Was the Constitution designed to make the states strong?

[Dante]

It is you that needs to grow up. Trying to debate you is a waste of time.

really? try to stop whining and maybe you'd have more time to do what it is you think passes for debate.

Yes, really. If you are going to accuse me of something, the least you could do is use the proper word in the proper context. According to the proper definition of whine, my posts does not resemble anything close to a whine.

Main Entry: 1whine
Pronunciation: \ˈhwīn, ˈwīn\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): whined; whin·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hwīnan to whiz; akin to Old Norse hvīna to whiz
Date: 13th century

intransitive verb 1 a : to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b : to make a sound similar to such a cry <the wind whined in the chimney>
2 : to complain with or as if with a whine <always whining about the weather>
3 : to move or proceed with the sound of a whine <the bullet whined…across the ice — Berton Roueché>transitive verb : to utter or express with or as if with a whine

— whin·er noun

— whin·ing·ly \&#712;hw&#299;-ni&#331;-l&#275;, &#712;w&#299;-\ adverb
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All you have are insults to throw about. Facts would be good but it seems that is asking too much. Carry on with your insulting.

You don't whine?



precious!!!

 

[Dante]

2 : to constantly complain with or as if with a whine <always whining about how other people post , how other people debate, how other people, this and how other people that....get the picture asshole?>

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

2 : to constantly complain with or as if with a whine <always whining about how other people post , how other people debate, how other people, this and how other people that....get the picture asshole?>

I get the picture just fine. I gave you the proper definition and you still insist on using it wrongly towards me. I get that instead of having honest and civil debate, you rather act like a juvenile with a foul mouth, because vulgar words are the best you can do. I get the fact that you like to neg rep people for disagreeing with you, because that is the kind of intellectual giant you are. I get the fact that you don't appear to know what respect is, because you don't show much for yourself or anyone else on here. I get that I wasted my time trying to engage you on an adult level. I won't make the mistake of giving you the benefit of a doubt ever again. I get the fact that you are a waste of my time.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Why the mandate? Maybe because there was a need to redesign something? So there was a need to design something. Were the states weak? If not then how can you say there was a need to make the states strong?

The mandate was because the states were resorting to protectionism against one another and this was seen as a problem so a special convention was called to revise the Articles, and authority was not given for the convention to completely scrap them and come up with the Constitution. The states were already strong, but the Constitution was meant to protect their sovereignty and independence while creating a stronger federal government than the Articles of Confederation had.

Why would people call to convene a convention to protect the sovereignty of states already exercising that very sovereignty in ways that weakened their....gulp..sovereignty?

Sovereign and independent states would form a weak coalition using your ideas. I would think it is implied that the very fact that a lose coalition had failed miserably (the Articles of Confederation) that a newer more stronger federation was in order.

Well the Articles didn't fail, they were simply done away with by people who believed in a more centralized federal government. As to why the Constitution protects state sovereignty, because the states wouldn't have been willing to create an all-powerful national government that would control them.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Oh looky:

New reputation!
Hi, you have received -20 reputation points from DevNell.
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Comment:
asshole. talk about something else.

Regards,
DevNell

Seems that Dev doesn't like people talking about the cowardice that Dev displays on a regular basis.

cowardice is highly underrated. it is an American tradition. just look at the facts of life. Was Nixon and Reagan cowards? Were not Cheney and the other chickenhawks cowards?

Well, at least you enjoy being a coward.

Carry on being a sniveling whiner then.

 

[The T]

Here is a thread that got me thinking...

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

What do you think?

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[editec]

Here is a thread that got me thinking...

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

What do you think?

I thik that most right wigers who wail on about how local goverments are the way to insure good governmet are't paying very close attention to how poorly most local and state governments operate.

Not trustig the FEDS I certaily uderstand.

Thiking that there's some anti-corruption magic from giving that power to local goverments is just so much faith based delusional right winger nonsense

 

[The T]

Here is a thread that got me thinking...

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

What do you think?

I thik that most right wigers who wail on about how local goverments are the way to insure good governmet are't paying very close attention to how poorly most local and state governments operate.

Not trustig the FEDS I certaily uderstand.

Thiking that there's some anti-corruption magic from giving that power to local goverments is just so much faith based delusional right winger nonsense

Has nothing to do with 'FAITH' basing of any sort. The Constitution is quite clear who is in charge. And that would be the PEOPLE.

Does this escape you somehow?

 

[Dante]

2 : to constantly complain with or as if with a whine <always whining about how other people post , how other people debate, how other people, this and how other people that....get the picture asshole?>

I get the picture just fine. I gave you the proper definition and you still insist on using it wrongly towards me. I get that instead of having honest and civil debate, you rather act like a juvenile with a foul mouth, because vulgar words are the best you can do. I get the fact that you like to neg rep people for disagreeing with you, because that is the kind of intellectual giant you are. I get the fact that you don't appear to know what respect is, because you don't show much for yourself or anyone else on here. I get that I wasted my time trying to engage you on an adult level. I won't make the mistake of giving you the benefit of a doubt ever again. I get the fact that you are a waste of my time.

get a clue bozo:

1) I neg people as a sport.

