Washington Post audio of Trump berating and threatening Georgia Secretary of State for not "finding" votes to change election result. Sedition?

I can agree that Trump shouldn't talk to the Georgia Secretary of State in the first place, that was wrong of him.
So you say Trump can't talk to other politicians? He has to talk to other politicians to get the 2020 results fixed.

You need to know why?

Conflict of interest......

:rolleyes:

No
That's idiotic

Are you sure?

Investopedia

What Is a Conflict of Interest?
A conflict of interest occurs when an entity or individual becomes unreliable because of a clash between personal (or self-serving) interests and professional duties or responsibilities. Such a conflict occurs when a company or person has a vested interest—such as money, status, knowledge, relationships, or reputation—which puts into question whether their actions, judgment, and/or decision-making can be unbiased. When such a situation arises, the party is usually asked to remove themselves, and it is often legally required of them.

Yes
 
According to the Post report, Trump told Republican Brad Raffensperger, "So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have.

That, Conway suggested, amounted to election tampering.

the relevant penalties for attempting or proposing fraud.

52 U.S.C § 20511(2)(B): "A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office- knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by- (A) the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or
(B) the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,hall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."


And that boys and girls, is not a conspiracy theory. It is not TDS. It is not flaming or trolling. The phone call by Trump actually happened. He actually did ask the Georgia AG to act on his behalf. The federal code really does make it a crime. He really is the President, and was a candidate for reelection. This really is politics.

Which means this post by any measure belongs right here.
Nah, you would have to show a pattern and someone on the other end of the "implicit" corrupt influence actually committing crimes. As i understand it.
 
"A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office- knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process,

Why would Trump get jail time for stuff that Dems are doing?
Because there is evidence right here on tape that Trump is tampering.

BUT There is no evidence of fraud or tampering in the Pres election and 59 state courts have said as much, and the Supreme court, and Barr, and all the Dept of Defense. And the Sec of State of Georgia and everybody with a brain...

How did his call "knowingly and willfully deprive(s), defraud(s), or attempt(s) to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process"?
The argument is that he was implying the Governor use his influence to commit illegal acts. Which, while we all know is true, cannot be proven in court with his words alone. I wouldn't think so, anyway.
 
"A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office- knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process,

Why would Trump get jail time for stuff that Dems are doing?
Because there is evidence right here on tape that Trump is tampering.

BUT There is no evidence of fraud or tampering in the Pres election and 59 state courts have said as much, and the Supreme court, and Barr, and all the Dept of Defense. And the Sec of State of Georgia and everybody with a brain...

How did his call "knowingly and willfully deprive(s), defraud(s), or attempt(s) to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process"?
The argument is that he was implying the Governor use his influence to commit illegal acts. Which, while we all know is true, cannot be proven in court with his words alone. I wouldn't think so, anyway.

He was talking to the Secretary of State, which I think is a prime example of a conflict of interest.

Trump never should have argued with Brad over the votes.
 
If this bastard doesn't go to jail over this, we've lost a country. It's that simple.
He doesn’t need to go to jail. He just needs to go away. Don’t make him a martyr. Especially important is that you don’t prosecute him and lose.
 
"A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office- knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process,

Why would Trump get jail time for stuff that Dems are doing?
Because there is evidence right here on tape that Trump is tampering.

BUT There is no evidence of fraud or tampering in the Pres election and 59 state courts have said as much, and the Supreme court, and Barr, and all the Dept of Defense. And the Sec of State of Georgia and everybody with a brain...

How did his call "knowingly and willfully deprive(s), defraud(s), or attempt(s) to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process"?
The argument is that he was implying the Governor use his influence to commit illegal acts. Which, while we all know is true, cannot be proven in court with his words alone. I wouldn't think so, anyway.

He was talking to the Secretary of State, which I think is a prime example of a conflict of interest.

Trump never should have argued with Brad over the votes.
Sec State, not governor, good catch

He shouldn't call Secs. of State and suggest they "find" a specific number of votes. Trump, the wannabe mafia don.
 
"A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office- knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process,

Why would Trump get jail time for stuff that Dems are doing?
Because there is evidence right here on tape that Trump is tampering.

