We need to clean America of the guns !

[Unkotare]

Assault Style Long gun

Deli-Style means not made in a deli

Ranch-Style means not made in a ranch

Assault-Style means not for assault

I for sure thought you would see guns are out of control and new extreme actions must be used

Is freedom of speech out of control?

Is freedom of religion out of control?

 

[Quasar44]

you must pass a series of tests

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Really ?? Math is not my strength and it’s been 25 Yrs
I assume if this Is a right triangle you can use the Pythagorean theory ??
Square root of 4 cube times 3 cube ???

 

[Quasar44]

16 + 9 is 25
Then square root it
5

 

[Quasar44]

Any little Jewish kid knows that Lol

 

[Quasar44]

Assault Style Long gun

Deli-Style means not made in a deli

Ranch-Style means not made in a ranch

Assault-Style means not for assault

I for sure thought you would see guns are out of control and new extreme actions must be used

Is freedom of speech out of control?

Is freedom of religion out of control?

I come here as independent moderate
Based on your post ..I know you’re a very reasonable and moderate person
And no ...I am never going to ever beat you in grappling

 

[Quasar44]

I am an independent conservative of Jewish extract

 

[fncceo]

I am an independent conservative of Jewish extract

What in the name of heaven is "Jewish Extract"?

That sounds like something my bubbe used to make cookies.

 

[Unkotare]

...
Based on your post ..I know you’re a very reasonable and moderate person
...

All any of us can do is try to be.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I said 10 times you only need a revolver and shotgun for home defense ..anything else needs to be confiscated

And you would be legally wrong for everyone else. Legal for you.

I notice we have two sides on here. One side says, get rid of all the guns while the side says over my dead body. Neither side speaks about what is legal. Or even attempts to use common sense. That means neither side will get your own way.

 

[Quasar44]

My views are a compromise
We need basic guns for only home defense

 

[Unkotare]

...
And no ...I am never going to ever beat you in grappling

That's not required! Just work on being better than you are now. Give those freestyle classes a try once in a while.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Any Assault Style Long gun should be banned

You only need a shotgun and revolver for home defense!!
Get rid of big mags and pistols
Concealed guns must be illegal as well

This is the most violent nation in the history of the modern world

You left out other classes of guns like hunting rifles like the Remington 700. I doubt you can talk almost anyone to banning that one.

Now, let's take a look at the legal definition of the civilian use of the term Assault Rifle. There isn't one. If you use the term Assault Rifle in your ban law it will get bounced by just about every level of State and Federal Court in the land. Assault Rifle is a Military Term and applies to one specific type of weapon only. Here is the definition of the Assault Rifle. Or at least my definition. It was also Stoners definition that started all this.

Any weapon that is designed to use in a firefight where it can do the maximum rate of fire, be light in weight, have one hand changing of mags, can be easily maintained, operated with very little training. It must be able to have the highest number of ammo. It must have a high rate of cyclic rate. At one time, it was thought to have to also be fully automatic but that's not the case anymore. IT needs to be able to be used in short and medium range. No specific caliber but you can pretty well rule out most 30 cals unless it has a light powder load behind it. It must be designed where every feature is for war with nothing for cosmetics.

Even though our Modern Hunting Rifles first saw action in war, they no longer can be used for war realistically with the exception of the bolt action sniper rifles in the 308 and larger calibers. But those are spec ops only and very rare do you see them on the battle field so we won't even discuss them nor do we even need to try and ban them. They are Hunting Rifles. The Courts won't even consider even a minor ban on those.

Handguns. Heller V D.C brought into the term "Reasonable". I know it doesn't specifically say that but that's the meaning. You have the right as per the 2nd Amendment to have a reasonable handgun in your home for obvious reasons. The courts have pretty much decided that the mag capacity of 15 rounds is reasonable but limiting it to 10 is unreasonable. A State can make it 30 rounds if it wants but never less than 15. I have one that hold 8 and the other holds 9 but one is a 45 cal so you can only have so many without have a mag that jams and the other is a pocket 9mm which can only hold 9 and still stay small. Both are considered "Reasonable" by law.

