Washington Post audio of Trump berating and threatening Georgia Secretary of State for not "finding" votes to change election result. Sedition?

sounds just like your Russian Collusion bullshit
There's a audio tape, genius.


Wasn't that kind of the POTUS to record his own conversation doing something newsworthy then to freely give it out to CBS?

Oh wait, someone ELSE was recording the POTUS on the phone then clandestinely leaked it out to CBS!

Amazing how the media can find time to do that but no time to review proof of the election fraud!

The real story here is how a president is being spied on and sabotaged from the inside out. First they stole the election he won and now they are trying to undermine every effort to get it back.

People should be shot for treason for this. The DOJ should fine CBS ten million dollars for every day until they reveal their source while revoking their license to broadcast for a year.
Dude, Trump's been to a 100 courts with his election fraud bs.


Its been more like 60. But even if it was 600, the real issue here is that in every one, his case and evidence have been blocked from being examined, tested and proven in every one.

Joe Biden is the Media-elect winner of NOTHING.

America is the Chicken-shit nation of no laws and no integrity.
 
He would have provided all the proof he has of his claims of fraud. Instead he said he didn't need to provide any proof.

The cheaters are trump and those who are helping him to cheat.

Trump has all the evidence that his legal team has of voter fraud.
Trump has all the evidence that the FBI has of voter fraud.
Trump has all the evidence that the DOJ has of voter fraud.

And sadly, that just proves there's no evidence or Trump would have produced it.




Yes.

If trump actually had proof of fraud he would have given it to the SOS of Georgia. It's his job to find that fraud and refer it to the proper authorities for prosecution.

If trump actually had proof he would have shared it with the republican SOS of Georgia to work together with the SOS of Georgia to expose it and correct the vote count.

That is the only thing a person would do if they actually believed what they were saying.

trump would want the SOS of Georgia to work with him not fight with him.

If there was real proof trump would have very quickly and happily provided it to the one person in Georgia who can take the steps to correct the vote count.

Yet trump didn't do any of those things.
 
Yet, you most likely turn a blind eye to Biden's graft....Why is that?
Because it's a RWNJ fantasy

GAFAW! What?!!!! fantasy? the FBI doesn't investigate fantasies....

Of course they do. The FBI has been investigating all of the Republican fantasies that the Clintons are criminals, for decades, and found NOTHING. Republicans have completely politicized FBI investigations against Democrats, and yet it's mostly the Republicans who keep going to jail when the FBI investigates.

Ha! bullshit....Good grief you are full of it....Thank God Canada has you....

When you can't refute the post, you attack the poster. Just like when Republicans can't run on their records, they smear the opposition with baseless claims that the other side is "corrupt". It worked on Hillary because Republicans have spent 30 years demonizing and lying about the Clintons, but it didn't work on Joe Biden, at all.

Fool me once, shame on you . . . . But also, because Trump has a record to run on, and so does Joe, and Joe's record on reviving a crashed economy, is a whole lot better than Dumb Donald's, and DD is the guy who crashed it in the first place.

Every other first world country has managed to control the virus and NOT crash their economies. In fact, controlled the virus has been central to our success in not crashing our economy. We don't have to pay for hundreds of millions of tests, or for extended hospital stays for the 20% of people who test positive and require acute care.

Your economy is crashed, your people are dying, and you want to keep the man responsible for this mess in power. Why?
Why??? Because they are fucking nuts. Isn't that beyond obvious?
 
White House tried calling Georgia 18 times...

Systemic voter fraud is a Republican issue...

1) There's NO reason for trump to call Georgia. The results have been certified and the federal government has no business even talking to state election officials about it's results. What's the purpose of the call to begin with? You have evidence? Go to court!

2) Between one drop off box per country (Harris County, TX - 1 box for 4.7 million people) and a purging of black votes in Hancock County, GA. RepubliCONs are corrupt pieces of shit.
 
