cry about not being able to rape little kids yet.

 

[Concerned American]

This is posted under religion. So from that viewpoint why wouldn't you help someone suffering in any way you can, even if the best you can do is pray for them?

What makes you think I don't. I don't want the government in charge of my charitable donations. My taxes are for the common good--not supporting dead beats. Have you ever heard the old saw, The Lord helps those who help themselves?

 

[DudleySmith]

This is sad. The result of shipping labour out to 3rd World nations while citizens in the West have to live with 1st World housing costs.

Yep. Being poor here is a lot different. The 'free market' dildos want to criminalize poverty for some reason, which is rather stupid if one also advocates for 'free markets'. But in real life they don't want 'free markets', they want to be protected from their mistakes and paying their gambling losses in full while kicking street people around. Sociopaths are like that. Good thing there are still enough Evul Xians around to moderate left and right wing stupidity and hypocrisy.

 

[Michelle420]

What makes you think I don't. I don't want the government in charge of my charitable donations. My taxes are for the common good--not supporting dead beats. Have you ever heard the old saw, The Lord helps those who help themselves?

You’re right that everyone sins. We all fail in life. Few of us are willing to accept the consequences on this side of Eternity or the other. I don’t believe in forgiveness and do not ask for it. Nor do I ask for or accept help/charity. That’s a sign of weakness and I’d rather be dead.,

You gave this post a trophy.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Yep. Being poor here is a lot different. The 'free market' dildos wnat to criminalize poverty for some reason, which is rather stupid if one also advocates for 'free markets'. But in real life they don't want 'free markets', they want to be protected from their mistakes and paying their gambling losses in full while kicking street people around. Sociopaths are like that. Good thing there are still enough Evul Xians around to moderate left and right wing stupidity and hypocrisy.

I support the free market. I also support the Pursit of Happiness and rehabilitation. some despise this as the profit off of the abuse and misery of others. China is smarter than us, the don't allow certain apparatuses to profit, they leverage as many workers as they can.

 

[DudleySmith]

Not a government function. Charities exist and they are funded by the charitable folks who WANT to fund them. The American tax-paying public should not be paying charity. We already fund welfare, medicaid and numerous other socialist programs. People need to rediscover the meaning of personal responsibility.

Too bad your hero monopolists kept crashing the economy every few years with all their 'brilliance' and 'self-reliance', and finally fucked it up so bad FDR got elected to 4 terms for fixing your ridiculous economic theories. The Wall Street parasites crashed it so bad even the Christians couldn't handle the problems caused by themselves for you any more.

 

[DudleySmith]

I support the free market. I also support the Pursit of Happiness and rehabilitation. some despise this as the profit off of the abuse and misery of others. China is smarter than us, the don't allow certain apparatuses to profit, they leverage as many workers as they can.

They're just gangsters, labor racketeering is their racket, which is why Wall Street loves them and sold the country out..

 

[Michelle420]

What makes you think I don't. I don't want the government in charge of my charitable donations. My taxes are for the common good--not supporting dead beats. Have you ever heard the old saw, The Lord helps those who help themselves?

Jesus never turned down healing someone. Yes, people should help themselves but in cases of insanity, or broken veterans, or people who truly need the help, even if you can't help financially surely from a metaphysical perspective you can pray daily for them. Jesus didn't shame the insane person he cast out the evil.

The parable of the Prodigal Son shows forgiveness.

 

[DudleySmith]

I support the free market.

No, you don't; you've never lived in one. There is a reason for that; there are no markets without govt. regulation and policing.

Ayn Rand was a neurotic idiot. You can't go by what some nutjobs run around claiming. If your culture can't produce a big majority of honest and moral people, tough shit; no stupid ideology is going to save you, especially one based on pure greed and self-indulgence.

 

[DudleySmith]

Oh, about that Bible thing ... it also says a workman is worthy of his hire. it doesn't say they should work for whatever some asshat nutjob feels like paying them, and it doesn't say pay them the absolute least you can get away with, either.

You want workers who work for Red Chinese wages? Move your ass to Red China, then.

 

[Concerned American]

broken veterans

This is not charity. You need to learn the difference.
As for the rest of the post. Again, you are confusing charity with taxes. Tax payers owe the homeless nothing. That is for charity. Donate all of YOUR money that you want. Show YOUR compassion. It is not your right to force ME to pay for YOUR compassion. Stay out of my pockets. Assuage any social justice feelings you have with YOUR money.