BUT There is no evidence of fraud or tampering in the Pres election and 59 state courts have said as much, and the Supreme court, and Barr, and all the Dept of Defense. And the Sec of State of Georgia and everybody with a brain...

How did his call "knowingly and willfully deprive(s), defraud(s), or attempt(s) to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process"?
The argument is that he was implying the Governor use his influence to commit illegal acts. Which, while we all know is true, cannot be proven in court with his words alone. I wouldn't think so, anyway.

He was talking to the Secretary of State, which I think is a prime example of a conflict of interest.

Trump never should have argued with Brad over the votes.

You are coming across as an idiot.
 
Ummmmmm yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh.
If Trump gets prison time for "election tampering", the Democrats should be executed behind the Capitol.

There ain't nothing here about political parties, DUMBASS. Both Rump and the state officials he's trying to shake down, are Republicans.

What a fucking dolt.
Hey asshole, It’s called a comparison retard. You know, grade school stuff beyond your feeble brain to understand.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is talking about sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected governement of the United States of America.
sounds just like your Russian Collusion bullshit
Sounds like you defending the POS Trump again as he breaks the law. I guess you anti-American assfucks couod casre less about law and order.
What law?

Be specific.
I thought you didn’t care about my posts........and yet I have you fetching links when I wasn’t even addressing you.

:banana::laughing0301:
Enjoy! It's not like you're going to debate it right?
 
Trumpies, go and read the transcript and listen to Trump himself.

He's manic and stinks of desperation.

And could use some remedial English lessons.

But I'll state here, now and unequivocally and make this promise to all you Trumpies.

Reading the transcript or listening to the recording WILL NOT, I REPEAT... WILL NOT cause your eyes to explode or your ears to bleed.

I promise.

That your heads may figuratively explode is without doubt, but we'll cross that bridge when we get too it. :cool:
If this bastard doesn't go to jail over this, we've lost a country. It's that simple.

Nah, we'll be fine.

Don't believe everything you're reading as to how this republican charade is damaging our democratic republic.

In such a contentious historical election with Trump at the helm, our democracy and laws are working exactly as they should be.

As tiresome and loathsome as the republican shenanigans are, they have every legal right under our law to do what they're doing.

Just be patient, let it play out.
Probably so. Just the same, to not follow through with some type of punishment, only attracts more of it. We are creatures of habit. Especially bad habits.

Trump is going to be punished, don't worry. All his legal problems will be the living hell he so justly deserves and if it leads to prison.... that's a bonus.

Being labeled a loser, especially given his mental state, is an anguish he'll be wrestling with the rest of his life. He's in poor mental and physical health to begin with. If I had to make a prediction, after leaving office and a few months of bitching, people are going to ignore him and his health will rapidly deteriorate.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is talking about sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected governement of the United States of America.
sounds just like your Russian Collusion bullshit
Sounds like you defending the POS Trump again as he breaks the law. I guess you anti-American assfucks couod casre less about law and order.
What law?

Be specific.
Damned. You guys do some good fightin in here. I don't need to post. My gratitudes
 
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According to the Post report, Trump told Republican Brad Raffensperger, "So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have.

That, Conway suggested, amounted to election tampering.

the relevant penalties for attempting or proposing fraud.

52 U.S.C § 20511(2)(B): "A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office- knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by- (A) the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or
(B) the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,hall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."


And that boys and girls, is not a conspiracy theory. It is not TDS. It is not flaming or trolling. The phone call by Trump actually happened. He actually did ask the Georgia AG to act on his behalf. The federal code really does make it a crime. He really is the President, and was a candidate for reelection. This really is politics.

Which means this post by any measure belongs right here.
After reading this article, there seems to be a conflict.

The Washington Post claimed that in his talk with Raffensperger Trump "repeatedly urged him to alter the outcome of the presidential vote in the state."

This claim is false.
 
You know, I'd like to say that I was surprised by this phone call over the weekend, but sadly, I'm not. Just yet another example of Trump being Trump and trying to intimidate others into going his way. And, I also find it very interesting that there was a specific number of votes that Trump wanted GA to find. The number was 11,780, which is just one more vote than what he lost to Biden on. Sorry, but Trump can't accept his loss, and he's doing everything that he can to try to get people to steal the election for him.