Trump Sues Georgia Secretary Of State Over Leaked Phone Call


Trump Sues Georgia Secretary Of State Over Leaked Phone Call (thepalmierireport.com)
by : Jacob Palmieri

President Trump has filed two lawsuits against Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger over a leaked phone call obtained and published by the Washington Post on Sunday, in which Trump badgered the Georgia official over election fraud.

David Shafer on Twitter: "The audio published by @TheWashingtonPost is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law." / Twitter

Dinesh D'Souza on Twitter: "I’m not making a threat, but rather simply saying a fact, when I say that any Republican member of the House or Senate who refuses to object to election fraud next week is basically finished as a leader in the Republican Party. Time to start packing!" / Twitter



Comment:
This could be the case that unravels the Georgia-Democrat-Abrams-Biden scheme to steal the state away from our president. Once this case is decided, all the other states will go for Trump on January 6th.
Hmm..., Leaked to the Washington Post, owned by Bezos who also owns Amazon where 90% of their merchandise is made in China.
Surely, Brad Raffensperger must realize that he has no future in Georgia electoral politics, especially with the GOP. Is he trying to ingratiate himself to the Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrats and the ChiComs? ...To whom or both? What is this idiot’s game plan?
Had Raffensperger completed a full and impartial audit and opened his ballots and machines to forensic analysis, he wouldn't be crying about the phone call.
Fulton County alone should be enough to turn the State, after being given a lawful order to Audit their vote, instead 4 hours later they were shredding the ballots they were required to audit.
To equate the President’s call with a pestering the SoS (POS) with minutia is beyond disrespect. In fact, it was the President being loyal to his oath on office, “To defend and protect the Constitution of the United States of America”

OH NOES!! :laugh2:

Per O.C.G.A. 16-11-66, you can record a telephone conversation in Georgia if youare a party to the conversation (on the phone). The recording will typically be admissible evidence at any hearing or trial.
Rightards never learn.
thats funny,, you think republicans are rightwing,,,
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?
The Washington Compost. A left wing rag. Of course we should all believe what that rag says. LOL
Dumbfuck, who cares if you believe them or not. We now have Trump's phone call with Georgia's Secretary of State which confirms the WP article.
 
Yet, you most likely turn a blind eye to Biden's graft....Why is that?
Because it's a RWNJ fantasy

GAFAW! What?!!!! fantasy? the FBI doesn't investigate fantasies....

Of course they do. The FBI has been investigating all of the Republican fantasies that the Clintons are criminals, for decades, and found NOTHING. Republicans have completely politicized FBI investigations against Democrats, and yet it's mostly the Republicans who keep going to jail when the FBI investigates.

Ha! bullshit....Good grief you are full of it....Thank God Canada has you....

When you can't refute the post, you attack the poster. Just like when Republicans can't run on their records, they smear the opposition with baseless claims that the other side is "corrupt". It worked on Hillary because Republicans have spent 30 years demonizing and lying about the Clintons, but it didn't work on Joe Biden, at all.

Fool me once, shame on you . . . . But also, because Trump has a record to run on, and so does Joe, and Joe's record on reviving a crashed economy, is a whole lot better than Dumb Donald's, and DD is the guy who crashed it in the first place.

Every other first world country has managed to control the virus and NOT crash their economies. In fact, controlled the virus has been central to our success in not crashing our economy. We don't have to pay for hundreds of millions of tests, or for extended hospital stays for the 20% of people who test positive and require acute care.

Your economy is crashed, your people are dying, and you want to keep the man responsible for this mess in power. Why?
Why??? Because they are fucking nuts. Isn't that beyond obvious?
But "fucking nuts" is not a reason. One person can have a delusion via mental illness, but not a lot of people sharing the same delusion. Jonestown was an example of shared delusion, as was maybe Waco. (Though maybe the FBI gave them a logical reason to believe they were going to be killed)

Why do people think Obama is not an American? Why do people persist in thinking wearing a mask does not reduce the chance the person going maskless will infect others?

