We’re Finally Seeing the “Evidence” Against the Migrants Deported by Trump. It’s Unbelievable.

Small injustices ordered by people trying to usurp the rule of law for their own political ends invariably lead to bigger ones.
Like Biden “small injustices” in letting border jumpers ahead of honest immigrants playing by the rules led to the bigger injustice of Laken Riley being taped and murdered.
Trump nation doesn’t appear to care about rights, due process, or the rule of law.
He’s finally enforcing immigration law after four years of Biden violating it.
This stunt was an obvious attempt to usurp it for their political gain.
Have any of the people he sent to the Salvadoran prison raped and murdered any kids since?
 
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It gets old, the attacks from the right who accuse we Democrats of 'hating America' because we back Boasberg. 'You support terrorists', they keep shouting. The reply is 'no, we support due process'. Without it, we lose our republic, so it is out of LOVE for America that we back the judge, for all he is interested is that those souls get a fair hearing, so that the innocent aren't sent to some prison where their hope of freedom will be lost, probably in a hellish place for a long long time. Consider this story, which emboldens our case for 'due process'.

So it has happened that the Trump administration, that erstwhile bastion of misrule, embarked on a ruthless campaign to uproot hundreds of Venezuelan migrants scattered across this vast land. They did so with the stealth of a jackal, executing deportations without notice or the dignity of due process. These unfortunate souls were dispatched to the unforgiving confines of a prison in El Salvador--a fate as ironic as it is tragic. Now, the curtain is finally lifting on the evidence marshaled against these exiles, and it is nothing short of preposterous.

Take, for instance, the case of Jerce Reyes Barrios, a professional soccer player--yes, a player who fled the suffocating grip of dictator Nicolás Maduro in search of freedom, only to find himself ensnared by the very apparatus designed to protect him. Barrios had settled in the United States, eagerly awaiting an asylum hearing when ICE agents descended upon him like vultures. The accusation? That he was a member of the Tren de Aragua gang, a claim rooted not in hard evidence but in the flimsy fabric of xenophobic hysteria.

What, pray tell, constituted the evidence against Barrios? Two items, both laughable in their absurdity. First, a tattoo on his arm--an innocuous crown perched atop a soccer ball, allegedly emblematic of gang affiliation. The truth, as his attorney Linette Tobin clarifies, is that this tattoo is a tribute to the Real Madrid soccer team, a fact as lost on the powers that be as a whisper in a tempest. Secondly, there exists a photograph in which Barrios is gesturing with both hands--a gesture misconstrued by the ever-suspicious agents as a sign of gang allegiance. Yet, in the world of American Sign Language, this very gesture signifies “I love you,” or is often embraced as a symbol of rock 'n' roll.

Such grotesque misinterpretations seem to be a recurrent theme among those caught in this legislative nightmare. Consider another migrant, referred to as E.V., whose tattoos depict anime, flowers, and animals, yet were grotesquely rebranded as indicators of gang ties. According to his attorney, the crown adorning his skin is not a badge of criminality but a heartfelt homage to his late grandmother.

The Kafkaesque nature of this ordeal escalates as we delve into the tales of others similarly victimized. One, known as J.A.B.V., bore tattoos of a rose, a clock, and his son’s name--all benign symbols that ICE agents twisted into evidence of criminal affiliation. Despite having lived without a criminal record, he was nevertheless shipped away on the flimsiest of charges. L.G. endured a similar fate, his tattoos--one a rosary, another his partner’s name--branded as marks of gang loyalty. The absurdity reaches new heights with Anyelo Jose Sarabia, who was accused based on a tattoo of a Bible verse and a rose adorned with petals of money.

One cannot help but feel a twinge of irony: many of these individuals sought refuge from Tren de Aragua, only to be demonized as members of that very gang. A particularly poignant case involves an unnamed migrant who had applied for asylum, fleeing from the very harm he now faces, yet was unceremoniously deported while living in a New York homeless shelter with his family.

