War With Syria: Yea Or Nay?

[Spoonman]

i'm just curious. have the 7 people here who support military action in syria reported to their local recruiting offices to enlist?

 

[RandallFlagg]

i'm just curious. have the 7 people here who support military action in syria reported to their local recruiting offices to enlist?

Yeah, right. These pussies are more than willing to let "someone else" do the fighting and dying for them.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

i'm just curious. have the 7 people here who support military action in syria reported to their local recruiting offices to enlist?

Well, in fairness, the risk is entirely to the cruise missiles and other "shells" we lob into Syria from far away.

No boots means no boots.

Well, unless The ONE means "no boots" the same way he means that he didn't say "no red line."

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just drone Assad?

but

but

but

That could make the cruise missile all messy.

 

[KissMy]

I would LOVE for the staunch Barry defenders to take a couple of minutes and read this, by General Martin Dempsey in July of this war, stating what "military intervention" in Syria would mean.

Dempsey: Syria intervention is "act of war" that could cost billions ? CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

This is such a bias slanted steaming pile of B.S. Our biggest airbases are just across the borders in Turkey, Iraq & Israel. This has the potential to be the cheapest bombing or no fly cap in recent history. We attacked Libya for 227 days & toppled Quadaffe with only $1.1 billion US. This war is not going to be any where near a billion a month or last more than 2 months.

If we don't use our military, then cut their spending in half.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Total bs misinformation being used to attack Obama. There is plenty to attack him on, but you admit your claim of muslim brotherhood in Egypt it wrong.

Do you actually think yourself clever?

I "admit" no such thing. The Brotherhood was driven from ruling, VERY recently. You want to pretend that "no MB to here, move along.."

I understand, misinformation and outright lies have carried Obama this far, no reason to change your strategy.



Dunno, you lied about Egypt - does that lend credibility to my claim, or just shoot yours?



Now there is some spin - you didn't outright lie - you just twisted the facts beyond recognition.

No one cares that the MB isn't in control of Libya - they are a major force and could easily assume power at any point.

Hell, their HQ's were attacked and destroyed by opponents only a few months ago. Truthfully, they are making some gains, but that changes from week to week and they are far from having any kind of control. So the facts you need to make your point are bs misinformation with the facts being the exact oppisit of your claims. I love your framing of "Obama's faction" being responsible for "a violent rampage of murder, looting and raping across the land...". Your priortity is hate. It is not country or truth in any sense of the way. Simple hate for hates sake. The use of such blatant lies and misinformation makes it obvious.

Yeah, despite what the propaganda claims, Libya is in a full blown civil war.

You are of the Obama Fedayeen, serving The One...

I was responding to comments made by other posters. You took it on yourself to inject yourself into the conversation and challanged my comments. I responded to you. I showed how you were wrong and in your bungled response you have admitted you were wrong. You have tried to move the line. MB is not in control of Egypt as you claimed, so you made it "was in charge". MB is not in control of Libya, so you made it "they could easily assume power". So now, unable to give an intelligent response, you revert to name calling and and allege I am an Obama Fedayeen. If you are going to inject yourself into a conversation or start an arguement, it would benifit you greatly to do so when and on topics you have some actual knowledge about. Stumbling and bungling through life is not a good direction.

It is useless to perpetually debate about war and give only the short-term gains as your examples. Short-term gains in war are less than .1% of the debate.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I would LOVE for the staunch Barry defenders to take a couple of minutes and read this, by General Martin Dempsey in July of this war, stating what "military intervention" in Syria would mean.

Dempsey: Syria intervention is "act of war" that could cost billions ? CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

This is such a bias slanted steaming pile of B.S. Our biggest airbases are just across the borders in Turkey & Israel. This has the potential to be the cheapest bombing or no fly cap in recent history. We toppled Quadaffe with only $1.1 billion US. This war is not going to be any where near a billion a month or last more than 2 months.

If we don't use our military, then cut their spending in half.

^ unless things don't work out as expected.

Some shit about "unintended consequences."

Or maybe, some shit about perfectly expected consequences.

We lob a cruise missile of so into Syria:

(1) Iran ***** with Israel. The war broadens.
(2) Syria does another round of gassing innocent civilians. Then what the **** do we do? My guess? The war broadens.
(3) Russia restocks some of the destroyed stockpile of weapons and materiel. Syria then ***** with Israel AND it persists in gassing its own innocent civilians. what then? My guess? The war broadens.
(4) Pick a few. The options are rather numerous. The punch line rarely changes.

 

[RandallFlagg]

i'm just curious. have the 7 people here who support military action in syria reported to their local recruiting offices to enlist?

Well, in fairness, the risk is entirely to the cruise missiles and other "shells" we lob into Syria from far away.

No boots means no boots.

Well, unless The ONE means "no boots" the same way he means that he didn't say "no red line."

Well, here (at least as I understand it) is the "basic" deal of the way this thing works. Once Congress authorizes the president to engage, then they are out of it. They have done their jobs. If Barry SHOULD decide to employ troops, that is solely at his discretion.

Congress, after the 90 day period, could vote to defund the action, but probably wouldn't. Congress threatened to defund Iraq and Afghanistan a couple of times - and actually DID during Vietnam, but it didn't stop military action.

Probably why Kerry told the Senate committee that "Saudi Arabia" has already agreed to fund the mercenary actions. Funny, Kuwait and the rest of the Arab league were going to "foot the bill" for the Iraq war. Remember that? We were going to "take Iraq oil to pay for the war?"

Guess the check must be in the mail from the Arabs, right?

 

[RandallFlagg]

I would LOVE for the staunch Barry defenders to take a couple of minutes and read this, by General Martin Dempsey in July of this war, stating what "military intervention" in Syria would mean.

