WAPO:Democrats falsely claim GOP tax plan will raise taxes for working-class families-4 Pinocchios

[Dschrute3]

It's all about indoctrination/misinformation. Democrat Fake News and the Left/Democrat-controlled School System, play the major role in the indoctrination/misinformation process.

 

[g5000]

Why are Dems lying about a tax plan that will help the middle class?


Analysis | Senate Democrats falsely claim GOP tax plan will raise taxes for most working-class families

Senate Democrats falsely claim GOP tax plan will raise taxes for most working-class families

On average, middle class families earning less than $86,000 would see a tax increase under the Republican ‘tax reform’ plan.”
— Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), in a tweet, Oct. 27

“The average tax increase on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 would be $794.00”
— Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr. (D-Pa.), in a tweet, Oct. 24

“Under GOP plan, U.S. families making ~$86k see avg tax increase of $794.”
— Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), in a tweet, Oct. 24

A reader asked whether Harris’s tweet was accurate. But when we looked into it, it turns out that many Democrats were tweeting the same talking point — that middle-class families would face an average tax increase under the GOP plan. The three tweets below are just a sampling.

On average, middle class families earning less than $86,000 would see a tax increase under the Republican “tax reform” plan.

— Kamala Harris (@SenKamalaHarris) October 27, 2017




The average tax increase on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 would be $794.00

— Senator Bob Casey (@SenBobCasey) October 24, 2017







It turns out this Twitter blizzard is the result of a bad game of telephone.

The Facts
We traced the talking point to a document put out by the Democratic Policy and Communications Committee, essentially the communications arm of Senate Democrats. That document laid out a series of statistics, tailored for each individual state, that purported to show how damaging the evolving Republican tax plan would be for middle-class Americans.

That document had this line on each state page: “The average tax increase on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 would be $794, a significant burden for middle-class families.”

This factoid in turn was sourced to a report by Democrats on the Joint Economic Committee. So we tracked that down.

That report had this line: “If enacted, the Republican tax reform proposal would saddle 8 million households that earn up to $86,100 with an average tax increase of $794 — a substantial expense for working families.”

Note the difference. The original report referred to 8 million households receiving a $794 tax increase. Somehow, when it got communicated down the line, that nuance was lost and it was translated into a talking point referring to allworking-class families.

Latoya Veal, spokeswoman for the JEC Democrats, explained how the number was calculated. The staff took an estimate by the Tax Policy Center, based on the GOP’s “Unified Framework” released in September. The staff then focused on the households making under $86,100 — the bottom three quintiles of taxpayers — that would face a tax increase. Weighting the tax increase by the number of people in each quintile, the staff came up with an average tax hike of $794 for the people receiving a tax increase.

the updated report makes clearer that 8 million households could face a tax increase — though again it fails to acknowledge that most people would have a tax cut.

The inaccurate tweets remain.

The Pinocchio Test
In their haste to condemn the GOP tax plan, Democrats have spread far and wide the false claim that families making less than $86,100 on average will face a hefty tax hike. Actually, it’s the opposite. Most families in that income range would get a tax cut. Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error.

Four Pinocchios

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What's it like to meltdown 7 days a week?

 

[Unkotare]

This tax plan is typical for the GOP. More for those who don't need it and less for everyone else. We can fight about the numbers all day long but that's what it ends up with. Rich guys don't write tax reform that benefits other people.

Typical liberal ^^^^ prepared this pre-fab ‘outrage ‘ years ago and has likely never looked at the proposal.

 

[BluesLegend]

Lets talk about Trump wins, Trump is abolishing the death tax and the dreaded alternative minimum tax AMT good job Mr. president!

 

[dudmuck]

Lets talk about Trump wins, Trump is abolishing the death tax and the dreaded alternative minimum tax AMT good job Mr. president!

Estate tax only applies to approx 0.2 percent of us.

 

[Guysguy]

This tax plan is typical for the GOP. More for those who don't need it and less for everyone else. We can fight about the numbers all day long but that's what it ends up with. Rich guys don't write tax reform that benefits other people.

Typical liberal ^^^^ prepared this pre-fab ‘outrage ‘ years ago and has likely never looked at the proposal.

