[WATCH] California Docs Say Lockdown vs. Non-Lockdown 'Did Not Produce a Statistically Different Number of Deaths'

[Billy_Bob]

Did those doctors graduate from Trump U.?

Do you have a scientific refutation of their hypothesis or are you one those "listen to the science" guys who only accept the science you agree with?

Yes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/01/lockdown-coronavirus-california-data/

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California is the empirical evidence that the lockdown has worked.

South Dakota has no lock down. They have less deaths per million than California.

You're missing the entire point here and demonstrating what I said to Berg.

South Dakota has A LOT fewer people. Like Wyoming, they are socially distant by default. And they are not a shining example.

South Dakota: Latest updates on coronavirus

Here's an update on the coronavirus case counts in South Dakota and the latest news on the COVID-19 outbreak.

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Several major meat processing plants across South Dakota have shut down as workers fall ill with COVID-19, raising concerns about a possible shortage of beef, poultry and pork in supermarkets, the Associated Press reported April 13. The Smithfield Foods plant in Sioux Falls, which is now the fourth-largest coronavirus hotspot in the United States, produces about 5% of the nation's pork supply.​

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SD ranks 47th for population but had one the fourth largest outbreaks. That seems like a fail.

Epic fail...

We dealt with people from Denver who were infected and infected many here in Wyoming. We used the medications that Trump was talking about and lowered our hospital stays by over half and we used them early in people who remained home confined. By doing what we did we have a very good control of what is happening. Its how we dealt with the problems that made the difference.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

I've been on lock-down since February and I haven't gotten sick.

Good.

Stay locked down.

Never come out.

Ever

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Did those doctors graduate from Trump U.?

Do you have a scientific refutation of their hypothesis or are you one those "listen to the science" guys who only accept the science you agree with?

Yes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/01/lockdown-coronavirus-california-data/

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California is the empirical evidence that the lockdown has worked.

Please provide your data.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Are they speaking as doctors or as business owners? ... these two have boat payments overdue and with revenue tanking they're going to get foreclosed on ... sad but true ... they should publish their finding in JAMA, as PJ Media isn't known for scientific accuracy ...

Not that I disagree ... yet ... it's too soon to tell ... and I agree these lock-down orders weren't meant to lower infection and death numbers, but rather to stretch the contagion out a longer period of time ... hospitals are sitting empty waiting for huge influxes of Covid-19 patients which doesn't appear to be happening ...

The Sweden/Norway comparison is flawed ... I'm assuming Swedish media is covering the pandemic, and that Swedes are taking it seriously by social distancing, not spitting in each other's mouths and not going out to bars and clubs quite as much ... both countries still have the social custom of WASHING THEIR HANDS regularly ... a thing lost here in the United States ...

How is it flawed.

Sweden didn't lockdown.

What are you saying.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Did those doctors graduate from Trump U.?

Thank you for that nugget of left wing stupidity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"Sweden didn't lockdown"

And has a very statistically significantly higher number of deaths and infection rate than their immediate neighbors that DID lockdown. Does it get any more plain than this? The trump cultists will say ANYTHING.

 

[bripat9643]

I've been on lock-down since February and I haven't gotten sick.

Neither have plenty of others who haven't.

That just defies common sense. How do you think we’ve flattened the curve? The less people you come into contact with the less chance of anyone transmitting the virus to you. The fact that you’re arguing different means you’re retarded.

They're conservatives. Logic is beyond their ken, and common sense is rare as hen's teeth in conservatives.

 

[bripat9643]

"Sweden didn't lockdown"

And has a very statistically significantly higher number of deaths and infection rate than their immediate neighbors that DID lockdown. Does it get any more plain than this? The trump cultists will say ANYTHING.

Sweden has fewer deaths per capita than the United States and many European countries.

Furthermore, it's not enough to matter, and in the long run the total number of per capita deaths will be the same. In the meantime, they won't have destroyed their economy.

Trump haters will say anything.

 

[ReinyDays]

How is it flawed.
Sweden didn't lockdown.
What are you saying.

Doesn't Sweden have a nation health care system? ... then it's a flawed comparison against a for-profit business ...

 

[bripat9643]

Slowing the process of herd immunity also gives the virus time to mutate within the population rather than rapidly stopping it in its tracks. So we get it more, later, worse.

Sorry, but that is just about the dumbest thing I have read about all this. "Slowing herd immunity" means fewer cases, which means fewer copies of the virus. The mutation rate is completely dependent on the number of copies of the virus.

The total number of people will be the same because by the time this is over, anyone who can get it will get it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

How is it flawed.
Sweden didn't lockdown.
What are you saying.

Doesn't Sweden have a nation health care system? ... then it's a flawed comparison against a for-profit business ...

I am not an expert...but don't Sweden and Norway have the same kind of systems.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's not enough to matter, and in the long run the total number of per capita deaths will be the same

Madeup nonsense. Are you trying to convince yourself? Of course deaths will be reduced as we learn about the virus and develop better treatments, if hospitals are not overwhelmed (ensuring everyone gets proper treatment), and when people dont get infected who would have been infected, due to reducing the rate of transmission.


Why do you always do this to yourself? You just make shit up when you are on the spot, and it is invariably wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

How is it flawed.
Sweden didn't lockdown.
What are you saying.

Doesn't Sweden have a nation health care system? ... then it's a flawed comparison against a for-profit business ...

Doesn't that mean, according to Trump hating morons like you, that it should have fewer deaths?

