Washing machines/dryers prices up 17% under Trump (thank you, tariffs)

[jc456]

Why not? Are you saying that America is inherently unable to compete?

I’m saying there are lots of products we couldn’t compete. They are quite far away, shipping alone eliminates lots of products.

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

who cares if there's a difference. I asked you for the price difference between products here and there.

 

[Correll]

No, it would not.


The CEOs of the all the corporations in the nation would still be in charge of their companies.


THe environment they operate in would have just changed somewhat.


That is not control.


That is Trade Policy.


Don't make this a game of semantics.

They would still be in charge but they would now have less freedom to run their company as they see as best for the company.

If I told you that you were in charge of making dinner, but then gave you very limited choice of foods to pick from, are you really in charge or am I?

NOT China, is not a very limited choice.



Yes, they would be.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You realize that China has a Socialist Market Economy and the central government control great portions of the economy.

Are you willing to embrace such a economic system in this country to get those jobs for Americans?

Trump could slap a complete ban on Chinese trade tomorrow, and that would in no way require that the US government assume control of great portions of the economy.


YOur question's premise, is absurd.

You seem to want to be China, what is absurd?

I pointed out that your question's premise, that taking action against Chinese imports, requires the US government to assume control of great portions of the US economy was absurd.



You did not address that.


It is still absurd.


I want those jobs for Americans.

Every action by the government in the form of a tariff or a tax is the government taking a portion of control they did not have prior.

Well, all it takes to be "government controlled" in your view, is to be taxed, then just about every person and piece of property in the nation is already "government controlled",


so what does it matter?

Now you are catching on. When the government decides they want you to quit doing something, i.e. smoking for example, they use taxes to control people to get them to quit, it is called social engineering and it is what our tax code was designed to do, control the behavior of our citizens.

Telling a company where it is allowed to do business is taking a portion of control from that company.

Every action by the government means less liberty for its citizens. The only debate is where does the line get drawn.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No, it would not.


The CEOs of the all the corporations in the nation would still be in charge of their companies.


THe environment they operate in would have just changed somewhat.


That is not control.


That is Trade Policy.


Don't make this a game of semantics.

They would still be in charge but they would now have less freedom to run their company as they see as best for the company.

If I told you that you were in charge of making dinner, but then gave you very limited choice of foods to pick from, are you really in charge or am I?

NOT China, is not a very limited choice.



Yes, they would be.

Clearly Not China is not a limited choice or we would not be having this discussion.

So, I wonder...do you own a cell phone?

 

[Correll]

Everything.

You have quite an imagination.

Why not? Are you saying that America is inherently unable to compete?

I’m saying there are lots of products we couldn’t compete. They are quite far away, shipping alone eliminates lots of products.

Container shipping is very cheap. You should know that.


My point stands. I want those jobs. I want to sell more of everything.

The cost of container shipping is more than the cost of many products.

REally? Cause I've seen very cheap products from far, far away.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I’m saying there are lots of products we couldn’t compete. They are quite far away, shipping alone eliminates lots of products.

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

who cares if there's a difference. I asked you for the price difference between products here and there.

The price difference is dictated by the cost of production, which includes the cost of paying the employees. For 90% of the business out there, the cost of employees is far and away the biggest cost they have, thus it has the biggest impact on what they have to charge to make a profit.

If I am paying you 10 dollars a day and a company across the country is paying their people 100 dollars a day, there is no way I will ever be able to compete with their prices.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Jeez, they don't seem to be unconcerned. Almost like they think those surpluses are good for them.

That is one of my favorite pictures of Trump. I have a picture of my son when he was about 2.5 years old refusing to eat something and he has that very same look on his face.

 

[Correll]

Trump could slap a complete ban on Chinese trade tomorrow, and that would in no way require that the US government assume control of great portions of the economy.


YOur question's premise, is absurd.

You seem to want to be China, what is absurd?

I pointed out that your question's premise, that taking action against Chinese imports, requires the US government to assume control of great portions of the US economy was absurd.



You did not address that.


It is still absurd.


I want those jobs for Americans.

Every action by the government in the form of a tariff or a tax is the government taking a portion of control they did not have prior.

Well, all it takes to be "government controlled" in your view, is to be taxed, then just about every person and piece of property in the nation is already "government controlled",


so what does it matter?

Now you are catching on. When the government decides they want you to quit doing something, i.e. smoking for example, they use taxes to control people to get them to quit, it is called social engineering and it is what our tax code was designed to do, control the behavior of our citizens.

Telling a company where it is allowed to do business is taking a portion of control from that company.

Every action by the government means less liberty for its citizens. The only debate is where does the line get drawn.