They don't like have a black person as president. They find masks inconvenient and they are selfish.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?
america isnt a democracy you stupid fuck,,,
Dumbfuck, Georgia is a democracy and Impeached Trump threatened Georgia's Secretary of State with "vague criminal consequences" to "find" enough votes to overturn the will of Georgia's voters.
Funny how none of you libtards can quote the threat.
LOL

Nah, what's funny is that you're a raging imbecile.

"I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they’re brand new, and they don’t have seals, and there’s a whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt. And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal — it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know, what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk." ~ Impeached Trump
Cool.

Where is the threat, Dumbass?
"That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer." ~ Impeached Trump
Cool.

Where it the threat by EXONERATED TRUMP?
Dumbfuck, that's a threat of "vague criminal consequences." It's not my problem you lack the required intelligence to comprehend that.
It is?

You have quite the imagination.
It is. Telling someone they're at "risk" of committing a "criminal offense," which could result in incarceration, is absolutely a threat of "vague criminal consequences." But don't fret, I don't expect someone of your vacuity to understand that. Just go resume your utopia of snacking on paint chips dipped in mercury.
Odd.

I don't see anything about "incarceration" in the quote you provided.

The fact you continue to make up shit exposes how weak your position is, Moron.

You lose again, Fawnboi. :banana: :laughing0301: :banana: :laughing0301:
LOLOL

Are you ever not a dumbfuck? Ever???

I mean exactly how retarded are you to not know that committing crime produces a risk of incarceration?? :ack-1:
Hey stupid, Georgia has no mandatory reporting law regarding election crimes. So it isn't illegal to ignore any election law violation.

As such, there is no punishment, much less incarceration.

Do you ever get tired of me exposing what a colossal moron you are?

You lose again, Fawnboi. :banana: :laughing0301: :banana: :laughing0301:
Dumbfuck, Impeached Trump accused Raffensperger of committing a crime. Committing a crime produces the risk of incarceration.
What crime? Cite the statute that covers not reporting election fraud, and cite the penalties.

This will be fun.............

GO!
Once again Faun has no answer.

Typical.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?
He just pulled a Biden, urkraine style. Nothing to see, right?

You must be ignorant of US foreign policy with regard to Ukraine.. The UN was also on board.
He threatened a government official that he better fire a prosecuter investigating his son. Trump asked them to look into it and got impeached for it.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?
america isnt a democracy you stupid fuck,,,
Dumbfuck, Georgia is a democracy and Impeached Trump threatened Georgia's Secretary of State with "vague criminal consequences" to "find" enough votes to overturn the will of Georgia's voters.
Funny how none of you libtards can quote the threat.
LOL

Nah, what's funny is that you're a raging imbecile.

"I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they’re brand new, and they don’t have seals, and there’s a whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt. And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal — it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know, what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk." ~ Impeached Trump
Cool.

Where is the threat, Dumbass?
"That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer." ~ Impeached Trump
Cool.

Where it the threat by EXONERATED TRUMP?
Dumbfuck, that's a threat of "vague criminal consequences." It's not my problem you lack the required intelligence to comprehend that.
It is?

You have quite the imagination.
It is. Telling someone they're at "risk" of committing a "criminal offense," which could result in incarceration, is absolutely a threat of "vague criminal consequences." But don't fret, I don't expect someone of your vacuity to understand that. Just go resume your utopia of snacking on paint chips dipped in mercury.
Odd.

I don't see anything about "incarceration" in the quote you provided.

The fact you continue to make up shit exposes how weak your position is, Moron.

You lose again, Fawnboi. :banana: :laughing0301: :banana: :laughing0301:
LOLOL

Are you ever not a dumbfuck? Ever???

I mean exactly how retarded are you to not know that committing crime produces a risk of incarceration?? :ack-1:
Hey stupid, Georgia has no mandatory reporting law regarding election crimes. So it isn't illegal to ignore any election law violation.