Now, about your banning concealed weapons. I agree that unlicensed individuals should never be allowed to carry concealed weapons of any kind. The reason for that is, the number of wrongful shootings by people that are licensed to carry concealed weapons is almost zero. These are the safest gun carriers by far.

Now let's talk about banning specific weapons. The State, County and Municipals CAN ban specific weapons but they have to be very specific in how they word it. If they use the term Assault Rifles and even talk about their general operation then that also grabs some fine hunting rifles as well that really make lousy Military Rifles. But if they are specific then it can be found legal. Instead of using the term Assault Rifle when you mean the AR-15/AK-47, be specific and use the phrase, "AR-15/AK-47 and their various clones". That's legal and will stand in court. But to harp on Assault Rifles will fail in almost every court.

I am mixed on whether a ban on the AR-15/AK-47 and their various clones is necessary. What is needed is the breakup of the Cult that goes with them. In Colorado, through creative laws, we didn't ban the AR, we broke the Cult. Oh, we still have a few that are still living the cult but it's no longer as prevalent. And there are fewer ARs in homes these days. Not fewer AR but just fewer in homes. You can still walk into any Gun or Pawn Shop and buy them in about 10 minutes if you have the cash and can pass the basic background check, just fewer and fewer people are doing it today. But try and find a decent Model 700 308 on the shelf. It wasn't the laws that changed, it was the Community.

This is ludicrous.

It''s the law. You want it changed, get the laws changed and the almost ALL the Judges replaced. Or you can move to Yemen which is the only country on the face of the Earth with zero Gun Regulations. And you see how that is working out for them.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

As a T supporter this is how you treat me because I said the Dems are correct on gun control

Yet you cannot explain any logical verifiable reason why you feel this way. Odd.

You might have a psychosis called Hoplophobia.
Which is an IRRATIONAL fear of firearms.
My best guess is that's what's wrong with you.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

My views are a compromise
We need basic guns for only home defense

This is not at all what the Constitution says or implies.
It is simply your own irrational fears.

It is very obvious that you have not read the Constitution.
In fact, Americans have already drastically compromised. The Constitution explicitly implies our Right to bear arms Sufficient to deter government aggression
In 1776, Muskets were adequate. Today all Gun owners really demand is AR15's and AK47's. Nowhere near a match, but we compromised.
Yet Hoplophobes will never be satisfied and will push for progressively stricter gun laws until the 2nd is basically nullified.
If you can show me ANYWHERE in the Constitution that I only have the right to a "basic" gun, I will consider your opinion

In wonderful news, the California 9th Circuit Court of Appeals
PUBLISHED: August 14, 2020 at 11:15 a.m. | UPDATED: August 14, 2020 at 3:15 p.m. A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ended California's 2016 ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines Friday in a decision that quickly spawned cheers and condemnation on opposite side of the gun control debate

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Any Assault Style Long gun should be banned

You only need a shotgun and revolver for home defense!!
Get rid of big mags and pistols
Concealed guns must be illegal as well

This is the most violent nation in the history of the modern world

You left out other classes of guns like hunting rifles like the Remington 700. I doubt you can talk almost anyone to banning that one.

Now, let's take a look at the legal definition of the civilian use of the term Assault Rifle. There isn't one. If you use the term Assault Rifle in your ban law it will get bounced by just about every level of State and Federal Court in the land. Assault Rifle is a Military Term and applies to one specific type of weapon only. Here is the definition of the Assault Rifle. Or at least my definition. It was also Stoners definition that started all this.

Any weapon that is designed to use in a firefight where it can do the maximum rate of fire, be light in weight, have one hand changing of mags, can be easily maintained, operated with very little training. It must be able to have the highest number of ammo. It must have a high rate of cyclic rate. At one time, it was thought to have to also be fully automatic but that's not the case anymore. IT needs to be able to be used in short and medium range. No specific caliber but you can pretty well rule out most 30 cals unless it has a light powder load behind it. It must be designed where every feature is for war with nothing for cosmetics.

