Weep for Alexandria

[Old Rocks]

Not at all. They were Christian in name only, and were just acting as tools for the power hungry Bishop. Nobody that understands Christ's teachings would have done the things they did. They were no more Christian than so many that claim the mantle of Christianity today, but hate all there neighbors.

 

[westwall]

415 AD, a woman in Alexandria was pulled from her carriage, had her clothes pulled off her, and then skinned alive. Her body was dismembered, and parts cast into the desert. Her crime? She was a witch, and invented or improved on instruments of divination. That woman was Hypaptia, and the instrument of divination was an astrolabe. The mob were early Christians.

They then sacked and destroyed the greatest single accumulation of knowledge in the world at that time, the Library of Alexandria. They did this in the name of God. Very few of them could read, and regarded those that could, and that accumulated knowledge with distrust and fear. A Bishop that understood their psyche used that to destroy those who he felt threatened his power. A Bishop with no morals or ethics, only a thirst for power and willing to do whatever it took to get power. Even if it destroyed the wealth of that great city.

Today in this nation, we are seeing a very similar situation, a man that has risen to power, and has contempt of knowledge, and those that work to acquire that knowledge. And he has a cadre of followers that are proud of their ignorance, and despise those that work harder and smarter. They are willing to use violence and to pervert the law to destroy those that are wise.

Will our descendants one day weep for the United States?

Buuuut it was YOUR people who have been engaging in the violence there silly boy. Best counsel those who are actually DOING the crime, and not those who are the targets of those crimes..

As far as the destruction of the Library, the truth is no one knows who did it, but your assertion that it was those darned christians has little actual support. The best suspect is Julius Caesar. But, he was a pagan so doesn't conform to your hatred of all thing christian. And thus you resort to falsehood and lies. Typical ignorant progressive.

"The prime suspect in destruction of the Library of Alexandria is Julius Caesar. It is alleged that during Caesar's occupation of the city of Alexandria in 48 BCE, he found himself in the Royal Palace, hemmed in by the Egyptian fleet in the harbour. For his own safety he had his men set fire to the Egyptian ships, but the fire got out of control and spread to the parts of the city nearest the shore, which included warehouses, depots and some arsenals.

AFTER JULIUS CAESAR'S DEATH IT WAS GENERALLY BELIEVED THAT IT WAS HE WHO HAD DESTROYED THE LIBRARY.
After Caesar's death it was generally believed that it was he who had destroyed the Library. Roman philosopher and dramatist Seneca, quoting from Livy's History of Rome, written between 63 BCE and 14 CE, says that 40,000 scrolls were destroyed in the fire started by Caesar. Greek historian Plutarch (died 120 CE) mentions that the fire destroyed 'the great Library' and Roman historian Dio Cassius (c. 165 – 235 CE) mentions a warehouse of manuscripts being destroyed during the conflagration."

Here is your tenuous link to christians doing it....But it is generally believed that the library ws long gone by that time. But, that doesn't allow you to blame those damned christians!

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."


And finally, they wish to blame the Muslims, but, yet again, the library was long gone by then....



"The last suggested perpetrator of the crime is the Caliph Omar. In 640 CE the Arabs under General Amrou ibn el-Ass, captured Alexandria after a long siege. According to the story, the conquering Arabs heard about a magnificent library containing all the knowledge of the world and were anxious to see it. But the Caliph, unmoved by this vast collection of learning, apparently stated 'they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous."

What happened to the Great Library at Alexandria?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

415 AD, a woman in Alexandria was pulled from her carriage, had her clothes pulled off her, and then skinned alive. Her body was dismembered, and parts cast into the desert. Her crime? She was a witch, and invented or improved on instruments of divination. That woman was Hypaptia, and the instrument of divination was an astrolabe. The mob were early Christians.

They then sacked and destroyed the greatest single accumulation of knowledge in the world at that time, the Library of Alexandria. They did this in the name of God. Very few of them could read, and regarded those that could, and that accumulated knowledge with distrust and fear. A Bishop that understood their psyche used that to destroy those who he felt threatened his power. A Bishop with no morals or ethics, only a thirst for power and willing to do whatever it took to get power. Even if it destroyed the wealth of that great city.

People sure knew how to party back then.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Honestly what sort of "knowledge" found in those scrolls would be of any use in the modern world? How to fix a broken axel on your cart? Get More Work From Your Slaves

 

[CrusaderFrank]

415 AD, a woman in Alexandria was pulled from her carriage, had her clothes pulled off her, and then skinned alive. Her body was dismembered, and parts cast into the desert. Her crime? She was a witch, and invented or improved on instruments of divination. That woman was Hypaptia, and the instrument of divination was an astrolabe. The mob were early Christians.