As such, there is no punishment, much less incarceration.

Do you ever get tired of me exposing what a colossal moron you are?

You lose again, Fawnboi. :banana: :laughing0301: :banana: :laughing0301:
Dumbfuck, Impeached Trump accused Raffensperger of committing a crime. Committing a crime produces the risk of incarceration.
What crime? Cite the statute that covers not reporting election fraud, and cite the penalties.

This will be fun.............

GO!
Once again Faun has no answer.

Typical.
But you didn't ask a substantive question. Faun posted that Trump was trying to subvert a democratic vote by individual GA citizens.
 
Once again, President Trump has been proven RIGHT:

Georgia’s Secretary of State Raffensperger Certified Georgia’s 2020 Election Results Knowing 460,000 Ballots Were Missing Legally Required Chain of Custody Documentation

Joe Biden was 'awarded' Georgia by having less than 12,000 more votes than President Trump...

More than 100,000 ballots have been identified as changed from Trump to Biden, out-of-state voters, ineligible voters (residents who had not been in the state for the required minimum 60 days prior to voting), dead people, votes run through the machines/counted more than once, ballot signatures not matching that on the voter registration cards / records, etc...

While more than 100,000 ballots in question and Biden only having less than a 12,000 vote lead, Ga Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger Certified the election for Biden.

Had this been reversed and Ga had been Certified for trump under these same conditions the left would be rioting, looting, burning, assaulting, raping, murdering, etc... in protest.


 
There is nothing illegal here.... dumb? yes. Heresay? yes
WIth all of this - obviously what is being ignored is we have two state officials who recorded a conversation with the President so they could give or sell it to the media.
It wasn't leaked. It was provided.
Is that illegal?
Have you looked at Georgia and Federal laws related to it?

If a democratic president had done what he did, would you be defending the Democratic president that lost his second term, for the same actions as Trump has done?
Yep. I would. You will never find one post from me discussing impeaching Obama. I thought the WJC impeachment was stupid too. Trump is done in less than three weeks. Who will you blame for all your ills then? Scapegoat will be long gone. Issues will still be here.

Trump is a criminal. Do we accept that?
In America you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Do we still accept that?
Only in court. If you did it, you are guilty whether it can be proved or not.
I guess you live in a different version of America than I do since here the courts determine guilt and or innocence.
These are the same people who like to say Hillary Clinton has never done anything wrong.
It's laughable
Wrong and criminal are vastly different. Wrong/Right is subjective. Criminal is objective.
Everyone knows the intent was corrupt. It will be added to his corrupt legacy.
Everyone? Every singe person in the world?


Trump does that often.. He says. "Everyone hates you or everyone is angry with you."
It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:
Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?
It's a hoot how your idiot-mesmerizing press omits facts that support President Trump but plan, edit, and publish lying lies that Demmies rejoice in that were actually the sins of the Clinton war room, George Soros, and rich tricksters who cheated other people out of their intellectual properties, then turned around making billions off someone else's brain trust, and if it feels good it's a drug for gullible people who fall for lies that will bury the Constitution in commie hands. Commies make laws that lead to mass murders of peaceful dissenters. Its proponents don't want even a whisper of opposition, by any means possible including slavery, justice only for themselves, death to dissenters.

Too lazy to move to a real communist society, today's communists prefer telling sweet nothings and cheating at the polls by insider deep state operators with preplanned silencers of the truth. With support of the ignorant and preaching Alinskies tried and true methods, they fool most of the people most of the time usurping thespian tricks to make cheap mush seem like caviar to the unchary.

Poor Trump.. He's been a victim for 40 years.
Hyperbole is Trump's calling card. Still to me he was a very good President.

That he was. In his four years he did great for this country and you can bet Biden will undo it all. This country was in great shape before the very convenient Chinese Virus hit. We sure won't get that greatness back with Biden at the helm.

If that jack ass gets in we will have four years of misery in this country and those that voted for his stupid as will be regretting it big time.