There's essentially no reason to look at the proposal. The basics are the usual lies. It's not like this is a new thing.

 

[Guysguy]

Lets talk about Trump wins, Trump is abolishing the death tax and the dreaded alternative minimum tax AMT good job Mr. president!

The death tax, a tax that only hits very rich people who got very rich here and can't take it with them. That so mean of us.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Dems are really fucking stupid to blast the tax bill before actually reading it and running the numbers.

Dems simply do not want ANYTHING positive that happens in America to be credited to Trump or the Republicans AT ALL. It's not about what is best for the nation for Democrats, its about securing votes to stay in power to rip off the taxpayers and make themselves wealthy.

They are so disingenuous and transparent.

 

[BluesLegend]

Lets talk about Trump wins, Trump is abolishing the death tax and the dreaded alternative minimum tax AMT good job Mr. president!

The death tax, a tax that only hits very rich people who got very rich here and can't take it with them. That so mean of us.

They already paid all the taxes due on that money, right and wrong heard of it.

 

[ColonelAngus]

So...why are the Dems lying about the tax plan?

Why do they want to politically block a bill that is very good for the middle class and children?

Isn't that the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they CLAIM their motivation is?

Who are the RICH, and what is their FAIR SHARE of taxes?

 

[Unkotare]

This tax plan is typical for the GOP. More for those who don't need it and less for everyone else. We can fight about the numbers all day long but that's what it ends up with. Rich guys don't write tax reform that benefits other people.

Typical liberal ^^^^ prepared this pre-fab ‘outrage ‘ years ago and has likely never looked at the proposal.

There's essentially no reason to look at the proposal. The basics are the usual lies. It's not like this is a new thing.

Typical fucking liberal...

 

[AntonToo]

“If enacted, the Republican tax reform proposal would saddle 8 million households that earn up to $86,100 with an average tax increase of $794 — a substantial expense for working families.”


That’s not bad enough for you???

 

[healthmyths]

This tax plan is typical for the GOP. More for those who don't need it and less for everyone else. We can fight about the numbers all day long but that's what it ends up with. Rich guys don't write tax reform that benefits other people.

This isn't our first rodeo or the first time we've been lied to about it working out well for everyone. It didn't under Reagan or Bush and it won't under Trump. Just more federal debt and more wealth concentrated at the very top of America.

Example. A 20% top corporate rate instead of 35%? They already don't pay anything like either number. You might as well call it 0%, that's much closer to what most pay.

your analysis is at best simpleton.

My analysis isn't an analysis, it's American history.
View attachment 158382

No question about it! You are so right! Reagan increased the debt, so did GHB and GWB.... but what you don't seem to realize is that sandwiched before Reagan, after Clinton and Now Obama were the worst economies that were handed off to Reagan/GHB/GWB and now Trump!
Let's take Reagan's increase in national debt for example. WHICH YOUR 186% IS TOTALLY WRONG!
THE FACTS ACCORDING TO THE BELOW: NATIONAL DEBT IN 1986 $2,214,835,000,000!
Of which at an average during Reagan's presidency of 9% inflation would have $241 billion added by inflation.
Loss of tax revenue due to higher borrowing costs and unemployment: another $500 billion or when all is said and done Reagan's addition to National debt would have been
less then 95%!
But Reagan is a piker compared to Obama who with NO events, lowest inflation, lowest interest rate and only unemployment being high STILL found a way to
increase national debt by more then all the other 5 presidents combined!

FACTS... From the Federal Reserve.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

 

[Rambunctious]

Blue states may take a hit but they like paying more, they love high taxes or they wouldn't vote for their tax crazy leaders.

 

[jc456]

Why are Dems lying about a tax plan that will help the middle class?