They then sacked and destroyed the greatest single accumulation of knowledge in the world at that time, the Library of Alexandria. They did this in the name of God. Very few of them could read, and regarded those that could, and that accumulated knowledge with distrust and fear. A Bishop that understood their psyche used that to destroy those who he felt threatened his power. A Bishop with no morals or ethics, only a thirst for power and willing to do whatever it took to get power. Even if it destroyed the wealth of that great city.

Today in this nation, we are seeing a very similar situation, a man that has risen to power, and has contempt of knowledge, and those that work to acquire that knowledge. And he has a cadre of followers that are proud of their ignorance, and despise those that work harder and smarter. They are willing to use violence and to pervert the law to destroy those that are wise.

Will our descendants one day weep for the United States?

Michael Mann should have said that rabid Christians destroyed his hockey schtick data

 

[Disir]

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

 

[aris2chat]

Myths vs history

>>
Theophilus
Again, the legendary story first:

Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, is also the patron saint of arsonists. As Christianity slowly strangled the life out of classical culture in the fourth century it became more and more difficult to be a pagan. There stood in Alexandria the great temple of Serapis called the Serapeum and attached to it was the Great Library of Alexandria where all the wisdom of the ancients was preserved. Now Theophilus knew that as long as this knowledge existed people would be less inclined to believe the bible so he set about destroying the pagan temples. But the Serapeum was a huge structure, high on a mound and beyond the abilities of the raging Christian fanatics to assault. Faced with this edifice, the Patriarch sent word to Rome. There the Emperor Theodosius the Great, who had ordered that paganism be annihilated, gave his permission for the destruction of the Serapeum. Realising they had no chance, the priests and priestesses fled their temple and the mob moved in. The vast structure was razed to it foundations and the scrolls from the library were burnt in huge pyres in the streets of Alexandria.

Theophilus was indeed the Patriarch of Alexandria at the time that the Serapeum was converted into a Christian church although he has never been made a saint! The date for the events recorded is usually given as 391AD when Theodosius was emperor and energetically converting all his subjects to Christianity. The contention made is that there was another library in the Serapeum temple that a Christian mob destroyed during their sacking of the temple. We need to establish if there really was a library there and also if Theophilus destroyed it.

The intervening years
About the library the sources are reasonably silent but this is not a surprise because we know already that we cannot be talking about the Royal Library itself. However, Alexandria remained a centre of scholarship and other libraries existed. The Emperor Claudius set up the eponymous named Claudian to be a centre for the study of history and Hadrian founded a library at the Caesarean temple during his visit. Less reliably, Plutarch informs us that Mark Anthony gave Cleopatra the entire contents - some 200,000 rolls - of the Pergamon library as a gift.

The 12th century Byzantine scholar, John Tzetzes, in his Prolegomena to Aristophanes preserves some details about the catalogue of the poet Callimachus (died after 250BC) who said there were nearly 500,000 scrolls in the Royal Library and another 42,000 odd in the outer or public library. Note that Callimachus is not known to have referred to the Serapeum Library although he is often assumed to be doing so. The fourth century Bishop Epiphanius of Cyprus (died 402AD) in his Cosmos. He spices the story up with a role for the murdered philosopher Hypatia, even though there is no evidence connecting her to the library at all.<<

 

[westwall]

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

 

[westwall]

Myths vs history

>>
Theophilus
Again, the legendary story first:

Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, is also the patron saint of arsonists. As Christianity slowly strangled the life out of classical culture in the fourth century it became more and more difficult to be a pagan. There stood in Alexandria the great temple of Serapis called the Serapeum and attached to it was the Great Library of Alexandria where all the wisdom of the ancients was preserved. Now Theophilus knew that as long as this knowledge existed people would be less inclined to believe the bible so he set about destroying the pagan temples. But the Serapeum was a huge structure, high on a mound and beyond the abilities of the raging Christian fanatics to assault. Faced with this edifice, the Patriarch sent word to Rome. There the Emperor Theodosius the Great, who had ordered that paganism be annihilated, gave his permission for the destruction of the Serapeum. Realising they had no chance, the priests and priestesses fled their temple and the mob moved in. The vast structure was razed to it foundations and the scrolls from the library were burnt in huge pyres in the streets of Alexandria.