 

[Dadoalex]

Why not? Christians run the most charities; pagans just cry about not being able to rape little kids yet.

The OP mentions nothing about either religion or ethics.

 

[Michelle420]

This is not charity. You need to learn the difference.
As for the rest of the post. Again, you are confusing charity with taxes. Tax payers owe the homeless nothing. That is for charity. Donate all of YOUR money that you want. Show YOUR compassion. It is not your right to force ME to pay for YOUR compassion. Stay out of my pockets. Assuage any social justice feelings you have with YOUR money.

Nope. This is the religion forum. So what I said is accurate. Jesus healed people, raised people from the dead, and cast out sin/evil. There were no taxes involved in that. He lifted them up from distress and what ailed them. He had mercy and compassion.

 

[Anathema]

Why don't you believe in forgiveness?

What is Done cannot be Undone. What’s Said can’t be Unsaid. What’s thought cannot be Unthought. There need to be consequences for our Thoughts, Words and Deeds.

If you Do or Say against NE, expect ME to Do and Say against you.

 

[Michelle420]

What is Done cannot be Undone. What’s Said can’t be Unsaid. What’s thought cannot be Unthought. There need to be consequences for our Thoughts, Words and Deeds.

If you Do or Say against NE, expect ME to Do and Say against you.

Sure it can many people change the road they were on to live and behave better. This happens a lot. Jesus was forgiving.

 

[Concerned American]

Nope. This is the religion forum. So what I said is accurate. Jesus healed people, raised people from the dead, and cast out sin/evil. There were no taxes involved in that. He lifted them up from distress and what ailed them. He had mercy and compassion.

Then the title of the OP is a misnomer. "We" is open ended. Many people in the world do not believe in organized religion so the fall back becomes government mandated charity through taxes. I am all for charity. Charity comes voluntarily from the heart. It is not OWED. No one OWES the homeless anything.

 

[leftwinger]

We feed & house tens of millions of Blacks, South Americans, ghetto whites etc. They build tent cities in Portland for ANTIFA when an R is in office....similar for BLM.

We didn’t owe the above anything either. But here we are Trillions later and they scream & holler "it's not enough"! I suggest chemical castration for a check, and I am Lambasted.

Between handouts, incarceration costs, riot damage, murder, unprovoked violence. Etc. They owe us taxpayers reperations! Sect8 my butt. We could use that on homeless that want to cleanup & work to be productive.

 

[Foxfyre]

Sure it can many people change the road they were on to live and behave better. This happens a lot. Jesus was forgiving.

Yes. Jesus was forgiving. But the price of forgiveness was repentance, i.e. stop sinning to the best of your ability. He told the woman that her accusers did not condemn her and neither would He, but go and sin no more. Jesus had the harshest words for the hypocrites who condemned others while they, who sinned as much or more, considered themselves to be self righteous and in no need of repentance.

I cannot imagine the person committing the crime being forgiven even as he/she plotted to commit more crime.

 

[Michelle420]

Then the title of the OP is a misnomer. "We" is open ended. Many people in the world do not believe in organized religion so the fall back becomes government mandated charity through taxes. I am all for charity. Charity comes voluntarily from the heart. It is not OWED. No one OWES the homeless anything.

Understood but it is posted in religion so answering from a metaphysical perspective makes sense.

 

[Michelle420]

Yes. Jesus was forgiving. But the price of forgiveness was repentance, i.e. stop sinning to the best of your ability. He told the woman that her accusers did not condemn her and neither would He, but go and sin no more. Jesus had the harshest words for the hypocrites who condemned others while they, who sinned as much or more, considered themselves to be self righteous and in no need of repentance.

I cannot imagine the person committing the crime being forgiven even as he/she plotted to commit more crime.

I know that but he did not lecture the insane man he cast the evil out of him. Not every healing had the same sin or ailment and he handled them differently. How can one stop sinning if they are insane and do not know they are sinning? First getting help and sometimes help is just prayer and other times it is a prayer answered in the form of a person or a better situation unfolding. I also pointed out a person has to want and accept the help. With the desire to change that leads to repentance. Not all homeless people are a lost cause. Not all homeless people have committed a crime either.