Even though our Modern Hunting Rifles first saw action in war, they no longer can be used for war realistically with the exception of the bolt action sniper rifles in the 308 and larger calibers. But those are spec ops only and very rare do you see them on the battle field so we won't even discuss them nor do we even need to try and ban them. They are Hunting Rifles. The Courts won't even consider even a minor ban on those.

Handguns. Heller V D.C brought into the term "Reasonable". I know it doesn't specifically say that but that's the meaning. You have the right as per the 2nd Amendment to have a reasonable handgun in your home for obvious reasons. The courts have pretty much decided that the mag capacity of 15 rounds is reasonable but limiting it to 10 is unreasonable. A State can make it 30 rounds if it wants but never less than 15. I have one that hold 8 and the other holds 9 but one is a 45 cal so you can only have so many without have a mag that jams and the other is a pocket 9mm which can only hold 9 and still stay small. Both are considered "Reasonable" by law.

Now, about your banning concealed weapons. I agree that unlicensed individuals should never be allowed to carry concealed weapons of any kind. The reason for that is, the number of wrongful shootings by people that are licensed to carry concealed weapons is almost zero. These are the safest gun carriers by far.

Now let's talk about banning specific weapons. The State, County and Municipals CAN ban specific weapons but they have to be very specific in how they word it. If they use the term Assault Rifles and even talk about their general operation then that also grabs some fine hunting rifles as well that really make lousy Military Rifles. But if they are specific then it can be found legal. Instead of using the term Assault Rifle when you mean the AR-15/AK-47, be specific and use the phrase, "AR-15/AK-47 and their various clones". That's legal and will stand in court. But to harp on Assault Rifles will fail in almost every court.

I am mixed on whether a ban on the AR-15/AK-47 and their various clones is necessary. What is needed is the breakup of the Cult that goes with them. In Colorado, through creative laws, we didn't ban the AR, we broke the Cult. Oh, we still have a few that are still living the cult but it's no longer as prevalent. And there are fewer ARs in homes these days. Not fewer AR but just fewer in homes. You can still walk into any Gun or Pawn Shop and buy them in about 10 minutes if you have the cash and can pass the basic background check, just fewer and fewer people are doing it today. But try and find a decent Model 700 308 on the shelf. It wasn't the laws that changed, it was the Community.

This is ludicrous.

It''s the law. You want it changed, get the laws changed and the almost ALL the Judges replaced. Or you can move to Yemen which is the only country on the face of the Earth with zero Gun Regulations. And you see how that is working out for them.

Changing Laws does not change the Constitution.
No matter what Laws are passed, it is the US Constitution that determines what laws can and cannot do.
No US Court has the authority to change the 2nd Amendment.

No court has the right to change the intent of the Constitution. Not even the Supreme Court.
That they have is a testament to the willingness of corrupt people to ignore the Constitution

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Any Assault Style Long gun should be banned

You only need a shotgun and revolver for home defense!!
Get rid of big mags and pistols
Concealed guns must be illegal as well

This is the most violent nation in the history of the modern world

You left out other classes of guns like hunting rifles like the Remington 700. I doubt you can talk almost anyone to banning that one.

Now, let's take a look at the legal definition of the civilian use of the term Assault Rifle. There isn't one. If you use the term Assault Rifle in your ban law it will get bounced by just about every level of State and Federal Court in the land. Assault Rifle is a Military Term and applies to one specific type of weapon only. Here is the definition of the Assault Rifle. Or at least my definition. It was also Stoners definition that started all this.

Any weapon that is designed to use in a firefight where it can do the maximum rate of fire, be light in weight, have one hand changing of mags, can be easily maintained, operated with very little training. It must be able to have the highest number of ammo. It must have a high rate of cyclic rate. At one time, it was thought to have to also be fully automatic but that's not the case anymore. IT needs to be able to be used in short and medium range. No specific caliber but you can pretty well rule out most 30 cals unless it has a light powder load behind it. It must be designed where every feature is for war with nothing for cosmetics.