God willing, no nation will ever elect another white nationalist as their leader. The damage done by Donald Trump will take generations to undo, especially the transfer of wealth to the top 10%.

The USA is definitely finished as the leader of the free world. The risk of you electing another white supremecist with authoritarian tendencies, one who is either smarter or better able to wield the levers of power is much too great.

Trump has done nothing but aid, abet and facilitate the rise of China and Putin throughout his 4 years in office. Just as the west was pulling Iran away from Putin's influence, Trump ended the treaty, and attacked Iran on multiple occasions just for good measure, to ensure the Mullahs would never again trust the west, ensuring Putin's alliance was safe.

In failing to sanction Russia, Trump allowed Russia to sell its gas to the EU, saving Putin from economic ruin, and allowing Trump to whine about the EU failing to honor US sanctions. Win/win for both Trump and Putin.

In tearing up the nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia, on the grounds that Russia wasn't complying, instead of applying sanctions under the treaty to stop the violations, Trump freed Putin to develop and build his nuclear arsenal. Win for Putin.

Up until Trump decided to politicize covid and blame the Chinese for it, he was praising Xi for his "transparency" with the west to fight it. After all, Xi helped Trump's re-election campaign by signing that sham "Interim trade deal" that gave Trump a big PR victory and the American people in general and farmers in particular, nothing.

I've read enough of what passes for discussions of business, law and economics on this forum to fully understand how ignorant the posters here are to any of these issues. They just parrot whatever party line the Republican Party and the Billionaire Right Wing media is telling them on all things economic.

The one thing none of you people has ever once mentioned is the economic cost of letting the virus run unchecked in your country: how much does it cost to test 253 million people? We've done half the number of tests per million of population, and since we went with the easy to use WHO test, our tests are a whole lot cheaper and more accurate than the wild west of testing in the USA.

Then there's the cases per million of population. Yours are four times what ours are, hence you have many more hospitalizations and deaths. How much is this costing your municipal hospitals? Your private insurance companies? These are economic costs that are being paid out with the 30+% of administration costs instact, which is a further drain on your economy.

Other countries quashed the virus in the spring, allowing our people to get back to work over the summer. We're shut down now to stop the spread of virus so we can all get back to work and school. Keeping our people fed and housed in the meantime is our focus.
 
But you didn't ask a substantive question. Faun posted that Trump was trying to subvert a democratic vote by individual GA citizens.

Nice irrational hatred-driven OPINION, sparky. What Trump was asking for was for the Ga official to do his job fairly by finding and counting every LEGAL ballot that should be counted. Again, over 100,000 ballots were either illegally counted, votes were switched, or thrown away / not counted....yet Georgia’s Secretary of State Raffensperger Certified Georgia’s 2020 Election Results for Biden who 'won' with less than a 12,000 vote lead.

This was the final and 1st successful Leftist Coup attempt in 4 years.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?
The Washington Compost. A left wing rag. Of course we should all believe what that rag says. LOL
Dumbfuck, who cares if you believe them or not. We now have Trump's phone call with Georgia's Secretary of State which confirms the WP article.

Good to know you believe the Compost. Only a gullible idiot would.

Baaa
 
There is nothing illegal here.... dumb? yes. Heresay? yes
WIth all of this - obviously what is being ignored is we have two state officials who recorded a conversation with the President so they could give or sell it to the media.
It wasn't leaked. It was provided.
Is that illegal?
Have you looked at Georgia and Federal laws related to it?

If a democratic president had done what he did, would you be defending the Democratic president that lost his second term, for the same actions as Trump has done?
Yep. I would. You will never find one post from me discussing impeaching Obama. I thought the WJC impeachment was stupid too. Trump is done in less than three weeks. Who will you blame for all your ills then? Scapegoat will be long gone. Issues will still be here.

