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[Old Rocks]

McCarthy was a drunken demigogue, and should have died much sooner for the good of the nation.

However much the rightwingnuts try to rewrite history, the vast majority of Americans realize the debt we owe to FDR for his work in alleviating the misery of the First Great Republican Depression.

 

[PixieStix]

I was lucky. I went to a private school and learned history from a non partisan historian and what I learned, in general is that too much government control is a very bad thing, the worst thing.

Example; Adolf Hitler had too much government control.

No one can disagree with that.

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[OohPooPahDoo]

I was lucky. I went to a private school and learned history from a non partisan historian and what I learned, in general is that too much government control is a very bad thing, the worst thing.

Example; Adolf Hitler had too much government control.

No one can disagree with that.

.

Hitler deregulated guns.

 

[BlindBoo]

Awwwwww, Frankie has an uncle Adolf........

While the New Deal didn't save the economy like the war did, it certainly eased the suffering throughout the country. Remember the crash started in Oct 1929. FDR didn't take office till 1933.

Joe Mc.

The trials, which were well publicized, could often destroy a career with a single unsubstantiated accusation. Among those well-known artists accused of communist sympathies or called before the committee were Dashiell Hammett, Waldo Salt, Lillian Hellman, Lena Horne, Paul Robeson, Elia Kazan, Arthur Miller, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Charlie Chaplin and Group Theatre members Clifford Odets, Elia Kazan, and Stella Adler. In all, three hundred and twenty artists were blacklisted, and for many of them this meant the end of exceptional and promising careers.

During this time there were few in the press willing to stand up against McCarthy and the anti-Communist machine. Among those few were comedian Mort Sahl, and journalist Edward R. Murrow, whose strong criticisms of McCarthy are often cited as playing an important role in his eventual removal from power.

Arthur Miller - McCarthyism | American Masters | PBS

Comparing either party to the fascist nazi is just lazy, might as well call Watergate a simple botched burglary.

See how completely brainwashed they become?

FDR meant well while crushing the life out of US industry, so yeah he's OK

McCarthy had NOTHING to do with the HUAC.

NOTHING!!

He was a Senator. He had NOTHING to do with the Committee that started years before he even made his first speech

And moreover, he was totally correct that genuine Communist spies were active in the White House and State Department

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

Joseph McCarthy as a Senator did not participate in a House Committee. He headed the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in 1953 and 1954, and during that time used it for a number of his Communist-hunting investigations.

To be sure, intercepts of secret Soviet communications that were part of the VENONA program eventually revealed that Soviet espionage operatives in the government numbered in the hundreds—far more than was thought in the 1950s. In that sense, McCarthy was right, but so were dozens of other anti-Communists of the time like FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

The problem was that the people McCarthy tarnished as Communists or Communist sympathizers were not the real spies. Often, the information McCarthy used came from FBI files, which were full of rumor and third-hand accounts.

Several months before he died, I interviewed Robert J. Lamphere who participated in all the FBI’s major spy cases during the McCarthy period.

“McCarthyism did all kinds of harm because he was pushing something that wasn’t so,” Lamphere told me. The VENONA intercepts showed that over several decades, “There were a lot of spies in the government, but not all in the State Department,” Lamphere said. However, “The problem was that McCarthy lied about his information and figures. He made charges against people that weren’t true. McCarthyism harmed the counterintelligence effort against the Soviet threat because of the revulsion it caused."

The Real Story on Joe McCarthy

 

[mudwhistle]

Apparently Frank is over 100 years old and has an intimate knowledge of this subject.

Or even more likely he's a brain dead hack who enjoys the conservative's favorite past time of re-writing history.

Hey Balls, better get rid of those guns in your avi......or Obama will send the ATF after you.

 

[daveman]

I was lucky. I went to a private school and learned history from a non partisan historian and what I learned, in general is that too much government control is a very bad thing, the worst thing.

Example; Adolf Hitler had too much government control.

No one can disagree with that.

.

Hitler deregulated guns.

Not for those he intended to exterminate, he didn't.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

Apparently Frank is over 100 years old and has an intimate knowledge of this subject.

Or even more likely he's a brain dead hack who enjoys the conservative's favorite past time of re-writing history.

Hey Balls, better get rid of those guns in your avi......or Obama will send the ATF after you.

Time to get back on that anti-psychotic medication there whistle.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Communism - McCarthy Was Right - rense.com

rense.com/politics6/mc.htm

Communism - McCarthy Was Right ... WASHINGTON-- Although Joseph McCarthy was one of the most demonized American politicians of the last century, new ...

