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Our nation was founded by male Christians. It does not mean we are a male nation any more than it means we are a Christian nation
It merely reflects the times. At that time males were in power and Christians were in power. They would not tollerate otherwise
We are a much better nation today than at our founding
The founders were also the wealthiest landowners in the country and they crafted a document very much in support of their ends which has had profound ramifications to our country ever since.
This, of course, in direct opposition to the first church who's members owned nothing.
The founders were also the wealthiest landowners in the country and they crafted a document very much in support of their ends which has had profound ramifications to our country ever since.
This, of course, in direct opposition to the first church who's members owned nothing.
You don't think Paul was rich? How did he pay lawyers to defend himself? What did Paul do to make a living? He made tents. That is the equivalent of your home builder today.
Who was Lydia? She was a seller of Purple. Purple was afforded by the wealthy.
You made this artificial rule that you can do more by giving your money away than by keeping it and using it for good. These are different times.
I disagree.
I made no such rule.
Peter founded the first church and ALL resources were pooled for the common good.
These are YOUR scriptures.
Embrace them or don't.
It neither breaks my leg nor robs my purse.
Interestingly, you are making the case for cultural relativity and the adaptation of old ideas to a different time.
I agree.
It applies to both religion and founding documents.
The founders were also the wealthiest landowners in the country and they crafted a document very much in support of their ends which has had profound ramifications to our country ever since.
This, of course, in direct opposition to the first church who's members owned nothing.
You don't think Paul was rich? How did he pay lawyers to defend himself? What did Paul do to make a living? He made tents. That is the equivalent of your home builder today.
Who was Lydia? She was a seller of Purple. Purple was afforded by the wealthy.
You made this artificial rule that you can do more by giving your money away than by keeping it and using it for good. These are different times.
I disagree.
I made no such rule.
Peter founded the first church and ALL resources were pooled for the common good.
These are YOUR scriptures.
Embrace them or don't.
It neither breaks my leg nor robs my purse.
Interestingly, you are making the case for cultural relativity and the adaptation of old ideas to a different time.
I agree.
It applies to both religion and founding documents.
You don't think Paul was rich? How did he pay lawyers to defend himself? What did Paul do to make a living? He made tents. That is the equivalent of your home builder today.
Who was Lydia? She was a seller of Purple. Purple was afforded by the wealthy.
You made this artificial rule that you can do more by giving your money away than by keeping it and using it for good. These are different times.
I disagree.
I made no such rule.
Peter founded the first church and ALL resources were pooled for the common good.
These are YOUR scriptures.
Embrace them or don't.
It neither breaks my leg nor robs my purse.
Interestingly, you are making the case for cultural relativity and the adaptation of old ideas to a different time.
I agree.
It applies to both religion and founding documents.
Christ founded the Church, universal. Peter AND Paul founded various churches in smaller, geographical locations. The Catholics claim that Peter found the church of Rome but it was Paul who visited Rome and likely found that particular church. It's not the "only" church.
I made no such rule.
Peter founded the first church and ALL resources were pooled for the common good.
These are YOUR scriptures.
Embrace them or don't.
It neither breaks my leg nor robs my purse.
Interestingly, you are making the case for cultural relativity and the adaptation of old ideas to a different time.
I agree.
It applies to both religion and founding documents.
Christ founded the Church, universal. Peter AND Paul founded various churches in smaller, geographical locations. The Catholics claim that Peter found the church of Rome but it was Paul who visited Rome and likely found that particular church. It's not the "only" church.
Acts emphasizes the Roman first church and Peter's preeminence in it.
Notably you don't argue the economic model that church operated under.
Does that mean that nations founded by Jews aren't Jewish States (Israel) or nations founded by Muslims aren't Muslim States (Syria, Iran, etc.)?
You don't understand the difference between those countries and the US?
I understand the US just fine. Apparently, you don't. The Christian founders wrote into our Constitution ideals that were based on their Christian faith. They taught that God, not man, defines what our God-given rights are.