2) in the wild west of internet message boarding respect is earned the hard way, not given out like cotton candy at a county fair. if you looking to pose as a person worthy of respect go ahead, but stop whining when the rules (open season on idiots) are applied to you.

3) stop confusing hostility masked by civility and feigned outrage (yours) as somehow representative of what constitutes an adult

4) not really. you ought to pay me for raising you up a few levels in the game.

now STFU aand learn

 

[Dante]

The mandate was because the states were resorting to protectionism against one another and this was seen as a problem so a special convention was called to revise the Articles, and authority was not given for the convention to completely scrap them and come up with the Constitution. The states were already strong, but the Constitution was meant to protect their sovereignty and independence while creating a stronger federal government than the Articles of Confederation had.

Why would people call to convene a convention to protect the sovereignty of states already exercising that very sovereignty in ways that weakened their....gulp..sovereignty?

Sovereign and independent states would form a weak coalition using your ideas. I would think it is implied that the very fact that a lose coalition had failed miserably (the Articles of Confederation) that a newer more stronger federation was in order.

Well the Articles didn't fail, they were simply done away with by people who believed in a more centralized federal government. As to why the Constitution protects state sovereignty, because the states wouldn't have been willing to create an all-powerful national government that would control them.

I do not ever disagree with the fact that the US Constitution protects state sovereignty. I do disagree with statements that say the Consritution was designed to protect the sovereignty of the states. I do believe most all of the states believed in a centralized national/federal government or else why the Articles of Confederation and then the Constitution? As to how controalling and centralized national government would be...ahhhhhhhhhh,

You only need be more clear and agree ahead of time on precise and clear definitions of terms to avoid confusion on principles we would all mostly agree with.

You grow on me like a fungi.

 

[Dante]

Oh looky:



Seems that Dev doesn't like people talking about the cowardice that Dev displays on a regular basis.

cowardice is highly underrated. it is an American tradition. just look at the facts of life. Was Nixon and Reagan cowards? Were not Cheney and the other chickenhawks cowards?

Well, at least you enjoy being a coward.

Carry on being a sniveling whiner then.

listen you piece of shit. you hear that sound? it is the sound of hot air spitting out of your vapid mind.

 

[Dante]

Here is a thread that got me thinking...

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

What do you think?

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Ahh, so we get to argue over exactly W-H-A-T powers were delegated to the states. You do know that some of the people who wrote and signed the Constitution disagreed with each other and themselves over this very issue...time and time again?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I feel special, I inspired a thread

EDIT: I answered your question in the OP

 

[Dante]

I feel special, I inspired a thread

EDIT: I answered your question in the OP

Was there ever really a question posed that begged for an answer?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I feel special, I inspired a thread

EDIT: I answered your question in the OP

Was there ever really a question posed that begged for an answer?

You asked what do we think, I answered that in the quote of me in your OP.

Don't tell me your still sore at me over this post all this time later. I already apologized for making you upset.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-f...-devnell.html?highlight=my+apology+to+devnell

 

[Dante]

Thanks for the negative rep Devnell. You are so gracious for giving me -20 rep points because you disagreed with me.

I want people to be able to see the depth of your intellectual reasoning, which is clearly evident in the automated pm.

Comment:
another moron? geesh, where do you all come from?


I was not rude to you. I entered the thread to have an honest civil debate. It appears you can't handle that.

Intellectual coward.

Yeah, I got yer back.

I got one from Dev awhile back too, with almost the exact same PM. When I asked in-thread for Dev to point out what was moronic about my post, there was never any reply.

Now I dont feel so special anymore http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-f...-devnell.html?highlight=my+apology+to+devnell

No need to apologize. btw, what's up with that Sarah?

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings and caused you so much anger and pain that you negetive repped me. I hope you enjoy the positive rep I gave you in response.

I think you need a big hug, cookies and milk, and a smile.

Enjoy your life, I hope it gets better for you.

Sorry.

Now you've done it. Once you feed Dev Nell, he'll keep coming back.

 

[Dante]

I feel special, I inspired a thread

EDIT: I answered your question in the OP

Was there ever really a question posed that begged for an answer?

You asked what do we think, I answered that in the quote of me in your OP.

Don't tell me your still sore at me over this post all this time later. I already apologized for making you upset.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-f...-devnell.html?highlight=my+apology+to+devnell

I take you about as seriously as I do a rat's ass.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

You're too fast Dev, I deleted one post and edited another

 

[Dante]

You're too fast Dev, I deleted one post and edited another

I know.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. -10th Ammendment.


This is one of the least upheld, most violated, ammendments in the constitution. And no one even raises an eyebrow.