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Alger Hiss, Soviet Agent – Opens Pandora’s Box
Alger Hiss 1904 – 1996

from pp. 31-32:

Alger Hiss is a name which should live in infamy immediately following those of Judas Iscariot and Benedict In fact, Hiss pretty much should take second place behind Iscariot. Since then, we can add the names of Hansen, Pollard and a few others who also betrayed this country in the 20th Century.

Yet the conspiracy against mankind which Hiss represented has been allowed to exert itself for half a century to muddy the record in its effort to obscure Hiss’s guilt in betraying, not just his own country, but others as well, to the cause of world socialism . Liberals are still pretending it is not an historical fact, while the latest gimmick is to make unsupported charges the FBI phonied up the record. And what individual lacking knowledge of the case can refute this blanket charge?

One writer of that era said, “Those among us who like to maintain the fiction of Hiss ’s innocence can do so only by ignoring the overwhelming evidence and testimony of others who were in the same cell (Communist ) with him. They focus on the self-confessed lies of Whittaker Chambers as if having lied once, he was a professional liar – ignoring the lies of Hiss. They find it difficult to reconcile the persona with whom they were acquainted with the secret persona of the Soviet spy. Chambers bared his soul in his book, Witness, about these years and those he knew and mentions that "From 1946 through1948, special agents of the F.B.I., too, were frequent visitors. Usually, they were seeking information about specific individuals.....Most of these investigators went about their work in a kind of dogged frustration, overwhelmed by the vastness of the conspiracy, which they could see all around them, and depressed by the apathy of the country and the almost total absence in high places of any desire to root out communism...The apathy, I concluded, lay elsewhere......)

Read more:
Alger Hiss life

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Name: Whittaker Chambers
Bith Date: April 1, 1901
Death Date: July 9, 1961
Place of Birth: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States

In 1932 Communist Party officials ordered Chambers to leave his position and to join the party's underground branch. For the next six years Chambers was a courier in the party's spy network. Chambers carried messages and stolen documents from American Communists and gave them to his Soviet superiors for them to transmit to Moscow. In April 1938 Chambers defected from the Communist underground and went into hiding with his wife and two children. A year later he found work as a writer for TIME magazine. Chambers was a senior editor at TIME in 1948 when he disclosed his secret past to a shocked American public. In August 1948 Chambers told congressmen at hearings of the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC) that in the 1930s he had helped to organize a small group of Communist Party members to infiltrate the federal government in Washington, D.C.

Chambers's testimony centered on a young government lawyer named Alger Hiss. A Harvard Law School graduate and former secretary to Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Hiss was a junior State Department official in the 1930s. But by 1945 Hiss had become a principal adviser to the secretary of state, and he played an important role in the organization of the United Nations. In 1948 Hiss was president of the prestigious Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.


Read more:
Whittaker Chambers - Biography

 

[BlindBoo]

As chief of Justice Department spy prosecutions for nearly 25 years, John L. Martin prosecuted 76 spies, including CIA officers Aldrich Ames and Harold J. Nicholson, Navy warrant officer John A. Walker Jr., and Israeli spy Jonathan Jay Pollard.

With his unlimited clearances, Martin read many of the FBI’s most secret raw files on historic espionage cases, including the files on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Judith Coplon, Alger Hiss, and Rudolph Abel. No one knows as much about catching spies and the legal ramifications that go with it than Martin.

“While VENONA later confirmed and expanded upon what the FBI knew about Soviet operations in the U.S., McCarthy was acting on suspicions and myths rather than adequate investigations,” Martin tells me.

McCarthy used “the umbrella of national security to justify his outrageous practice of besmirching reputations of loyal Americans,” Martin adds.

Efforts to vindicate McCarthy by people who have never caught a spy ignore the fact that rather than helping the cause of dealing with the spy threat, he harmed it.

By sanctioning McCarthy’s intimidating tactics and dishonest charges against innocent Americans, revisionists dangerously invite history to be repeated, imperiling all of us.


The Real Story on Joe McCarthy

 

[bripat9643]

Well, thanks for citing PBS as an unbiased historical reference. Most of the people you mentioned were communist sympathizers at a time when the Soviet Union was bent on world domination through military (nuclear) intimidation. Why didn't you mention the persecution of the poor Rosenbergs by Tricky Dick? Oh, I forgot: They were later confirmed by KGB files to be Soviet spies.