Trump is a criminal. Do we accept that?
In America you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Do we still accept that?
Only in court. If you did it, you are guilty whether it can be proved or not.
I guess you live in a different version of America than I do since here the courts determine guilt and or innocence.
These are the same people who like to say Hillary Clinton has never done anything wrong.
It's laughable
Wrong and criminal are vastly different. Wrong/Right is subjective. Criminal is objective.
Everyone knows the intent was corrupt. It will be added to his corrupt legacy.
Everyone? Every singe person in the world?


Trump does that often.. He says. "Everyone hates you or everyone is angry with you."
It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:
Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?
It's a hoot how your idiot-mesmerizing press omits facts that support President Trump but plan, edit, and publish lying lies that Demmies rejoice in that were actually the sins of the Clinton war room, George Soros, and rich tricksters who cheated other people out of their intellectual properties, then turned around making billions off someone else's brain trust, and if it feels good it's a drug for gullible people who fall for lies that will bury the Constitution in commie hands. Commies make laws that lead to mass murders of peaceful dissenters. Its proponents don't want even a whisper of opposition, by any means possible including slavery, justice only for themselves, death to dissenters.

Too lazy to move to a real communist society, today's communists prefer telling sweet nothings and cheating at the polls by insider deep state operators with preplanned silencers of the truth. With support of the ignorant and preaching Alinskies tried and true methods, they fool most of the people most of the time usurping thespian tricks to make cheap mush seem like caviar to the unchary.

Poor Trump.. He's been a victim for 40 years.
Hyperbole is Trump's calling card. Still to me he was a very good President.

That he was. In his four years he did great for this country and you can bet Biden will undo it all. This country was in great shape before the very convenient Chinese Virus hit. We sure won't get that greatness back with Biden at the helm.

If that jack ass gets in we will have four years of misery in this country and those that voted for his stupid as will be regretting it big time.

God willing, no nation will ever elect another white nationalist as their leader. The damage done by Donald Trump will take generations to undo, especially the transfer of wealth to the top 10%.

The USA is definitely finished as the leader of the free world. The risk of you electing another white supremecist with authoritarian tendencies, one who is either smarter or better able to wield the levers of power is much too great.

Trump has done nothing but aid, abet and facilitate the rise of China and Putin throughout his 4 years in office. Just as the west was pulling Iran away from Putin's influence, Trump ended the treaty, and attacked Iran on multiple occasions just for good measure, to ensure the Mullahs would never again trust the west, ensuring Putin's alliance was safe.

In failing to sanction Russia, Trump allowed Russia to sell its gas to the EU, saving Putin from economic ruin, and allowing Trump to whine about the EU failing to honor US sanctions. Win/win for both Trump and Putin.

In tearing up the nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia, on the grounds that Russia wasn't complying, instead of applying sanctions under the treaty to stop the violations, Trump freed Putin to develop and build his nuclear arsenal. Win for Putin.

Up until Trump decided to politicize covid and blame the Chinese for it, he was praising Xi for his "transparency" with the west to fight it. After all, Xi helped Trump's re-election campaign by signing that sham "Interim trade deal" that gave Trump a big PR victory and the American people in general and farmers in particular, nothing.

I've read enough of what passes for discussions of business, law and economics on this forum to fully understand how ignorant the posters here are to any of these issues. They just parrot whatever party line the Republican Party and the Billionaire Right Wing media is telling them on all things economic.

The one thing none of you people has ever once mentioned is the economic cost of letting the virus run unchecked in your country: how much does it cost to test 253 million people? We've done half the number of tests per million of population, and since we went with the easy to use WHO test, our tests are a whole lot cheaper and more accurate than the wild west of testing in the USA.

Then there's the cases per million of population. Yours are four times what ours are, hence you have many more hospitalizations and deaths. How much is this costing your municipal hospitals? Your private insurance companies? These are economic costs that are being paid out with the 30+% of administration costs instact, which is a further drain on your economy.