Drawing the line in a place so that our trading partners can use government support to benefit themselves massively at our expense, while we can take no action to protect ourselves,


is a bad idea.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You seem to want to be China, what is absurd?

I pointed out that your question's premise, that taking action against Chinese imports, requires the US government to assume control of great portions of the US economy was absurd.



You did not address that.


It is still absurd.


I want those jobs for Americans.

Every action by the government in the form of a tariff or a tax is the government taking a portion of control they did not have prior.

Well, all it takes to be "government controlled" in your view, is to be taxed, then just about every person and piece of property in the nation is already "government controlled",


so what does it matter?

Now you are catching on. When the government decides they want you to quit doing something, i.e. smoking for example, they use taxes to control people to get them to quit, it is called social engineering and it is what our tax code was designed to do, control the behavior of our citizens.

Telling a company where it is allowed to do business is taking a portion of control from that company.

Every action by the government means less liberty for its citizens. The only debate is where does the line get drawn.

Drawing the line in a place so that our trading partners can use government support to benefit themselves massively at our expense, while we can take no action to protect ourselves,


is a bad idea.

No action!

Here, download and print off the PDF on this site and then tell me we are taking no action! 3700 pages worth of tariffs! Harmonized Tariff Schedule PDFs

Throw in more than 20 billion dollars a year on Ag subsidies

Throw in more than 10 billion dollars a year on oil company subsidies

Throw in more than 20 billion dollars a year on ethanol subsidies

We even have export subsidies to help our companies.

But yeah, we do nothing to protect ourselves!

Holy crap, could you be less informed if you tried?

 

[jc456]

Why not? Are you saying that America is inherently unable to compete?

I’m saying there are lots of products we couldn’t compete. They are quite far away, shipping alone eliminates lots of products.

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

Not sure what you’re asking? Why do they need to be competitive in China? We want our people’s products! Period. NAR

 

[jc456]

Why not? Are you saying that America is inherently unable to compete?

I’m saying there are lots of products we couldn’t compete. They are quite far away, shipping alone eliminates lots of products.

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

Yep we all know that. What’s your point? People here will buy american made.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I’m saying there are lots of products we couldn’t compete. They are quite far away, shipping alone eliminates lots of products.

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

Yep we all know that. What’s your point? People here will buy american made.

People for the last 30 years have had the choice to buy American made or other places made. Now you want to take that choice away and force them to buy American.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Not sure what you’re asking? Why do they need to be competitive in China? We want our people’s products! Period. NAR

Who is this "we". Today right now people have the choice of whether to buy our people’s products or other people's...which do most people seem to want to buy?

 

[jc456]

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

Yep we all know that. What’s your point? People here will buy american made.

People for the last 30 years have had the choice to buy American made or other places made. Now you want to take that choice away and force them to buy American.

How you figure?

 

[jc456]

Not sure what you’re asking? Why do they need to be competitive in China? We want our people’s products! Period. NAR

Who is this "we". Today right now people have the choice of whether to buy our people’s products or other people's...which do most people seem to want to buy?

Yep! made in america

Oh and ‘we’ is me and my fellow Americans

I’m beginning to believe you are leftist

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Not sure what you’re asking? Why do they need to be competitive in China? We want our people’s products! Period. NAR

Who is this "we". Today right now people have the choice of whether to buy our people’s products or other people's...which do most people seem to want to buy?

Yep! made in america

Oh and ‘we’ is me and my fellow Americans

IF that is what has been happening, then we have no need for tariffs or anything! Glad we worked that out.

 

[koshergrl]

name one

t-shirts

ok, show me the difference.

The difference is in the price per hour people are being paid. In order for the US company to be competitive in places like China or other parts of Southwest Asia they would need to overcome the price of salairs and the price of transportation.

How do you suggest they do that?

Yep we all know that. What’s your point? People here will buy american made.

People for the last 30 years have had the choice to buy American made or other places made. Now you want to take that choice away and force them to buy American.

Nonsense. They can still buy Chinese.

It just will cost more.

 

[koshergrl]

Not sure what you’re asking? Why do they need to be competitive in China? We want our people’s products! Period. NAR

Who is this "we". Today right now people have the choice of whether to buy our people’s products or other people's...which do most people seem to want to buy?

Yep! made in america

Oh and ‘we’ is me and my fellow Americans

I’m beginning to believe you are leftist

I'm beginning to think he's a Chinese national.

 

[otto105]

If 17 bucks per 100 is going to break you, get a fuckin rock.

Would that be true if it was labeled a tax?



Asshole

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not sure what you’re asking? Why do they need to be competitive in China? We want our people’s products! Period. NAR

Who is this "we". Today right now people have the choice of whether to buy our people’s products or other people's...which do most people seem to want to buy?

Other peoples. That's why most stores only carry other peoples.