320 artist were blacklisted and many were not sympathizers as has been proven. Why were the hearings shut down again?

Really? Name one who wasn't a sympathizer.

 

[bripat9643]

McCarthy was a drunken demigogue, and should have died much sooner for the good of the nation.

Same only baseless personal attacks on Mccarthy. McCarthy was a hero who the Communists successfully managed to demonize.

However much the rightwingnuts try to rewrite history, the vast majority of Americans realize the debt we owe to FDR for his work in alleviating the misery of the First Great Republican Depression.

ROFL!

 

[jillian]

If you're like me you were subject to the disinformation campaign known as public school. We learned that: the New Deal saved the economy, Joe McCarthy's House unamerican activities committee blacklisted Hollywood actors and Hitler was a right winger

Well the New Deal terrified businessman and was totally responsible for an economy worse that the 7 Biblical lean years, McCarthy was right that Communist spies were subverting US policy and finally the Left has warmly welcome back socialist and gun control advocate Adolf Hitler as their long lost elder brother

rule of thumb, frank. if an o/p likens the president to hitler... it should be in the flame zone.

thanks.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

McCarthy was a drunken demigogue, and should have died much sooner for the good of the nation.

However much the rightwingnuts try to rewrite history, the vast majority of Americans realize the debt we owe to FDR for his work in alleviating the misery of the First Great Republican Depression.

Not surprisingly you handle politics and history like Environmental "Sciences" that is, you're completly ignorant and just parrot back talking points. To wit: Joe McCarthy named people working at the White House and State Department who have since been confirmed as genuine Communist spies. And so far, neither you nor Jake nor any other dimwit has provided the name of a single individual ruined by Joseph McCarthy.

Your analysis of FDR is as wrong as your thought on McCarthy. FDR lead an economy worse that the 7 Biblical Lean years. Unemployment averaged 20% from his inauguration in 1933 until Hitler conquered France in 1940. How does 7 years of 20% unemployment alleviate misery?

Please keep posting as I enjoy exposing you for the stupid rube you are

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you're like me you were subject to the disinformation campaign known as public school. We learned that: the New Deal saved the economy, Joe McCarthy's House unamerican activities committee blacklisted Hollywood actors and Hitler was a right winger

Well the New Deal terrified businessman and was totally responsible for an economy worse that the 7 Biblical lean years, McCarthy was right that Communist spies were subverting US policy and finally the Left has warmly welcome back socialist and gun control advocate Adolf Hitler as their long lost elder brother

rule of thumb, frank. if an o/p likens the president to hitler... it should be in the flame zone.

thanks.

Mao or Stalin work as well, but the Left has taken Socialist and gun control advocate Uncle Adolf back into their welcoming arms

 

[CrusaderFrank]

As chief of Justice Department spy prosecutions for nearly 25 years, John L. Martin prosecuted 76 spies, including CIA officers Aldrich Ames and Harold J. Nicholson, Navy warrant officer John A. Walker Jr., and Israeli spy Jonathan Jay Pollard.

With his unlimited clearances, Martin read many of the FBI’s most secret raw files on historic espionage cases, including the files on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Judith Coplon, Alger Hiss, and Rudolph Abel. No one knows as much about catching spies and the legal ramifications that go with it than Martin.

“While VENONA later confirmed and expanded upon what the FBI knew about Soviet operations in the U.S., McCarthy was acting on suspicions and myths rather than adequate investigations,” Martin tells me.

McCarthy used “the umbrella of national security to justify his outrageous practice of besmirching reputations of loyal Americans,” Martin adds.

Efforts to vindicate McCarthy by people who have never caught a spy ignore the fact that rather than helping the cause of dealing with the spy threat, he harmed it.

By sanctioning McCarthy’s intimidating tactics and dishonest charges against innocent Americans, revisionists dangerously invite history to be repeated, imperiling all of us.

The Real Story on Joe McCarthy

Letting Soviets spies act with impunity was helpful?

The FBI handed Joe McCarthy the intel on real spies in the government because they were sick of having FDR and Truman cover for them.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

If you're like me you were subject to the disinformation campaign known as public school. We learned that: the New Deal saved the economy, Joe McCarthy's House unamerican activities committee blacklisted Hollywood actors and Hitler was a right winger

Well the New Deal terrified businessman and was totally responsible for an economy worse that the 7 Biblical lean years, McCarthy was right that Communist spies were subverting US policy and finally the Left has warmly welcome back socialist and gun control advocate Adolf Hitler as their long lost elder brother

rule of thumb, frank. if an o/p likens the president to hitler... it should be in the flame zone.

thanks.

