We Appear to be in the Midst of a Second IC-led Coup Attempt

[SweetSue92]

Everything. The democrats should not be alone in having to prove to the people for the 1000th time about another instance of Trump violating the constitution. The right is once again lying and excusing his behavior. But to you, liberals angrily calling out this tyranny is the same as protecting it.

I'm waiting to see what the Articles of Impeachment say. That's where this gets beyond shallow assumptions & rhetorical slap fights, and into concrete reality.

Maybe the Dems will have a great case. That's what the investigative process is for. I don't know at the moment.

But my opinion won't be swayed by transparent partisans tooting vague platitudes about the violation of the Constitution.
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I'm not worried about swaying your opinion. Trump has violated the constitution on numerous occasions and has consistently abused his power. That's what the Mueller report showed and every instance of him refusing to answer to congress shows this as well. So your choice to be stupid and adopt right wing doubts is your problem. We have a transcript of the call, we have the documented complaint of the whistle blower. Both stories match. I don't toot vague platitudes, the facts show what I have said to be correct.

The personal insults really aren't necessary.

Okay, show me. List the verified actions and the corresponding passages in the Constitution. Maybe you're right.
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You're right. The personal insults are not necessary.

But my opinion won't be swayed by transparent partisans tooting vague platitudes about the violation of the Constitution.

Trump has violated the constitution on numerous occasions. If you are incapable of understanding that he has consistently obstructed justice, abused his power, tampered with witnesses, personally enriched himself off the presidency, and now has attempted extortion, then you just aren't very aware.

Those accusations are all based on interpretation of the law. And yes, I can see them being included in the Articles with specifics. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see more actions like that come to light.

What I don't do is see a reason to play judge and jury before the facts are laid out and fully & fairly challenged. Maybe new information will come out. Maybe I'm not seeing something.

Making one-sided assumptions, automatically believing the worst, and being incurious about contrary information are all behaviors regularly shared by both ends of the spectrum.

I'm curious and open to new information. I wish those were not qualities that are become more and more rare.
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You already made your judgement a couple of days ago when you were leaping around with your hair on fire like the rest of the loony leftist tribe, so who are you trying to fool? You're not fooling anyone

 

[Mac1958]

I'm waiting to see what the Articles of Impeachment say. That's where this gets beyond shallow assumptions & rhetorical slap fights, and into concrete reality.

Maybe the Dems will have a great case. That's what the investigative process is for. I don't know at the moment.

But my opinion won't be swayed by transparent partisans tooting vague platitudes about the violation of the Constitution.
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I'm not worried about swaying your opinion. Trump has violated the constitution on numerous occasions and has consistently abused his power. That's what the Mueller report showed and every instance of him refusing to answer to congress shows this as well. So your choice to be stupid and adopt right wing doubts is your problem. We have a transcript of the call, we have the documented complaint of the whistle blower. Both stories match. I don't toot vague platitudes, the facts show what I have said to be correct.

The personal insults really aren't necessary.

Okay, show me. List the verified actions and the corresponding passages in the Constitution. Maybe you're right.
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You're right. The personal insults are not necessary.

But my opinion won't be swayed by transparent partisans tooting vague platitudes about the violation of the Constitution.

Trump has violated the constitution on numerous occasions. If you are incapable of understanding that he has consistently obstructed justice, abused his power, tampered with witnesses, personally enriched himself off the presidency, and now has attempted extortion, then you just aren't very aware.

Those accusations are all based on interpretation of the law. And yes, I can see them being included in the Articles with specifics. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see more actions like that come to light.

What I don't do is see a reason to play judge and jury before the facts are laid out and fully & fairly challenged. Maybe new information will come out. Maybe I'm not seeing something.

Making one-sided assumptions, automatically believing the worst, and being incurious about contrary information are all behaviors regularly shared by both ends of the spectrum.

I'm curious and open to new information. I wish those were not qualities that are become more and more rare.
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You already made your judgement a couple of days ago when you were leaping around with your hair on fire like the rest of the loony leftist tribe, so who are you trying to fool? You're not fooling anyone

Okay thanks!

One from each end. I do love this stuff.
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[JoeB131]

So, just a few months after the Intelligence Community’s first coup attempt against President Trump failed with the crashing and burning of the Mueller Report, it now seems certain that the IC is coordinating fully with Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats in mounting a second effort, using essentially the same playbook. Label a false charge, invent a legend around that charge, coordinate talking points with the fake news media, double-down every time the facts fail to support the legend.

Meanwhile, as treasonous snakes mount this second coup attempt on his own watch, Attorney General William Barr is probably keeping himself locked in a safe room at his home, practicing his bagpipes. People should be getting rounded up and flown down to Gitmo, but all we get from our Department of [No] Justice is crickets.

Barr is probably worried about his own reputation at this point, since he's been implicated in this mess.