For anyone who denies that the USA's Constitution and intent of the founders is NOT influenced by Christianity then you need to read this essay: Christianity and the American Constitution
You don't understand the difference between those countries and the US?
I understand the US just fine. Apparently, you don't. The Christian founders wrote into our Constitution ideals that were based on their Christian faith. They taught that God, not man, defines what our God-given rights are.
That's an opinion, nothing more.
The Constitution is secular.
Not according to historical documents. Check out WallBuilders - Historical Documents
[The textbook] by Barton displays a clear devotional tone and contains a number of religious truth-claims that cross the line into promotion of a particular religion. Beyond this, the curriculum presents a problematic historical account of the founding period that falls well outside mainstream scholarly understanding, providing inaccurate, incomplete and biased profiles of various leading figures from that era. Exposing David Barton?s Bad History | TFN Insider
Barton is an amateur historian, interesting but very flawed on the founding of America and the role of Christianity.
Not according to historical documents. Check out WallBuilders - Historical Documents
Pre-emptively rebutted above. Exposing David Barton?s Bad History | TFN Insider
Not according to historical documents. Check out WallBuilders - Historical Documents
Pre-emptively rebutted above. Exposing David Barton?s Bad History | TFN Insider
Of course the secularists will try to demean the man rather than the facts.
Not according to historical documents. Check out WallBuilders - Historical Documents
Pre-emptively rebutted above. Exposing David Barton?s Bad History | TFN Insider
Of course the secularists will try to demean the man rather than the facts.
I came across a couple of Youtube clips not long ago that were truly enlightening (for me at least). Like most products of the Public School (fool?) System I was kept in the dark concerning the USA's Christian roots. If we (young, impressionable students) were told anything we were told that Jefferson and Franklin were deists but not Christians.
I've come to find out that the two least Christian founders were still sympathetic to and allied with the many devout Christians who helped create the great nation of the United States of America and signed her important, founding documents.
Anyway, please watch these very short videos and let everyone know what you think.
Mike Huckabee David Barton Founders of the Constitution 080109.flv - YouTube
U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton.flv - YouTube
When it comes to Franklin, whether he was a Quaker or Puritan, we can agree he was a christian in the general sense of the word.
I think the most radical founding father when it came to thoughts of god and faith was probably Thomas Paine.
I seriously doubt he was an atheist. Are these public school teaching Paine is an atheist? If they are not, who are the public schools accusing is an atheist?
I didn't hear anyone in the videos teach that the public schools are teaching that any founders were atheists (though I might have missed it). I'll watch them again.
I think that the main point is the fact that our Christian roots are either ignored and not taught at all or the fact is under-emphasized. I would have to see a modern text book on American history to see what is being taught today. I graduated from public school in 1975 but I can say that I never once heard my history teachers emphasize America's Christian roots.
In the first video, around 8:32 sec, the guests claims that now the public schools teach that all the founding fathers are atheists and agnostics...
Start around 8:00 and let it play.
There are some other claims that I find a bit curious. For instance, he shows us a document that has written on it "The year of our Lord Christ" and pushes the claim that Jefferson is a Christian because he signed this document. However, Jefferson signs the document, How do we know if it was Jefferson that drafted the document? Wouldn't this piece of evidence indicate that the drafter was christian? I don't think this document can be used to indicate the signatures faith without establishing a connection between the signatures and the draft type.
I just find that curious--did not catch it the first time I watch it.
[The textbook] by Barton displays a clear devotional tone and contains a number of religious truth-claims that cross the line into promotion of a particular religion. Beyond this, the curriculum presents a problematic historical account of the founding period that falls well outside mainstream scholarly understanding, providing inaccurate, incomplete and biased profiles of various leading figures from that era. Exposing David Barton?s Bad History | TFN Insider
Barton is an amateur historian, interesting but very flawed on the founding of America and the role of Christianity.
Most is backed up by documents and personal letters found in the National Archives.