Other countries quashed the virus in the spring, allowing our people to get back to work over the summer. We're shut down now to stop the spread of virus so we can all get back to work and school. Keeping our people fed and housed in the meantime is our focus.

He's an American Nationalist just like millions of other American.

Go inflict your stupid ass on Canada. Oh wait. They probably don't want you. Never mind.
 
There is nothing illegal here.... dumb? yes. Heresay? yes
WIth all of this - obviously what is being ignored is we have two state officials who recorded a conversation with the President so they could give or sell it to the media.
It wasn't leaked. It was provided.
Is that illegal?
Have you looked at Georgia and Federal laws related to it?

If a democratic president had done what he did, would you be defending the Democratic president that lost his second term, for the same actions as Trump has done?
Yep. I would. You will never find one post from me discussing impeaching Obama. I thought the WJC impeachment was stupid too. Trump is done in less than three weeks. Who will you blame for all your ills then? Scapegoat will be long gone. Issues will still be here.

Trump is a criminal. Do we accept that?
In America you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Do we still accept that?
Only in court. If you did it, you are guilty whether it can be proved or not.
I guess you live in a different version of America than I do since here the courts determine guilt and or innocence.
These are the same people who like to say Hillary Clinton has never done anything wrong.
It's laughable
Wrong and criminal are vastly different. Wrong/Right is subjective. Criminal is objective.
Everyone knows the intent was corrupt. It will be added to his corrupt legacy.
Everyone? Every singe person in the world?


Trump does that often.. He says. "Everyone hates you or everyone is angry with you."
It can't be too comfortable to tell the President that he's full of shit:
Or that he and Brian Kemp are stealing Trump blind. He's busy stealing votes from Trump while
Trump is asking him to find some.

Raffensperger and Kemp are two rino republicans who sunk millions into Dominion vote stealing machines
for the entire state who should actually be in jail for election fraud, of which there is much in Georgia.

It's a hoot that all you folks crying over the past two months over election irregularities can't present anything but innuendo and then when it hits you in your face you're in denial. Tell us, in all the manual recounts of paper ballots conducted where did they come up with a descrepancy caused by those Dominion voting machines?
It's a hoot how your idiot-mesmerizing press omits facts that support President Trump but plan, edit, and publish lying lies that Demmies rejoice in that were actually the sins of the Clinton war room, George Soros, and rich tricksters who cheated other people out of their intellectual properties, then turned around making billions off someone else's brain trust, and if it feels good it's a drug for gullible people who fall for lies that will bury the Constitution in commie hands. Commies make laws that lead to mass murders of peaceful dissenters. Its proponents don't want even a whisper of opposition, by any means possible including slavery, justice only for themselves, death to dissenters.

Too lazy to move to a real communist society, today's communists prefer telling sweet nothings and cheating at the polls by insider deep state operators with preplanned silencers of the truth. With support of the ignorant and preaching Alinskies tried and true methods, they fool most of the people most of the time usurping thespian tricks to make cheap mush seem like caviar to the unchary.

Poor Trump.. He's been a victim for 40 years.
Hyperbole is Trump's calling card. Still to me he was a very good President.

That he was. In his four years he did great for this country and you can bet Biden will undo it all. This country was in great shape before the very convenient Chinese Virus hit. We sure won't get that greatness back with Biden at the helm.

If that jack ass gets in we will have four years of misery in this country and those that voted for his stupid ass will be regretting it big time.
IF Biden gets in? He won.

You better pray he doesn't get in cause if he does we will have four years of misery in this country. Look up the list of things that jack ass wants to do and then think about who will be paying for it.

You will be regretting your vote big time.
If the Senate remains red and the House goes red in 2022 it will be fine. He ll be a toothless corpse.

Yup. But the Senate will have to stay red and that run off in Georgia has to go their way. The mid terms will get the Reps the House. Hell they almost have it now.

He can still write EO's just like Barry and Trump did. So he won't be toothless at all.
He can but he won't have the Supreme Court either. Not sure how much he can really do.
 
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