We've Had The Neocon/Progressives & Socialist/Progressives. Can Things Change?

[LibocalypseNow]

Right down the line...The Patriot Act,Bailouts,Stimulus Packages,Raising the Debt Limit,Lobbyists,Recess Appointments,Corruption,and so much more. I just don't understand how so many can see change. All i see is more of the same ole same ole. Maybe this President isn't a Socialist/Progressive. He might be a Neocon/Progressive instead. Either way,i see no change. I think Millions of Americans are beginning to agree with me on this. 2010 could be a year of real change. Lets hope so.

 

[Nosmo King]

Way to start a thread based on glenn beck talking points. LOL Beck cherry picks one group, progessives, and then falsely attributes everything negative over the last century to them and his lemmings can't wait to parrot the talking points.

Howerver, if you look at the posts from that side of the argument, starting from the OP on, there isn't a whole lot of substance. Lib just continues to make claims and never backs any of them up.

Are you saying that, as a Liberal, I have been mak(ing) claims and never backs any of them up?

 

[drsmith1072]

Way to start a thread based on glenn beck talking points. LOL Beck cherry picks one group, progessives, and then falsely attributes everything negative over the last century to them and his lemmings can't wait to parrot the talking points.

Howerver, if you look at the posts from that side of the argument, starting from the OP on, there isn't a whole lot of substance. Lib just continues to make claims and never backs any of them up.

Are you saying that, as a Liberal, I have been mak(ing) claims and never backs any of them up?

Are you arguing in agreement with the OP??

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This President has even announced he's going to allow offshore oil drilling now. How is that any different from what Bush & McCain were proposing all along? Hmm?

 

[drsmith1072]

Right down the line...The Patriot Act,Bailouts,Stimulus Packages,Raising the Debt Limit,Lobbyists,Recess Appointments,Corruption,and so much more. I just don't understand how so many can see change. All i see is more of the same ole same ole. Maybe this President isn't a Socialist/Progressive. He might be a Neocon/Progressive instead. Either way,i see no change. I think Millions of Americans are beginning to agree with me on this. 2010 could be a year of real change. Lets hope so.

ok are you the same libo from the msnbc mesage boards?? because,

1.patriot act, I remember you arguing in favor of it and defending the bush adminstration on almiost EVERYTHING.
2.bailouts, I don't remember you being against bailouts when they occured under W's watch. If you were, you weren't vocal about it.
3. the rest you are against because obama is involved and you are a partisan.

Still don't see anything to substantiate your arguments that they are all one and the same. All you have offered is you making more statements with no substance to back it up.

As for 2010 and change go, IMO yeah there will be a change IF republicans regain power, the same hypocritical republicans who you are railing against now will get re-elected, regain power and then the change will be them completely flip flopping on almost every stance have taken over the past 2 years and you guys on the right, after all of your partisan rants will shut up and be quiet about it until you get voted out of power again and then you will come back out claiming you were against it the whole time just as you have done with W and the republicans in congress will flip flop AGAIN and this never ending cycle of dishonesty and hypocrisy from the right will continue.

 

[drsmith1072]

This President has even announced he's going to allow offshore oil drilling now. How is that any different from what Bush & McCain were proposing all along? Hmm?

Limited off shore drilling offered as a compromise to republicans who will once again scream about no compromise is hardly the same as what W wanted to allow.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

They were once vehemently opposed to the Patriot Act,Bailouts,Stimulus Packages,Lobbyists,Raising Debt Limits,Recess Appointments,Corruption,Nuclear Power,and Offshore oil drilling. So what happened? How can all that be considered "Change?" It really is perplexing.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This President has even announced he's going to allow offshore oil drilling now. How is that any different from what Bush & McCain were proposing all along? Hmm?

Limited off shore drilling offered as a compromise to republicans who will once again scream about no compromise is hardly the same as what W wanted to allow.

Yes offshore oil drilling is good now right? See what i'm saying about that whole "Change" thing? Personally i think this is just another scam. I'm pretty sure he's going to offer up a massive Global Warming Boondoggle any day now. This is most likely another dirty trick. We'll see how many bite on this one.

 

[drsmith1072]

They were once vehemently opposed to the Patriot Act,Bailouts,Stimulus Packages,Lobbyists,Raising Debt Limits,Recess Appointments,Corruption,Nuclear Power,and Offshore oil drilling. So what happened? How can all that be considered "Change?" It really is perplexing.

I believe it's called compromise. You offer the other side something that they want in order to appease them in an attempt to gain their support. The problem is that republicans have an "all or nothing" mentality despite being in the minority.

as for the stimulus how were dems vehemently against something a majority of them voted to pass??

You present generalized statements and no specifics and expect to have a real discussion based on your rants and that's just ridiculous.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

They were once vehemently opposed to the Patriot Act,Bailouts,Stimulus Packages,Lobbyists,Raising Debt Limits,Recess Appointments,Corruption,Nuclear Power,and Offshore oil drilling. So what happened? How can all that be considered "Change?" It really is perplexing.

I believe it's called compromise. You offer the other side something that they want in order to appease them in an attempt to gain their support. The problem is that republicans have an "all or nothing" mentality despite being in the minority.

as for the stimulus how were dems vehemently against something a majority of them voted to pass??