Here's a simple enough solution. Let's hear the ACTUAL RECORDING of the phone call, and then have everyone around Trump, including Giuliani and Barr testify under oath.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon

It now appears certain that the Intelligence Community is attempting to take down a duly elected POTUS for a second time in three years. – Sean Davis at The Federalist reported late Friday afternoon that, at some undetermined point in August, the Office of National Intelligence secretly implemented a change to its “whistleblower” policy that eliminates the requirement that a person must contain first-hand information of wrongdoing in order to have a whistleblower complaint expedited through the process:

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”

The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed.

The timing of this, given the second-hand hearsay nature of the fake “whistleblower” complaint that led directly to the Democrats’ impeachment effort this week, is too convenient to be mere coincidence. It is key to remember that former DNI Dan Coats and his Deputy, Sue Gordon, both left their jobs on August 15, three days after the fake whistleblower complaint was formally filed.

We do not yet know whether this secret change in requirements was made before, on or after that date, but the answer to that question will be extremely revealing. Many have been wondering why it is that this complaint has been even allowed to move forward, given that the fake “whistleblower” admits he has no real first-hand information about any alleged wrongdoing by President Trump or anyone else.

Now we know.

The possession of first-hand knowledge has always been a crucial part of all federal whistleblower statutes, in part as a means of preventing this exact sort of hearsay-based complaint becoming the norm, and being used as a way to settle political grudges.

So, just a few months after the Intelligence Community’s first coup attempt against President Trump failed with the crashing and burning of the Mueller Report, it now seems certain that the IC is coordinating fully with Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats in mounting a second effort, using essentially the same playbook. Label a false charge, invent a legend around that charge, coordinate talking points with the fake news media, double-down every time the facts fail to support the legend.

Meanwhile, as treasonous snakes mount this second coup attempt on his own watch, Attorney General William Barr is probably keeping himself locked in a safe room at his home, practicing his bagpipes. People should be getting rounded up and flown down to Gitmo, but all we get from our Department of [No] Justice is crickets.

God Bless President Trump for having the courage to continue fighting while everyone else around him scurries for cover.

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Who exercised authority to make the change? Whoever did it better be ready for a lot of justification questions and challenges as to when it was done and why......Ah, but I only dream that there is justice in our government.....The only way to change ANYTHING is a second Civil War....Make note who the people are who want your guns...they should be the first ones to depart!

Comey, posting as QAnon, keeps telling us that there's a "Plan"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Democrats stoop to an all time low. They are not to smart. Now hear-say is ok. Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say. Democrats trying to trample on the Constitution again. Do they think Americans will let this happen and just stand by while the Democrats ( racist pieces of shit) try to get away with it. Obviously the Demtards are Ill informed.


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They already got away with one failed coup and perverted the entire US Intelligence agencies in the process, so why not try again and again?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Democrats stoop to an all time low. They are not to smart. Now hear-say is ok. Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say. Democrats trying to trample on the Constitution again. Do they think Americans will let this happen and just stand by while the Democrats ( racist pieces of shit) try to get away with it. Obviously the Demtards are Ill informed.


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This is not hear say.

Look it up. It's textbook hearsay

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is no coup. Trump violated the constitution.

Again.

Qoute the violation.

Jo

Obstructing Hillary from the White House

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is no coup. Trump violated the constitution.

Again.

Please tell us how, and when

You know how and when he has violated the constitution every time he has done it. This last episode is just one of many. So if you don't know, figure it out. Because Trump has violated the constitution.

3 years later and Obstructing Hillary from the White House is STILL not a crime

 

[The Purge]

All this bullshit when we have a former VP actually, on tape making a DIRECT THREAT against Ukraine government!!!!!!

You think this just might be the BIGGEST MISDIRECTION in American history, even bigger than the Comey\Hildebeast coverup to protect a DemonRAT position in an upcoming campaign....they really don't give a shit about Jojo, it is ALL TO PROTECT the DemonRATS from looking like the corrupt, crooked, CRIME RIDDEN bunch that they are and to TRY DESPERATELY to keep at least the power in the House.......where are the Republicans on this....MIA again, seems most play hide and seek on matters that will really mean saving our Republic from the 70 years of Communist infiltration!.....You folks DO NOTICE who the Communist and Socialist parties of America stand behind....don't you?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

There is no coup. Trump violated the constitution.

Again.

Qoute the violation.

Jo

You qoute it. Trump has violated the constitution.

The time has come for Trump.

No, you should make your argument stating what Trump has done to violate the Constitution that would require the Impeachment and Removal of him and not just troll...

Also as pointed out the Whistleblower did not have firsthand knowledge of what was actually said and it is second or third hand information.

 

[MAGAman]

There is no coup. Trump violated the constitution.

Again.

Nope.

You repeat your master's lies again.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Comey and Hillary will burn the country down around them if they're ever held to account

 

[OldLady]

The Democrats stoop to an all time low. They are not to smart. Now hear-say is ok. Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say. Democrats trying to trample on the Constitution again. Do they think Americans will let this happen and just stand by while the Democrats ( racist pieces of shit) try to get away with it. Obviously the Demtards are Ill informed.