Theophilus was indeed the Patriarch of Alexandria at the time that the Serapeum was converted into a Christian church although he has never been made a saint! The date for the events recorded is usually given as 391AD when Theodosius was emperor and energetically converting all his subjects to Christianity. The contention made is that there was another library in the Serapeum temple that a Christian mob destroyed during their sacking of the temple. We need to establish if there really was a library there and also if Theophilus destroyed it.

The intervening years
About the library the sources are reasonably silent but this is not a surprise because we know already that we cannot be talking about the Royal Library itself. However, Alexandria remained a centre of scholarship and other libraries existed. The Emperor Claudius set up the eponymous named Claudian to be a centre for the study of history and Hadrian founded a library at the Caesarean temple during his visit. Less reliably, Plutarch informs us that Mark Anthony gave Cleopatra the entire contents - some 200,000 rolls - of the Pergamon library as a gift.

The 12th century Byzantine scholar, John Tzetzes, in his Prolegomena to Aristophanes preserves some details about the catalogue of the poet Callimachus (died after 250BC) who said there were nearly 500,000 scrolls in the Royal Library and another 42,000 odd in the outer or public library. Note that Callimachus is not known to have referred to the Serapeum Library although he is often assumed to be doing so. The fourth century Bishop Epiphanius of Cyprus (died 402AD) in his Cosmos. He spices the story up with a role for the murdered philosopher Hypatia, even though there is no evidence connecting her to the library at all.<<

Indeed. There is a huge body of evidence that is actually period, that shows it was Caesar who burned the library, and that by accident. There is no contemporary evidence at all that shows it was those damned christians who were the perpetrators. And, the evidence that they do present is provably false as in the dates they provide. That is how poorly they have researched the subject.

 

[aris2chat]

Myths vs history

>>
Theophilus
Again, the legendary story first:

Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, is also the patron saint of arsonists. As Christianity slowly strangled the life out of classical culture in the fourth century it became more and more difficult to be a pagan. There stood in Alexandria the great temple of Serapis called the Serapeum and attached to it was the Great Library of Alexandria where all the wisdom of the ancients was preserved. Now Theophilus knew that as long as this knowledge existed people would be less inclined to believe the bible so he set about destroying the pagan temples. But the Serapeum was a huge structure, high on a mound and beyond the abilities of the raging Christian fanatics to assault. Faced with this edifice, the Patriarch sent word to Rome. There the Emperor Theodosius the Great, who had ordered that paganism be annihilated, gave his permission for the destruction of the Serapeum. Realising they had no chance, the priests and priestesses fled their temple and the mob moved in. The vast structure was razed to it foundations and the scrolls from the library were burnt in huge pyres in the streets of Alexandria.

Theophilus was indeed the Patriarch of Alexandria at the time that the Serapeum was converted into a Christian church although he has never been made a saint! The date for the events recorded is usually given as 391AD when Theodosius was emperor and energetically converting all his subjects to Christianity. The contention made is that there was another library in the Serapeum temple that a Christian mob destroyed during their sacking of the temple. We need to establish if there really was a library there and also if Theophilus destroyed it.

The intervening years
About the library the sources are reasonably silent but this is not a surprise because we know already that we cannot be talking about the Royal Library itself. However, Alexandria remained a centre of scholarship and other libraries existed. The Emperor Claudius set up the eponymous named Claudian to be a centre for the study of history and Hadrian founded a library at the Caesarean temple during his visit. Less reliably, Plutarch informs us that Mark Anthony gave Cleopatra the entire contents - some 200,000 rolls - of the Pergamon library as a gift.

The 12th century Byzantine scholar, John Tzetzes, in his Prolegomena to Aristophanes preserves some details about the catalogue of the poet Callimachus (died after 250BC) who said there were nearly 500,000 scrolls in the Royal Library and another 42,000 odd in the outer or public library. Note that Callimachus is not known to have referred to the Serapeum Library although he is often assumed to be doing so. The fourth century Bishop Epiphanius of Cyprus (died 402AD) in his Cosmos. He spices the story up with a role for the murdered philosopher Hypatia, even though there is no evidence connecting her to the library at all.<<

Indeed. There is a huge body of evidence that is actually period, that shows it was Caesar who burned the library, and that by accident. There is no contemporary evidence at all that shows it was those damned christians who were the perpetrators. And, the evidence that they do present is provably false as in the dates they provide. That is how poorly they have researched the subject.

Cicero hate Caesar, yet he never mentions Caesar being involved in the library burning. Those stories came much later.