The administration seems to operate under a perverse presumption that any Venezuelan migrant bearing tattoos must be, by default, a member of Tren de Aragua, guilty until proven innocent--a condition that becomes impossible in the absence of due process. Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, under the ludicrous belief it permits the expulsion of noncitizens without judicial oversight, exposes a shocking disdain for constitutional principles. The Department of Justice, ever the willing accomplice, hastens to bypass the courts, claiming that Trump’s decisions exist in a realm beyond judicial scrutiny.

This is not the first time such absurdity has reared its head. During Trump’s initial tenure, ICE made a habit of accusing noncitizens of gang membership based on little more than inked skin. A federal judge once accused ICE agents of perjury regarding the tattoos of a DACA recipient, ultimately liberating him from unlawful detention. The lesson learned, it seems, is that when afforded the privilege of due process, these victims can challenge the flimsy fabrications that the government spins around them. In response, the authorities have concocted new legal theories, intent on preventing judicial review of their actions.

The question remains: did ICE specifically target these men based on their tattoos, or were they rounded up first, with excuses fabricated later? These details warrant scrutiny, and soon the victims’ lawyers will be entitled to interrogate the architects of this dystopian scheme. What is essential now is that judges have the opportunity to sift through the so-called evidence, allowing the scales of justice to balance before this grotesque theater evolves into a full-scale assault on the constitutional rights of all immigrants.

As we observe this unfolding drama, one cannot help but wonder where the limits of absurdity lie in this creeping authoritarianism. In the grand tapestry of American governance, this chapter stands as a cautionary tale of a nation grappling with its conscience amid a cacophony of injustice. The time has come to demand accountability, lest we descend further into a quagmire of Trumpian madness and, yes, I'll say it, it needs to be said, it needs to be shouted on rooftops across America, TYRANNY.

I've been shouting a simple message since I joined this forum short while ago, it's called 'due process'. Some said the 'gang members' got DP, but, alas, I wouldn't trust ICE nor Trump to uphold 'due process', when Trump as literally defecated all over it, for some time, now.

As the delegates finalized the U.S. Constitution, Franklin, who was 81 years old at the time, exited the hall. According to historical accounts, a woman--often identified as Elizabeth Willing Powel, a well-known Philadelphia socialite and wife of Samuel Powel--approached Franklin and asked:

"Well, Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?"

Franklin responded: "A republic, if you can keep it."

IF WE CAN KEEP IT.

I'd like to know who on this forum understands that, without upholding the core principle of due process, we won't 'keep it', it will be lost, we will become a republic of the banana variety? Please stand up a

Oh, I suppose I could holler 'I told you so', as, it seems, my chicken little predictions are coming to pass, and, are neither chicken, nor little. So......

What will keep our republic--our democracy--from falling apart? Pray for the following:
  1. A balance of power among co-equal branches of government.
    We've lost Congress--too many members have donned kneepads for Trump--leaving us to rely almost entirely on the judiciary to hold the line.
  2. A vigorous, independent press.
    The free press is not the enemy of the people--it’s the watchdog that keeps power in check and truth in circulation. It's the one institution that stands between tyranny and you, the citizen, it's the first amendment, and it's the first for a reason, where the second is important, but nothing protects us from tyranny more than a vigorous & free press. Note that I didn't say 'honest' or 'unbiased' because of the three, 'honest, 'bias', and 'vigorous' only the latter is not subject (as much) to interpretation.
  3. A military that honors its oath.
    When they swear to defend the Constitution, it’s not just words. It’s a commitment to the rule of law, not to any one man or party.
  4. A judiciary that defends the Constitution and the law.
    Judges who stand firm, even under pressure from a hostile executive branch, are the last bulwark of democracy. They must be willing to sacrifice popularity, power, or position in defense of constitutional principle.
  5. We, the people.
    A republic doesn’t sustain itself. It lives or dies by the engagement, courage, and conscience of its citizens. If we stay silent while democracy is dismantled, we become accomplices. But if we vote, speak out, protest, organize, and refuse to surrender truth to propaganda--we become the immune system of the republic. No constitution, no court, no press can save democracy if the people don’t care to.
We’re Finally Seeing the “Evidence” Against the Migrants Deported by Trump. It’s Unbelievable.