Dempsey: Syria intervention is "act of war" that could cost billions ? CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

This is such a bias slanted steaming pile of B.S. Our biggest airbases are just across the borders in Turkey & Israel. This has the potential to be the cheapest bombing or no fly cap in recent history. We toppled Quadaffe with only $1.1 billion US. This war is not going to be any where near a billion a month or last more than 2 months.

If we don't use our military, then cut their spending in half.

Well, if it's a "steaming pile of B.S." as you say, remember where it came from: Martin Dempsey, Chairman; Joint Chiefs of Staff and STAUNCH supporter of Barry.

Give him a call and let him know. I served under the man in the 80s. He IS an idiot.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just drone Assad?

Maybe, they are all tied up in Pakistan and countries in that region. Time to invest in companies building drones.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just drone Assad?

Maybe, they are all tied up in Pakistan and countries in that region. Time to invest in companies building drones.

This military is stretched to the breaking point now, with cuts in Defense, roll back of troop strengths, retention losses and just flat out "tiredness".

But what the hell, let's get involved in yet another meaningless conflict.

 

[The T]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just drone Assad?

Maybe, they are all tied up in Pakistan and countries in that region. Time to invest in companies building drones.

This military is stretched to the breaking point now, with cuts in Defense, roll back of troop strengths, retention losses and just flat out "tiredness".

But what the hell, let's get involved in yet another meaningless conflict.

Indeed let Obama complete his destruction of what he doesn't understand but loathes. Nevermind he leaves this Republic vulnerable, and he will be closer to achieving his goal of destruction of US.

 

[KissMy]

2007 The New Yorker: "To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East.... The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda."

According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the US Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to "attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years", starting with Iraq and moving on to "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran." Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region's vast oil and gas resources currently valued at over $170 Trillion US dollars.

In 2009, Assad refused to sign an agreement with Qatar for an overland pipeline running from the Gulf to Europe via Syria to protect the interests of its Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplied of natural gas.

 

[georgephillip]

It's like people on this site have never heard of the "The Project for a “New Middle East”"
General Wesley Clark tells of how Middle East destabilization was planned as far back as 1991 - YouTube

Worth a few minutes to read:

"'Hegemony is as old as Mankind…' -Zbigniew Brzezinski, former U.S. National Security Advisor.

"The term 'New Middle East' was introduced to the world in June 2006 in Tel Aviv by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (who was credited by the Western media for coining the term) in replacement of the older and more imposing term, the 'Greater Middle East.'

"This shift in foreign policy phraseology coincided with the inauguration of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) Oil Terminal in the Eastern Mediterranean.

"The term and conceptualization of the 'New Middle East,' was subsequently heralded by the U.S. Secretary of State and the Israeli Prime Minister at the height of the Anglo-American sponsored Israeli siege of Lebanon. Prime Minister Olmert and Secretary Rice had informed the international media that a project for a 'New Middle East' was being launched from Lebanon.

"This announcement was a confirmation of an Anglo-American-Israeli 'military roadmap' in the Middle East.

"This project, which has been in the planning stages for several years, consists in creating an arc of instability, chaos, and violence extending from Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria to Iraq, the Persian Gulf, Iran, and the borders of NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan.

Plans for Redrawing the Middle East: The Project for a ?New Middle East? | Global Research

 

[Hoffstra]

I fear that Congress will NOT listen to the vast majority of the American people on this issue.

We will attack Syria, which will lead to wider war including Israel, Turkey, Iran, maybe even Russia.

This is a BAD thing coming our way.

 

[Geaux4it]

I fear that Congress will NOT listen to the vast majority of the American people on this issue.

We will attack Syria, which will lead to wider war including Israel, Turkey, Iran, maybe even Russia.

This is a BAD thing coming our way.

I think Congress will not approve and Obama goes anyway against Americans, Congress, and the International community.

Russia said they have sent additional ships to the area to make sure International law and the rule of the UN hold the day

Smoke em if you got em

-Geaux

 

[Hoffstra]

I fear that Congress will NOT listen to the vast majority of the American people on this issue.

We will attack Syria, which will lead to wider war including Israel, Turkey, Iran, maybe even Russia.

This is a BAD thing coming our way.

I think Congress will not approve and Obama goes anyway against Americans, Congress, and the International community.

Russia said they have sent additional ships to the area to make sure International law and the rule of the UN hold the day

Smoke em if you got em

-Geaux

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[KissMy]

I fear that Congress will NOT listen to the vast majority of the American people on this issue.

We will attack Syria, which will lead to wider war including Israel, Turkey, Iran, maybe even Russia.

This is a BAD thing coming our way.

I think Congress will not approve and Obama goes anyway against Americans, Congress, and the International community.

Russia said they have sent additional ships to the area to make sure International law and the rule of the UN hold the day

Smoke em if you got em

-Geaux

What would Reagan do?

 

[RandallFlagg]

I fear that Congress will NOT listen to the vast majority of the American people on this issue.

We will attack Syria, which will lead to wider war including Israel, Turkey, Iran, maybe even Russia.

This is a BAD thing coming our way.

Agreed. Bad things coming.


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

-William Butler Yeats

 

[KissMy]

Al Jazeera live blog:

World leaders discussed the Syria crisis over dinner at the G20 summit but failed to bridge their deeply entrenched divisions over a US push for military action against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

Russia: We cannot accept US proofs of chemical weapon used in Syria, they are far from being convincing. It is impossible to say that very many states support the idea of a military operation.

China: War cannot solve the problem in Syria, political solution is the only way to end the Syria crisis.

UK: We have received new evidence that sarin gas had been used against civilians by the Syrian government.

EU: No military solution to the Syrian conflict.

UN Chief: Providing more arms to either side is not the answer. There is no military solution.

Sounds like the UK will be siding with the USA soon.