 

[Disir]

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

 

[aris2chat]

Not at all. They were Christian in name only, and were just acting as tools for the power hungry Bishop. Nobody that understands Christ's teachings would have done the things they did. They were no more Christian than so many that claim the mantle of Christianity today, but hate all there neighbors.

Christianity back then was dozens of bishops and groups believing and doing their own thing. It was nothing like we know the church or Christianity today.
Everyone had their own ideas and bishops had fist fights and were killed for conflicting beliefs. Each "church"/group was excommunicate the other. It was a war, literally and physically.
Christianity was still small and far from organized ideas or unity.

 

[westwall]

Myths vs history

>>
Theophilus
Again, the legendary story first:

Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, is also the patron saint of arsonists. As Christianity slowly strangled the life out of classical culture in the fourth century it became more and more difficult to be a pagan. There stood in Alexandria the great temple of Serapis called the Serapeum and attached to it was the Great Library of Alexandria where all the wisdom of the ancients was preserved. Now Theophilus knew that as long as this knowledge existed people would be less inclined to believe the bible so he set about destroying the pagan temples. But the Serapeum was a huge structure, high on a mound and beyond the abilities of the raging Christian fanatics to assault. Faced with this edifice, the Patriarch sent word to Rome. There the Emperor Theodosius the Great, who had ordered that paganism be annihilated, gave his permission for the destruction of the Serapeum. Realising they had no chance, the priests and priestesses fled their temple and the mob moved in. The vast structure was razed to it foundations and the scrolls from the library were burnt in huge pyres in the streets of Alexandria.

Theophilus was indeed the Patriarch of Alexandria at the time that the Serapeum was converted into a Christian church although he has never been made a saint! The date for the events recorded is usually given as 391AD when Theodosius was emperor and energetically converting all his subjects to Christianity. The contention made is that there was another library in the Serapeum temple that a Christian mob destroyed during their sacking of the temple. We need to establish if there really was a library there and also if Theophilus destroyed it.

The intervening years
About the library the sources are reasonably silent but this is not a surprise because we know already that we cannot be talking about the Royal Library itself. However, Alexandria remained a centre of scholarship and other libraries existed. The Emperor Claudius set up the eponymous named Claudian to be a centre for the study of history and Hadrian founded a library at the Caesarean temple during his visit. Less reliably, Plutarch informs us that Mark Anthony gave Cleopatra the entire contents - some 200,000 rolls - of the Pergamon library as a gift.

The 12th century Byzantine scholar, John Tzetzes, in his Prolegomena to Aristophanes preserves some details about the catalogue of the poet Callimachus (died after 250BC) who said there were nearly 500,000 scrolls in the Royal Library and another 42,000 odd in the outer or public library. Note that Callimachus is not known to have referred to the Serapeum Library although he is often assumed to be doing so. The fourth century Bishop Epiphanius of Cyprus (died 402AD) in his Cosmos. He spices the story up with a role for the murdered philosopher Hypatia, even though there is no evidence connecting her to the library at all.<<

Indeed. There is a huge body of evidence that is actually period, that shows it was Caesar who burned the library, and that by accident. There is no contemporary evidence at all that shows it was those damned christians who were the perpetrators. And, the evidence that they do present is provably false as in the dates they provide. That is how poorly they have researched the subject.

Cicero hate Caesar, yet he never mentions Caesar being involved in the library burning. Those stories came much later.

He certainly hated the First Triumvirate which he considered unconstitutional. He was invited to be a member as he was a highly regarded lawyer, but he was also incredibly principled. Most of his correspondence was destroyed. He wrote thousands of letters but only around 900 survive so the fact that he doesn't mention the library's demise is not surprising. I have a feeling that most of what he wrote about Caesar, and the First Triumvirate, was disappeared.

 

[westwall]

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

 

[irosie91]

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

what am I missing----when was it destroyed and how----before there were Christians?

 

[westwall]

"In 391 CE, as part of his attempt to wipe out paganism, Emperor Theodosius I officially sanctioned the destruction of the Serapeum, or Temple of Serapis at Alexandria. The destruction of the Temple was carried out under Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, and afterwards a Christian church was built on the site. It has been hypothesised that the daughter library of the Museum, located close to the Temple, and the Royal Library were also razed to the ground at this time. However, whilst it is plausible that manuscripts from the Serapeum library may have been destroyed during this purge, there is no evidence that the Royal Library still existed at the end the 4th century. No ancient sources mention the destruction of any library at this time, though 18th century English historian Edward Gibbon mistakenly attributes it to bishop Theophilus."

