"We are heading towards military defeat": ex-leader of Russian militants in Donetsk creates "club of angry patriots"

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Only if the Russians agreed with the defeat, what is highly unlikely. In this situation they will raise the violence level to the 'Local War' and fight back.

No, they won't. If the government tried that, the citizens at home would rise.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Only if the Russians agreed with the defeat, what is highly unlikely. In this situation they will raise the violence level to the 'Local War' and fight back.

No, the Russians don't have to agree to defeat to be driven out of Ukraine, but they will have to agree to defeat in Ukraine to have any chance of being able to do business with the civilized world again.

 

[Litwin]

Russians

 

[Silver Cat]

No, they won't. If the government tried that, the citizens at home would rise.

No, they wouldn't rise. And no, they will fight back, because Ukraine is more important for their safety than was Cuba for the USA back in 1962.
Let's play a game. The Mexican Junta (backed by Russia and China) want to take back "their" lands (including Texas and California) and , at least, return to the borders of 1821, but their final goal is the "total decolonisation of the Northern America" (which means discrimination, abuse and, later, genocide for all Americans of European, African or Asian origin).

Do you really believe that there could be any circumstances under which US citizens won't fight for their land, their freedom and their lives (if necessary, with the nuclear, chemical and biological weapon)?

 

[Silver Cat]

No, the Russians don't have to agree to defeat to be driven out of Ukraine, but they will have to agree to defeat in Ukraine to have any chance of being able to do business with the civilized world again.

Do you really believe that making business with the "civilized world" is more important for them that their survival? They clearly demonstrated that it's not, by cancelling the grain deal and by the destruction of the Odessa's and Nikolayev's seaport infrastructure.
And they have pretty good reasons to think that when the war is over and they win, the West won't have other option that return to the business as usual.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Do you really believe that making business with the "civilized world" is more important for them that their survival? They clearly demonstrated that it's not, by cancelling the grain deal and by the destruction of the Odessa's and Nikolayev's seaport infrastructure.
And they have pretty good reasons to think that when the war is over and they win, the West won't have other option that return to the business as usual.

Trading with the civilized world, which is also the wealthiest part of the world is a matter of survival for Russia, and since Russia is not under any threat to its national security, it is the only thing that is important to Russia's survival. There is no rational hope for Russia winning the war and the West simply does not need anything Russia has to sell.

Now that Putin has announced a blockade of the Black Sea, Ukraine has announced "all shipping plying Russian-held ports “may be considered by Ukraine as such carrying military cargo with all the associated risks”, which will pretty much end what is left of Russian commerce around the Black Sea.

 

[Silver Cat]

Let's see, who's threats will be taken more seriously.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, they wouldn't rise. And no, they will fight back, because Ukraine is more important for their safety than was Cuba for the USA back in 1962.
Let's play a game. The Mexican Junta (backed by Russia and China) want to take back "their" lands (including Texas and California) and , at least, return to the borders of 1821, but their final goal is the "total decolonisation of the Northern America" (which means discrimination, abuse and, later, genocide for all Americans of European, African or Asian origin).

Do you really believe that there could be any circumstances under which US citizens won't fight for their land, their freedom and their lives (if necessary, with the nuclear, chemical and biological weapon)?

The Russian people will not support full war. What a goofy suggestion,

 

[Litwin]

Let's see, who's threats will be taken more seriously.

some Telegram channels reported that Girkin was raped by the muslims in prison , any update on this ?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Let's see, who's threats will be taken more seriously.

Both countries will have a hard time doing business on the Black Sea, however it is important not to allow Putin to extort and concessions.

 

[Silver Cat]

The Russian people will not support full war. What a goofy suggestion,

Actually, the easiest way in modern Russia to earn some political capital is to suggest nuclear attack on the USA. They may not love war (or at least they tell that they don't love war), but much lesser they love a peace where the Russians are abused, discriminated and genocided (which is the actual reality in NATO-controlled Russian lands).
As well as American people would support a large-scale war against Shanghai block backed Mexico, determined to 'decolonize' North America (or even just return the borders of 1821).

 

[Silver Cat]

Both countries will have a hard time doing business on the Black Sea, however it is important not to allow Putin to extort and concessions.

I don't think so.

It is important to feed people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Actually, the easiest way in modern Russia to earn some political capital is to suggest nuclear attack on the USA. They may not love war (or at least they tell that they don't love war), but much lesser they love a peace where the Russians are abused, discriminated and genocided (which is the actual reality in NATO-controlled Russian lands).
As well as American people would support a large-scale war against Shanghai block backed Mexico, determined to 'decolonize' North America (or even just return the borders of 1821).

This is an outright falsehood: " but much lesser they love a peace where the Russians are abused, discriminated and genocided (which is the actual reality in NATO-controlled Russian lands)." No one is being genocided in Ukraine, unless it is the Ukranians in the four oblasts stolen by the Russians.

Why anyone would attack Mexico is such a strange thought that I wonder about your mental health.

 

[Silver Cat]

This is an outright falsehood: " but much lesser they love a peace where the Russians are abused, discriminated and genocided (which is the actual reality in NATO-controlled Russian lands)." No one is being genocided in Ukraine, unless it is the Ukranians in the four oblasts stolen by the Russians.

That's why you can't achieve the peace in Ukraine. There are plenty of facts and your denial just make your position weaker. If you say something like "You, f-king Mongols and N-ggers, occupants and subhumans deserve to be discriminated, abused and genocided" you just inspire them to fight more violently.

Why anyone would attack Mexico is such a strange thought that I wonder about your mental health.

The USA attacked Mexico when they started discrimination of WASPs in Texas and took "their land". So, if Mexica try to "take back Mexican land and return to 1821 borders" and start bombing campaign against "Texas separatists and english-speaking occupants" - I can't see any scenario in which the USA don't strike back.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Silver Cat the 'what if' of Mexico wanting to return to 1821 or 1836 or 1848 borders' is a worthless trope.

It has no logical relation to Ukraine and Russian border issues at all.

 

[luiza]

Unfortunately, the situation on the contact line, which the media glosses over in every possible way, has an extremely negative impact on the situation throughout the country.

I'm not afraid to say that we are heading towards military defeat...

Definitely Toomuchbooze . Cancel your Readers Digest subscription and take up another sort of embroidery . Or are you one of those desperate attention seeking Trolls like Winkle Titty?

 

[luiza]

Nonsense. Drive the Ruskies from Ukraine, and the war is won.

Bit like Horsey jumping off the cliff and yelling , I can Fly. But do try it and prove me wrong .

 

[Silver Cat]

Silver Cat the 'what if' of Mexico wanting to return to 1821 or 1836 or 1848 borders' is a worthless trope.

It has no logical relation to Ukraine and Russian border issues at all.

I hope it's simple and understandable analogy. The Russians are human beings as well as Americans. When they are hungry - they eat. When they are thirsty - they drink. When they are endangered - they attack.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, the analogy is worthless. Mexico has no hulking country ready to devour it as does Ukraine and other eastern European countries afraid of the Russian federation. The Russians are endangered by Putin and his Czarist imperial ideas.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah how cute!

The CIA told you Russia was a paper tiger and Putin would end up like Saddam and Qadaffi who both dared to defy the WEF!

And look where it got you! Ukraine depopulated by 10 million, NATO a useless organization and the Bidens and Zelen$ky exposed as the biggest, most blatant of crooks