After the Trump administration rounded up hundreds of Venezuelan migrants around the country—without notice or court hearings—and sent them off to a prison in El Salvador, we’re finally getting details on who was deported and why. And the more we learn, the more obvious it becomes why the government is so eager to expel these individuals without any semblance of due process. It claims that these men are terrorists by virtue of their alleged membership in the Tren de Aragua gang—but evidence of this affiliation is weak to the point of nonexistence.

Consider Jerce Reyes Barrios, one victim of the deportations: a professional soccer player who had fled Venezuela after protesting against dictator Nicolás Maduro and was living peacefully in the U.S. until the government snatched him up and deported him to El Salvador. Linette Tobin, Barrios’ attorney, submitted a declaration in federal court that detailed the disturbing reasons why her client was targeted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. After entering the U.S. last year, Barrios was scheduled to have an asylum hearing in April. But on Saturday, he was arrested and held at a San Diego detention facility after ICE agents accused him of being a member of Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang that President Donald Trump has been fixated on to fulfill his mass-deportation plan.
This week’s “verbose original post” may be securely in DumpHole’s hands. And it’s only Monday.
 
The danger of sentencing these cartel gangsters to prison in the US is that they recruit from among the prisoners. They take low level pilferers and turn them into cartel hitmen.
In that respect that El Salvador in prison is far more humane than ours. Obviously, they are keeping those prisoners under control. I doubt they’re going to be running drugs in the prison pimping each other out or murdering guards.
 
In that respect that El Salvador in prison is far more humane than ours. Obviously, they are keeping those prisoners under control. I doubt they’re going to be running drugs in the prison pimping each other out or murdering guards.
Trump/MAGA is fascist.
 
Due process refers to a fundamental principle in law that guarantees fair treatment through the judicial system. It ensures that individuals are given proper notice, an opportunity to be heard, and an impartial decision-maker before being deprived of life, liberty, or property. In the United States, due process is protected under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution, serving as a safeguard against arbitrary actions by the government.

Does that help clarify things for you?
that's why Venezuelan gangs came here in the first place was to escape due process
When DHS wants the prison records of these deportees, you think Venezuela is going to give em anything that would bring em back to venezuela.
 
that's why Venezuelan gangs came here in the first place was to escape due process
When DHS wants the prison records of these deportees, you think Venezuela is going to give em anything that would bring em back to venezuela.
Trump/MAGA is fascist.
 
Had Mayorkas been accidentally transferred to El Salvador, well...
 
You have been absorbed into the most tightly controlled echo chamber ever constructed.

Kudos to the construction crew.

If you're going to make that projection, than you should have no trouble backing up your claims.
 
When are you going to stop lying, stop being retarded, and stay out of our business Canada you 2nd rate loser country.

So once again, you have nothing but cheap insults, and calling me a liar. The whole world is laughing at you when your cheap ConMan president

If Canada is such a second right loser country why is Trump desperately trying to take us over?

You elected a convicted felon, rapist, and fraud artist who went bankrupt seven times, and you think you’ll be good for the economy.
 
Similar doesn't mean equal. They're two different things. What Trump is doing is in its own league, and a far bigger threat.

But I definitely think that the Left's overuse of PC & Identity Politics played a role in the rise of Trumpism in the first place.

It wasn’t the left overuse of politically correct or identity politics. The only people harping on politically correct and identity. Politics were Republicans and right wingers. They would not let it go.

How many transgender ads did the Trump campaign run? How many anti-immigrant ads. Any time Republicans could cast another demographic as “other” and a danger to American culture and traditions, they did it.
 
Trump/MAGA is fascist.

In case it wasn't already very obvious, these right wing posts never discuss any details. There isn't a single fact on this thread relevant to the title.