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How do you call it hearsay when you have the official transcript of the President's words in that conversation?
Cat's outta the bag. Maybe the whistleblower didn't hear it first hand, but it proved to be accurate and we've got the evidence. It is right in front of your nose and Trump World is busy distracting you with all sorts of nonsense about whether the complaint applies (too late, sorry) and if the Dems and the Intelligence Agencies conspired to bring this complaint forward by changing their rules (which is fuzzy bullshit) and Schiff lied on tv (which he didn't) ....
it will go on and on and you're buying it hook, line and sinker.

 

[The Purge]

Comey and Hillary will burn the country down around them if they're ever held to account

They will certainly try....this is why we need men like Trump...true patriots that can't be BOUGHT or INTIMIDATED.....AND we honestly need to minimize those dissenters into voices that whisper not ones that control our communications systems.....talk radio helps BUT we need more than that....just listen to the truly deranged voices in here....actually makes one think they have to be getting paid to post the bullshit they deliver...IM2 is a perfect example of one of those!...and so is OldLady....mind dead robots of the left!

 

[MAGAman]

The Democrats stoop to an all time low. They are not to smart. Now hear-say is ok. Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say. Democrats trying to trample on the Constitution again. Do they think Americans will let this happen and just stand by while the Democrats ( racist pieces of shit) try to get away with it. Obviously the Demtards are Ill informed.


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How do you call it hearsay when you have the official transcript of the President's words in that conversation?
Cat's outta the bag. Maybe the whistleblower didn't hear it first hand, but it proved to be accurate and we've got the evidence. It is right in front of your nose and Trump World is busy distracting you with all sorts of nonsense about whether the complaint applies (too late, sorry) and if the Dems and the Intelligence Agencies conspired to bring this complaint forward by changing their rules (which is fuzzy bullshit) and Schiff lied on tv (which he didn't) ....
it will go on and on and you're buying it hook, line and sinker.

The official transcript calls you a liar.

Biden obstructed justice.

Trump sought justice.

Game over. You lose again.

 

[The Purge]

The Democrats stoop to an all time low. They are not to smart. Now hear-say is ok. Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say. Democrats trying to trample on the Constitution again. Do they think Americans will let this happen and just stand by while the Democrats ( racist pieces of shit) try to get away with it. Obviously the Demtards are Ill informed.


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How do you call it hearsay when you have the official transcript of the President's words in that conversation?
Cat's outta the bag. Maybe the whistleblower didn't hear it first hand, but it proved to be accurate and we've got the evidence. It is right in front of your nose and Trump World is busy distracting you with all sorts of nonsense about whether the complaint applies (too late, sorry) and if the Dems and the Intelligence Agencies conspired to bring this complaint forward by changing their rules (which is fuzzy bullshit) and Schiff lied on tv (which he didn't) ....
it will go on and on and you're buying it hook, line and sinker.

Where in that transcript did Trump mention Biden, it was the PM of Ukraine that brought his name into anything said....FIND IT FOR US!...

 

[Olde Europe]

Where in that transcript did Trump mention Biden, it was the PM of Ukraine that brought his name into anything said....FIND IT FOR US!...

What?

Here's the first mentions of "Biden" in that so-called "transcript":

The President [Trump]: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.​

That would be three times in just one utterance, and none before.

Rightards are lying whenever they are touching their keyboards.

 

[Olde Europe]

Barr is probably worried about his own reputation at this point, since he's been implicated in this mess.

You watched Barr lie about the Mueller report. Also, he was mentioned several times in the whistleblower complaint, and thus he should have recused himself, immediately, from anything Ukraine, but didn't. And you actually think he's now suddenly starting to worry about his "reputation". Because I find, what ever reputation he may have had has long gone down the drain, not to be missed by that spineless Trump sycophant.

 

[bripat9643]

Barr is probably worried about his own reputation at this point, since he's been implicated in this mess.

You watched Barr lie about the Mueller report. Also, he was mentioned several times in the whistleblower complaint, and thus he should have recused himself, immediately, from anything Ukraine, but didn't. And you actually think he's now suddenly starting to worry about his "reputation". Because I find, what ever reputation he may have had has long gone down the drain, not to be missed by that spineless Trump sycophant.

If Barr lied about the Mueller report, then why didn't Mueller say so? He was even given a chance to edit the document.

 

[Oddball]

The Democrats stoop to an all time low. They are not to smart. Now hear-say is ok. Let’s see what the Supreme Court has to say. Democrats trying to trample on the Constitution again. Do they think Americans will let this happen and just stand by while the Democrats ( racist pieces of shit) try to get away with it. Obviously the Demtards are Ill informed.


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This is not hear say.

It was denoted as such in the original report, which came from CNN no less, bird brain.