 

[bripat9643]

It's not enough to matter, and in the long run the total number of per capita deaths will be the same

Madeup nonsense. Are you trying to convince yourself? Of course deaths will be reduced as we learn about the virus and develop better treatments, if hospitals are not overwhelmed (ensuring everyone gets proper treatment), and when people dont get infected who would have been infected, due to reducing the rate of transmission.


Why do you always do this to yourself? You just make shit up when you are on the spot, and it is invariably wrong.

The lockdown will not keep a single person from contracting the virus. It will only slow the rate at which people get it. That's what "flattening the curve" means. That's what Fauci's chart shows. The area under each curve. The difference lies in the height of the curve and it's length over time.

More Dr. Fauci Nonsense: Social Distancing (Lock-down) Will Continue Until New Coronavirus Cases Cease….​

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The concept of “flattening” the virus curve; the presumptive reason for social distancing and shutting down the U.S. economy; is based on a theory to extend the spread of COVID-19 to a lesser incident rate over a longer duration, thereby lessening the burden on the U.S. healthcare system. Hence, ‘flatten’ the spike in infections.​

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Put another way: “Flattening” means the same number of people eventually contract the virus, only they do so over a longer period of time, and the healthcare system can treat everyone because the numbers do not rise to level where the system is overloaded. In theory that seems to make sense.​

 

[bripat9643]

I've been on lock-down since February and I haven't gotten sick.

Good.

Stay locked down.

Never come out.

Ever

If only they would lock down their mouths.

 

[bripat9643]

For those of you ignorant TDS morons who didn't get the message: The lockdown will not stop a single person from getting corona virus. All it does is slowdown the rate at which people become infected. It was implemented only to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, and that outcome is clearly no longer a possibility.

[WATCH] California Docs Say Lockdown vs. Non-Lockdown 'Did Not Produce a Statistically Different Number of Deaths'​

On Wednesday Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, who own seven Accelerated Urgent Care facilities in Kern County, Calif., gave a press conference to local media. They extrapolated from their own COVID-19 data, along with data sets nationwide and globally. Using this data, their own medical knowledge and information gathered from conversations with their colleagues around the country, they presented a compelling case, which included unreported health risks related to sheltering in place, for ending the severe shutdowns.​

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Both doctors understand and support the initial reactions to the COVID-19 outbreak by the federal, state and local governments. It was a novel virus and there was very limited information. However, now they assert that the data is telling them that the disease pattern of COVID-19 is more like the flu. Dr. Erickson phrased it this way, “Millions of cases, a small number of deaths.” He specifically noted that the difference in the number of deaths between Sweden, with limited restrictions, and Norway, which locked down, is not statistically significant.​

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"Lockdown versus non-lockdown did not produce a statistically different number of deaths. That is the bottom line," said Erickson.​

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Throughout the briefing he emphasized that decision making going forward needs to be based on data, not predictive models. This echoes comments made by Dr. Anthony Fauci during press briefings. And we have all watched the predictive models be radically adjusted as actual data has been loaded into them.​

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Their data extrapolations, using a method similar to the one the CDC uses for influenza, suggest that death rates for COVID-19 are similar to those for the flu. According to their analysis, both Kern County and the state of California have likely experienced a widespread viral infection.​

By the way, these two jokers are the laughingstock of the scientific community right now. Ya got fooled again, ya gullible goober.

Says who? I'm certain they are the targets of intense ridicule by Trump hating morons like you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

lockdown will not keep a single person from contracting the virus. I

Yeah, i stopped there. You're a fucking idiot.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Says who?

Scientists and doctors, of course. If you step outside your right wing bubble and look for them, several ethical, responsible scientists have published thorough debunks of these jerks. But you wont.

 

[bripat9643]

lockdown will not keep a single person from contracting the virus. I

Yeah, i stopped there. You're a fucking idiot.

 

[bodecea]

For those of you ignorant TDS morons who didn't get the message: The lockdown will not stop a single person from getting corona virus. All it does is slowdown the rate at which people become infected. It was implemented only to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, and that outcome is clearly no longer a possibility.

[WATCH] California Docs Say Lockdown vs. Non-Lockdown 'Did Not Produce a Statistically Different Number of Deaths'​

On Wednesday Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, who own seven Accelerated Urgent Care facilities in Kern County, Calif., gave a press conference to local media. They extrapolated from their own COVID-19 data, along with data sets nationwide and globally. Using this data, their own medical knowledge and information gathered from conversations with their colleagues around the country, they presented a compelling case, which included unreported health risks related to sheltering in place, for ending the severe shutdowns.​

​

Both doctors understand and support the initial reactions to the COVID-19 outbreak by the federal, state and local governments. It was a novel virus and there was very limited information. However, now they assert that the data is telling them that the disease pattern of COVID-19 is more like the flu. Dr. Erickson phrased it this way, “Millions of cases, a small number of deaths.” He specifically noted that the difference in the number of deaths between Sweden, with limited restrictions, and Norway, which locked down, is not statistically significant.​

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"Lockdown versus non-lockdown did not produce a statistically different number of deaths. That is the bottom line," said Erickson.​

​

Throughout the briefing he emphasized that decision making going forward needs to be based on data, not predictive models. This echoes comments made by Dr. Anthony Fauci during press briefings. And we have all watched the predictive models be radically adjusted as actual data has been loaded into them.​

​

Their data extrapolations, using a method similar to the one the CDC uses for influenza, suggest that death rates for COVID-19 are similar to those for the flu. According to their analysis, both Kern County and the state of California have likely experienced a widespread viral infection.​

They were in it for the money.