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

what am I missing----when was it destroyed and how----before there were Christians?

Go to the link in my first post. The first mention of the library's demise was when Caesar was there. There is none afterwords.

 

[irosie91]

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

what am I missing----when was it destroyed and how----before there were Christians?

Go the link in my first post. The first mention of the library's demise was when Caesar was there. There is none afterwords.

sheeeeesh----------when Caesar was there? with Cleopatra? I am going to breakdown
and forget my PRECONCEIVED historical time line and GOOGLE. That was B.C. I have
"lived" with the notion that there were many fires there------over MANY CENTURIES---------

I googled------the history of the Library is SHROUDED IN MYSTERY------and-----what I thought
was HISTORY----turns out to legend. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO IT AND WHEN
over the course of a WHOLE MILLENIUM. There are "theories only" ----about as tangible
as robin hood and friar tuck

 

[westwall]

There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

what am I missing----when was it destroyed and how----before there were Christians?

Go the link in my first post. The first mention of the library's demise was when Caesar was there. There is none afterwords.

sheeeeesh----------when Caesar was there? with Cleopatra? I am going to breakdown
and forget my PRECONCEIVED historical time line and GOOGLE. That was B.C. I have
"lived" with the notion that there were many fires there------over MANY CENTURIES---------

I googled------the history of the Library is SHROUDED IN MYSTERY------and-----what I thought
was HISTORY----turns out to legend. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO IT AND WHEN
over the course of a WHOLE MILLENIUM. There are "theories only" ----about as tangible
as robin hood and friar tuck

Correctomundo. The meme that the christians did it is simply not supported by the facts that we do have. But the militant atheists don't care about facts anymore.

 

[irosie91]

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

link to woman slashed with sea shells? My google of the library of Alexandra
reveals (????) there were PARTS ------and from 300 BC to about 1000 AD----
lots of putative fires and just about every prominent person who was THERE or
CONTROLLED there has been accused of FIRES and EVERY GROUP------
no doubt jews too-----but so far I did not find it-------no doubt it exists somewhere

what am I missing----when was it destroyed and how----before there were Christians?

Go the link in my first post. The first mention of the library's demise was when Caesar was there. There is none afterwords.

sheeeeesh----------when Caesar was there? with Cleopatra? I am going to breakdown
and forget my PRECONCEIVED historical time line and GOOGLE. That was B.C. I have
"lived" with the notion that there were many fires there------over MANY CENTURIES---------

I googled------the history of the Library is SHROUDED IN MYSTERY------and-----what I thought
was HISTORY----turns out to legend. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO IT AND WHEN
over the course of a WHOLE MILLENIUM. There are "theories only" ----about as tangible
as robin hood and friar tuck

Correctomundo. The meme that the christians did it is simply not supported by the facts that we do have. But the militant atheists don't care about facts anymore.

 

[aris2chat]

Worst cat for history is Gibbon. Smite him.

Hypatia

That said, IF you are looking for a major league player for the destruction it absolutely would have been under Theodosius the Great. He got rolled by Ambrose multiple time and he had zero control over what was going down in Alexandria. He doesn't hear about events until long after the fact due to travel times and Russia no cell phones. Also, there absolutely are early Christians involved in all kinds of mayhem and Theodosius "sanctioned" under pressure by not rebuilding or compensation in any way, shape or form.Theodosius the Great appears to be (to me) very ineffective in controlling the Empire. Much of that is due to the inability to communicate quickly and, in part, his personality. His father was murdered over soothsaying crap and rumors. The fact he was able to stay in power as long as he did was miraculous.

That is such an interesting time period.

you forget the arab destruction?






There is no contemporary mention of the libraries destruction after the time of Caesar. None. That means it was already destroyed by the time your candidate showed up. That's the problem with militant atheists. When presented with evidence that refutes your preconceived notions you ignore it in favor of your meme.

Yep. I'm militant alright.

And.............do. not. forget. it.


I have few pleasures in life. That just happens to be one of my favorite periods. So, I'm going to go check on what I got.

Please do. The evidence is very compelling that the library was long gone by the time of the christians. Don't get me wrong they are certainly guilty of some truly horrible things, but the destruction of the library is one crime that IMO they are innocent of.

what am I missing----when was it destroyed and how----before there were Christians?

Go to the link in my first post. The first mention of the library's demise was when Caesar was there. There is none afterwords.