Analysis | Senate Democrats falsely claim GOP tax plan will raise taxes for most working-class families

Senate Democrats falsely claim GOP tax plan will raise taxes for most working-class families

On average, middle class families earning less than $86,000 would see a tax increase under the Republican ‘tax reform’ plan.”
— Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), in a tweet, Oct. 27

“The average tax increase on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 would be $794.00”
— Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr. (D-Pa.), in a tweet, Oct. 24

“Under GOP plan, U.S. families making ~$86k see avg tax increase of $794.”
— Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), in a tweet, Oct. 24

A reader asked whether Harris’s tweet was accurate. But when we looked into it, it turns out that many Democrats were tweeting the same talking point — that middle-class families would face an average tax increase under the GOP plan. The three tweets below are just a sampling.

On average, middle class families earning less than $86,000 would see a tax increase under the Republican “tax reform” plan.

— Kamala Harris (@SenKamalaHarris) October 27, 2017




The average tax increase on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 would be $794.00

— Senator Bob Casey (@SenBobCasey) October 24, 2017







It turns out this Twitter blizzard is the result of a bad game of telephone.

The Facts
We traced the talking point to a document put out by the Democratic Policy and Communications Committee, essentially the communications arm of Senate Democrats. That document laid out a series of statistics, tailored for each individual state, that purported to show how damaging the evolving Republican tax plan would be for middle-class Americans.

That document had this line on each state page: “The average tax increase on families nationwide earning up to $86,100 would be $794, a significant burden for middle-class families.”

This factoid in turn was sourced to a report by Democrats on the Joint Economic Committee. So we tracked that down.

That report had this line: “If enacted, the Republican tax reform proposal would saddle 8 million households that earn up to $86,100 with an average tax increase of $794 — a substantial expense for working families.”

Note the difference. The original report referred to 8 million households receiving a $794 tax increase. Somehow, when it got communicated down the line, that nuance was lost and it was translated into a talking point referring to allworking-class families.

Latoya Veal, spokeswoman for the JEC Democrats, explained how the number was calculated. The staff took an estimate by the Tax Policy Center, based on the GOP’s “Unified Framework” released in September. The staff then focused on the households making under $86,100 — the bottom three quintiles of taxpayers — that would face a tax increase. Weighting the tax increase by the number of people in each quintile, the staff came up with an average tax hike of $794 for the people receiving a tax increase.

the updated report makes clearer that 8 million households could face a tax increase — though again it fails to acknowledge that most people would have a tax cut.

The inaccurate tweets remain.

The Pinocchio Test
In their haste to condemn the GOP tax plan, Democrats have spread far and wide the false claim that families making less than $86,100 on average will face a hefty tax hike. Actually, it’s the opposite. Most families in that income range would get a tax cut. Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error.

Four Pinocchios

again proving that libturd demolosers don't want to help the middle class. When one has to openly lie to them that's sad.

 

[Thinker101]

Let's see...Bill Clinton lies, Barrack Obama Lies, Hillary Clinton Lies, Susan Rice lies, Debbie Wasserman lies, the DNC lies....but on this issue they're telling the truth. Give me a fricken break.

 

[jc456]

The Dirty Democratic Party regards middle class taxpayers as its enemy and illegal aliens and Jihadist as its allies

What middle class? You mean the one we used to have that was a creation of the government and the unions? Those days are long gone now.

So you concede all future elections. wow.

 

[jc456]

Let's see...Bill Clinton lies, Barrack Obama Lies, Hillary Clinton Lies, Susan Rice lies, Debbie Wasserman lies, the DNC lies....but on this issue they're telling the truth. Give me a fricken break.

no they just proved they lied.

 

[Thinker101]

Let's see...Bill Clinton lies, Barrack Obama Lies, Hillary Clinton Lies, Susan Rice lies, Debbie Wasserman lies, the DNC lies....but on this issue they're telling the truth. Give me a fricken break.

no they just proved they lied.

My comment was sarcasm.

 

[Mike473]

The vast majority of s-corps are small service based businesses. Most split the business income into part salary and part profit. These businesses will be ineligible for the new business rate, as service businesses are excluded. In fact, they will now have to consider every penny earned as wages and pay the 15% FICA tax. We can debate whether they should have had to do that all along. But, the fact remains. Many of these businesses will have to pay thousands per year in extra payroll taxes than they did up until now. That is going to hurt a lot of small business. I would say most small businesses are way better off under the current law.

I support Trump on many issues, but this tax bill sucks in my opinion.