But there is a lot of out and out bigotry.
 
that's why Venezuelan gangs came here in the first place was to escape due process
When DHS wants the prison records of these deportees, you think Venezuela is going to give em anything that would bring em back to venezuela.
We, by our Constitution, are required to do so.

What Venezuela does is not something we can fix.
 
So the proof is that he was making gang signs and has the gang symbol tatted on his body....seems pretty cut and dry that he's in the gang. If not, well you shouldn't be doing silly things like getting the gang tat and making gang signs.
So you want to send someone to rot in an El Salvador prison for 'silly things'? Are you out of your fucking mind?

“Seems pretty cut and dry,” you declares, as if jurisprudence is a game of charades and not a matter of law, context, and due process.

Let’s dissect this fine specimen of lazy thinking. The assertion is that making gang signs and having a tattoo is “proof”--not evidence, mind you, but proof--of gang membership. That’s the legal standard now? You saw a gesture and a tattoo, so we can skip the investigation and go straight to branding a person as a criminal enterprise? That’s not law--that’s the intellectual equivalent of trial by ducking stool.

Here’s a novel idea: maybe someone flashed a sign because they grew up in a neighborhood where that’s culture, not allegiance. Maybe the tattoo is a relic of youth, regret, or even just bad judgment--not a signed affidavit of criminal conspiracy. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly warned against guilt by association. Dawson v. Delaware (1992) comes to mind, where the Court ruled that mere membership in a group cannot be used to prove bad character unless it's directly relevant to the crime.

But of course, nuance is inconvenient when you’re in a hurry to climb atop your soapbox and hand out verdicts like candy. And that final moral flourish--“you shouldn’t be doing silly things like getting the gang tat”--is rich. Thank you, Judge Judy of Reddit. Tell that to the 16-year-old who got it under duress, or the 25-year-old trying to leave that life behind. The world is messier than your tidy, finger-wagging proclamations.

So no, it isn’t “cut and dry.” It’s lazy, presumptive, and oblivious to the burden of proof. If our justice system were run by people who think like this, we’d all be one hoodie and a hand gesture away from solitary.
 
we have due process....the act allowing the deportation of aliens we are at war with, is perfectly constitutional. If the gang wants to challege being on the terrorist list, they can challenge it as well.
Struth again--playing constitutional scholar with a deck of flashcards and a bumper sticker understanding of due process. Let’s walk through this slowly, since nuance seems to keep slipping through your grip like a wet bar of soap.

“We have due process,” you say, as though just invoking the phrase is a magic spell that makes any state action righteous. But due process isn’t a decorative flourish--it’s the bedrock requirement that government action be fair, transparent, and grounded in evidence, not assumption, stereotype, or executive fiat. You can’t just slap “we have due process” on a boot and use it to kick people across a border.

You then pivot to, “The act allowing the deportation of aliens we are at war with is perfectly constitutional.” Really? You’re dusting off the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as your golden idol? The same act used to intern Japanese-Americans in World War II? That relic? Yes, it's still on the books, but deploying it in modern domestic gang cases is like using a cannon to swat a mosquito--and completely misrepresents the actual state of war powers and immigration law.

And finally, this gem: “If the gang wants to challenge being on the terrorist list, they can challenge it.” As if gangs are monolithic entities with a legal team on retainer. As if being labeled a "terrorist" organization doesn’t have enormous consequences that are often applied unilaterally, without trial, and with sweeping collateral damage to anyone remotely associated. That's not due process--that's guilt by proximity.

Let’s be clear: the Constitution doesn’t say “close enough.” You don’t get to trample people’s rights and then shrug, “They can sort it out later in court,” while they sit in a detention cell or get dumped in a country they haven’t seen since childhood.

Your argument isn’t constitutional. It’s authoritarian cosplay--spray-painted with just enough legalese to convince yourself you’re standing on principle when really you’re just standing on someone else’s neck.
 
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