Incidentally, GA has had 3 recounts since the election was held, and each and every time, the vote count said that Biden had won. And, if Trump is telling them to "find" more votes for him, that sounds very much like he's trying to steal the election and not Biden.

The more that Trump was able to get away with, it seems the harder he pushes to get away with even more. And, I had predicted a couple of years ago that if Trump wasn't kicked out by the Senate (even though he was impeached by the House), he would think that he was bulletproof and would push for even more and more crazy stuff. Sadly, that prediction came true, because there is no president in the history of this country who has done what Trump has done. If this had been a Democrat, Republicans would be screaming bloody murder and would be doing their best to remove him.

Do I want to see Trump impeached over this? Not really, because he only has 2 weeks left of his term, and will be outta there before charges could be brought against him, meaning that it would be a waste of taxpayer money and valuable legislation time.

And, as far as the conversation being "leaked", well, hate to tell you but most conversations between elected officials are part of the public record unless they contain classified information (which this phone call doesn't have any of). Trump should have realized when he took the job that he was going to be in the limelight, and also realized that every thing he said was going to be recorded and made available to the American people, but, sadly, he didn't.


Trump confirmed in a tweet Sunday that he had spoken with Georgia's secretary of state, Republican Brad Raffensperger, a day earlier.
Audio snippets of the conversation were posted online by The Washington Post. A recording of the call was later obtained by The Associated Press from a person who was on the call.

The president, who has refused to accept his loss to the Democratic president-elect, is heard telling Raffensperger at one point: “All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

Georgia's certified election results show Biden won the state's Nov. 3 election by 11,779 votes.
I'm not surprised that you would post this sleazy piece of douchebaggery. Not once do you even get close to an honest presentation of the facts. Like all progs, outright lying is your favorite tactict. It's so much easier that trying to justify this swindle with facts.
 
To dimwit Trumpers I say, here we have Trump telling the Georgia Secretary of state to engage in fraud and overthrow the newly elected government. When will Trump be arrested?
SHowing your single digit IQ again. Where’s the threat? Asking for an actual audit of votes is not illegal. You lose again. Making you 0 for the last 4 years +. By the way dimwit, leaking that call is illegal.
 
Trumpies, go and read the transcript and listen to Trump himself.

He's manic and stinks of desperation.

And could use some remedial English lessons.

But I'll state here, now and unequivocally and make this promise to all you Trumpies.

Reading the transcript or listening to the recording WILL NOT, I REPEAT... WILL NOT cause your eyes to explode or your ears to bleed.

I promise.

That your heads may figuratively explode is without doubt, but we'll cross that bridge when we get too it. :cool:
If this bastard doesn't go to jail over this, we've lost a country. It's that simple.

Nah, we'll be fine.

Don't believe everything you're reading as to how this republican charade is damaging our democratic republic.

In such a contentious historical election with Trump at the helm, our democracy and laws are working exactly as they should be.

As tiresome and loathsome as the republican shenanigans are, they have every legal right under our law to do what they're doing.

Just be patient, let it play out.
Probably so. Just the same, to not follow through with some type of punishment, only attracts more of it. We are creatures of habit. Especially bad habits.

Trump is going to be punished, don't worry. All his legal problems will be the living hell he so justly deserves and if it leads to prison.... that's a bonus.

Being labeled a loser, especially given his mental state, is an anguish he'll be wrestling with the rest of his life. He's in poor mental and physical health to begin with. If I had to make a prediction, after leaving office and a few months of bitching, people are going to ignore him and his health will rapidly deteriorate.
ROFL! When the progs start putting their sleazy fantasies on display it doesn't get any more nauseating.
 
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.



Trump is engaging of sedition and overturning the will of the people through fraud.

Trump should be arrested for sedition for attempting to overthrow the newly elected government of the United States of America.

Everything Trump touches dies.

Is American democracy next?


just a good old thug style shake down, and I'm sure retardicans are ok with it...


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