Mao or Stalin work as well, but the Left has taken Socialist and gun control advocate Uncle Adolf back into their welcoming arms

Reading Frank's posts like this one almost makes me wish I was bat shit crazy like him. It looks like it's really fun to be a nutter casting blame on things that frighten me, making up history as I go and never taking any semblance of responsibility. I think I'm going to just start acting like one of these ******* loons because it looks super fun.

John F. Kennedy got in a time machine and had homosexual sex with Attilla the Hun in a liberal plot to subvert our water supply! Prove me wrong you motherfucking libertards!

 

[bripat9643]

Reading Frank's posts like this one almost makes me wish I was bat shit crazy like him. It looks like it's really fun to be a nutter casting blame on things that frighten me, making up history as I go and never taking any semblance of responsibility. I think I'm going to just start acting like one of these ******* loons because it looks super fun.

John F. Kennedy got in a time machine and had homosexual sex with Attilla the Hun in a liberal plot to subvert our water supply! Prove me wrong you motherfucking libertards!

Fascist bootlickers like you frighten me.

 

[Cassandro]

Awwwwww, Frankie has an uncle Adolf........

While the New Deal didn't save the economy like the war did, it certainly eased the suffering throughout the country. Remember the crash started in Oct 1929. FDR didn't take office till 1933.

Joe Mc.

The trials, which were well publicized, could often destroy a career with a single unsubstantiated accusation. Among those well-known artists accused of communist sympathies or called before the committee were Dashiell Hammett, Waldo Salt, Lillian Hellman, Lena Horne, Paul Robeson, Elia Kazan, Arthur Miller, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Charlie Chaplin and Group Theatre members Clifford Odets, Elia Kazan, and Stella Adler. In all, three hundred and twenty artists were blacklisted, and for many of them this meant the end of exceptional and promising careers.

During this time there were few in the press willing to stand up against McCarthy and the anti-Communist machine. Among those few were comedian Mort Sahl, and journalist Edward R. Murrow, whose strong criticisms of McCarthy are often cited as playing an important role in his eventual removal from power.

Arthur Miller - McCarthyism | American Masters | PBS

Comparing either party to the fascist nazi is just lazy, might as well call Watergate a simple botched burglary.

See how completely brainwashed they become?

FDR meant well while crushing the life out of US industry, so yeah he's OK

McCarthy had NOTHING to do with the HUAC.

NOTHING!!

He was a Senator. He had NOTHING to do with the Committee that started years before he even made his first speech

And moreover, he was totally correct that genuine Communist spies were active in the White House and State Department

http://www.usmessageboard.com/revie...-of-senator-joe-mccarthy-m-stanton-evans.html

Joseph McCarthy as a Senator did not participate in a House Committee. He headed the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in 1953 and 1954, and during that time used it for a number of his Communist-hunting investigations.

To be sure, intercepts of secret Soviet communications that were part of the VENONA program eventually revealed that Soviet espionage operatives in the government numbered in the hundreds—far more than was thought in the 1950s. In that sense, McCarthy was right, but so were dozens of other anti-Communists of the time like FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

The problem was that the people McCarthy tarnished as Communists or Communist sympathizers were not the real spies. Often, the information McCarthy used came from FBI files, which were full of rumor and third-hand accounts.

Several months before he died, I interviewed Robert J. Lamphere who participated in all the FBI’s major spy cases during the McCarthy period.

“McCarthyism did all kinds of harm because he was pushing something that wasn’t so,” Lamphere told me. The VENONA intercepts showed that over several decades, “There were a lot of spies in the government, but not all in the State Department,” Lamphere said. However, “The problem was that McCarthy lied about his information and figures. He made charges against people that weren’t true. McCarthyism harmed the counterintelligence effort against the Soviet threat because of the revulsion it caused."

The Real Story on Joe McCarthy[/QUOTE

You have unwittingly demonstrated the inverse logic of the Left: They are not to blame for their lackadaisical attitude toward Communist infiltration, it was McCarthy's fault for making them feel revolted! This would have been good material for Laugh In ("the devil made me do it") if it wasn't so true.

 

[Vast LWC]

Hey Frank,

How're those non-existent unconstitutional executive orders coming along?

You know, the ones Obama was going to issue that took away all our guns?


Do you people ever get tired of being wrong?