You present generalized statements and no specifics and expect to have a real discussion based on your rants and that's just ridiculous.

Sorry but i remember an awful lot of Democrats screeching their opposition to previous Stimulus Packages and Raising of Debt Limits. Just go down the line yourself and i'm sure you will see that i'm right. There has been no change.

 

[drsmith1072]

This President has even announced he's going to allow offshore oil drilling now. How is that any different from what Bush & McCain were proposing all along? Hmm?

Limited off shore drilling offered as a compromise to republicans who will once again scream about no compromise is hardly the same as what W wanted to allow.

Yes offshore oil drilling is good now right? See what i'm saying about that whole "Change" thing? Personally i think this is just another scam. I'm pretty sure he's going to offer up a massive Global Warming Boondoggle any day now. This is most likely another dirty trick. We'll see how many bite on this one.

Did I say it was good?? NO, I don't like it and never have. I merely explained the situation in the hopes that YOU could understand it. You asked how it was different and I told you how it was different.

 

[uscitizen]

neo's, progs, cons, libs, etc pretty much all the same in one rergard.
ostly sold out to coprorate influence in govt.
Remove the corporate influence and we will have some meaningful change.

 

[drsmith1072]

They were once vehemently opposed to the Patriot Act,Bailouts,Stimulus Packages,Lobbyists,Raising Debt Limits,Recess Appointments,Corruption,Nuclear Power,and Offshore oil drilling. So what happened? How can all that be considered "Change?" It really is perplexing.

I believe it's called compromise. You offer the other side something that they want in order to appease them in an attempt to gain their support. The problem is that republicans have an "all or nothing" mentality despite being in the minority.

as for the stimulus how were dems vehemently against something a majority of them voted to pass??

You present generalized statements and no specifics and expect to have a real discussion based on your rants and that's just ridiculous.

Sorry but i remember an awful lot of Democrats screeching their opposition to previous Stimulus Packages and Raising of Debt Limits. Just go down the line yourself and i'm sure you will see that i'm right. There has been no change.

Really?? WHO? WHEN? Can you give some SPECIFICS?

 

[drsmith1072]

neo's, progs, cons, libs, etc pretty much all the same in one rergard.
ostly sold out to coprorate influence in govt.
Remove the corporate influence and we will have some meaningful change.

It's kind of hard to do that now that the SCOTUS ruled that corporations have the human right to freedom of speech. I wonder what other human rights they now qualify for??

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It is pretty heartbreaking watching the people who screeched opposition to everything the previous administration did,turn around and do all the same exact things as soon as they got power. Remember when they just hated that Offshore Drilling & Raising Debt Limit stuff? My God,go back and watch the pompous and arrogant speeches this President and various Democrats gave in opposition to those things. What a scam.

 

[drsmith1072]

It is pretty heartbreaking watching the people who screeched opposition to everything the previous administration did,turn around and do all the same exact things as soon as they got power. Remember when they just hated that Offshore Drilling & Raising Debt Limit stuff? My God,go back and watch the pompous and arrogant speeches this President and various Democrats gave in opposition to those things. What a scam.

So you have NO specifics and only offer more of your usual vague generalities?? Typical.

Posting a nonresponsive post to bump your thread does nothing to further your argument but it does make you look desperate. LOL

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Oil drilling thing has to be the worst though. You know if a Republican President had announced ending the moratorium on Oil drilling in these areas,the Leftist nutters would be falling all over themselves hopping up on their high horses screeching about those "Evil Oil Companies." Yet not a peep out of these same Leftist nutters so far on this President's announcement. I don't see how you could be more dishonest & hypocritical then the Leftists have become at this point. It's actually very sad.

 

[drsmith1072]

The Oil drilling thing has to be the worst though. You know if a Republican President had announced ending the moratorium on Oil drilling in these areas,the Leftist nutters would be falling all over themselves hopping up on their high horses screeching about those "Evil Oil Companies." Yet not a peep out of these same Leftist nutters so far on this President's announcement. I don't see how you could be more dishonest & hypocritical then the Leftists have become at this point. It's actually very sad.

WOW thanks for PROVING that you have NOTHING valid to offer. However, that does show that you are in fact the same libocalypse from the msnbc messageboards becuase he made a habit out of avoiding debates just like you. LOL

How sad is it that you can't even debate the facts of a thread that YOU started?? LOL

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It is pretty heartbreaking watching the people who screeched opposition to everything the previous administration did,turn around and do all the same exact things as soon as they got power. Remember when they just hated that Offshore Drilling & Raising Debt Limit stuff? My God,go back and watch the pompous and arrogant speeches this President and various Democrats gave in opposition to those things. What a scam.

So you have NO specifics and only offer more of your usual vague generalities?? Typical.

Posting a nonresponsive post to bump your thread does nothing to further your argument but it does make you look desperate. LOL

There are many videos out there showing this President and various Democrats screeching away about their vehement opposition to things like Offshore oil drilling,Raising the Debt Limit,and Recess Appointments. That's just to name a few. Try YouTube. Happy Hunting.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea what did happen to all those Leftist nutters screeching about those "Evil Oil Companies?" Their guy ends a twenty year moratorium on oil drilling in these areas and not a peep out of the "Evil Oil Company" crowd? Seems pretty lame to me.