Even though our Modern Hunting Rifles first saw action in war, they no longer can be used for war realistically with the exception of the bolt action sniper rifles in the 308 and larger calibers. But those are spec ops only and very rare do you see them on the battle field so we won't even discuss them nor do we even need to try and ban them. They are Hunting Rifles. The Courts won't even consider even a minor ban on those.

Handguns. Heller V D.C brought into the term "Reasonable". I know it doesn't specifically say that but that's the meaning. You have the right as per the 2nd Amendment to have a reasonable handgun in your home for obvious reasons. The courts have pretty much decided that the mag capacity of 15 rounds is reasonable but limiting it to 10 is unreasonable. A State can make it 30 rounds if it wants but never less than 15. I have one that hold 8 and the other holds 9 but one is a 45 cal so you can only have so many without have a mag that jams and the other is a pocket 9mm which can only hold 9 and still stay small. Both are considered "Reasonable" by law.

Now, about your banning concealed weapons. I agree that unlicensed individuals should never be allowed to carry concealed weapons of any kind. The reason for that is, the number of wrongful shootings by people that are licensed to carry concealed weapons is almost zero. These are the safest gun carriers by far.

Now let's talk about banning specific weapons. The State, County and Municipals CAN ban specific weapons but they have to be very specific in how they word it. If they use the term Assault Rifles and even talk about their general operation then that also grabs some fine hunting rifles as well that really make lousy Military Rifles. But if they are specific then it can be found legal. Instead of using the term Assault Rifle when you mean the AR-15/AK-47, be specific and use the phrase, "AR-15/AK-47 and their various clones". That's legal and will stand in court. But to harp on Assault Rifles will fail in almost every court.

I am mixed on whether a ban on the AR-15/AK-47 and their various clones is necessary. What is needed is the breakup of the Cult that goes with them. In Colorado, through creative laws, we didn't ban the AR, we broke the Cult. Oh, we still have a few that are still living the cult but it's no longer as prevalent. And there are fewer ARs in homes these days. Not fewer AR but just fewer in homes. You can still walk into any Gun or Pawn Shop and buy them in about 10 minutes if you have the cash and can pass the basic background check, just fewer and fewer people are doing it today. But try and find a decent Model 700 308 on the shelf. It wasn't the laws that changed, it was the Community.

This is ludicrous.

It''s the law. You want it changed, get the laws changed and the almost ALL the Judges replaced. Or you can move to Yemen which is the only country on the face of the Earth with zero Gun Regulations. And you see how that is working out for them.

Changing Laws does not change the Constitution.
No matter what Laws are passed, it is the US Constitution that determines what laws can and cannot do.
No US Court has the authority to change the 2nd Amendment.

No court has the right to change the intent of the Constitution. Not even the Supreme Court.
That they have is a testament to the willingness of corrupt people to ignore the Constitution

Since the 2A was a limit places primarily on the Federal Government, the States have rights to regulate what they feel is safe and what is not in their own states. And the courts have the right to rule on those state regulations. You don't like the regulations in the state you live in, get them changed.

 

[fncceo]

the States have rights to regulate what they feel is safe and what is not in their own states.

Except where it violates The Constitution.

Any attempt to restrict the 2nd Amendment, Federal or State, would have to survive a Supreme Court challenge.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

the States have rights to regulate what they feel is safe and what is not in their own states.

Except where it violates The Constitution.

Any attempt to restrict the 2nd Amendment, Federal or State, would have to survive a Supreme Court challenge.

The 2A is a restriction in itself. It restricts the Feds. The courts have allowed the implication at State Level for "REASONABLE" gun regulations. And since it's the State, County or Municipal that is making that "REASONABLE" determination then it has no effect on the 2A. That's the law. No amount of fruitcakiness from you can change that.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Come and get 'em!

I won’t but Harris will

It'd be entertaining to see her try.

 

[Markle]

I said 10 times you only need a revolver and shotgun for home defense ..anything else needs to be confiscated