Voting Republican this term may end up changing the US Constitution to help the Far Right ideas

[scruffy]

See that Papageorgio - it is your typical right wing Trumper Republican you want to have control of Congress that you trust won’t fuck with the debt ceiling to have it dictatorially their way or no way.

YOU are leaving town, asswipe.

First things first

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Even if Pence did not certify the election, it would have meant nothing.

See Post #318

Pence was being pressured by Trump to commit fraud against the US Government and the people of the United States of America. He was being asked to recognize fake Trump electors from seven states that Biden won. If there truly were two sets of electors from those seven states then those states would be rejected and not counted in the electoral college totals - hence Trump gains a EC voted majority and is announced the winner. Trouble is - It is fraud.

BUT fraud had the potential to create chaos - Constitutional chaos with what Trump believed was an angry mob of angry supporters who were demanding the stolen election be thrown out on that particular day or America will be destroyed - over a million strong were there for Trump , is what Trump thought he had fighting with him.

Constitutional Chaos was the goal according to Trump’s handpicked brilliant constitutional lawyer who had it all planned out . . . .

So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well”​

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[whutTHEYsay]

asswipe

Trump in Texas yesterday in Texas

"I ran twice, I won twice,"

Now that is an asswioe

 

[OKTexas]

Much of the income is dark money, with the origins hidden. CMD has managed to identify some key donors – among them the Mercer Family Foundation set up by reclusive hedge fund manager Robert Mercer, and a couple of groups run by Leonard Leo, the mastermind behind the rightwing land grab in the federal courts.

More than $1m (£880,265) has also been donated in the form of Bitcoin.

The attraction to these groups and donors of pursuing a states route to rewriting the US constitution is easily explained. Over the past 12 years, since the eruption of the Tea Party in 2010, Republican activists have deployed extreme partisan gerrymandering to pull off an extraordinary takeover of state legislatures.

Bannon is not finished: his ‘precinct strategy’ could alter US elections for years
Read more
In 2010, Republicans controlled both chambers of just 14 state legislatures. Today, that number stands at 31.

“Republicans are near the high watermark in terms of their political control in the states, and that’s why the pro-Trump rightwing of the party is increasingly embracing the constitutional convention strategy,” said Arn Pearson, CMD’s executive director.

Should a convention be achieved, the plan would be to give states one vote each. There is no legal or historical basis for such an arrangement but its appeal is self-evident.

Inside Steve Bannon’s ‘disturbing’ quest to radically rewrite the US constitution

By taking over state legislatures, Republicans hope to pass conservative amendments that cannot be electorally challenged

www.theguardian.com

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This is serious. The Far Right are basically religious extremists and others with extremists views to change the politics of the US to the way they want it, keeping all other Parties from possibly ever achieving the passing of Human and Civil Rights or the Presidency again.

Voting for the Republicans thinking they will improve people's economy, etc, is only giving them the tools to achieve all of their goals.


Voting in 2022, and possibly in 2024, for economic reasons only, is not the way the voters will hopefully go.


Without our Human and Civil Rights in place by law, the economic costs do become higher to most people who cannot afford paying certain health issues, etc. Discriminations of all kinds, Racism, Homophobia, and many other forms only grow.
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Since Trump took office in January 2017, his administration has worked aggressively to turn back the clock on our nation’s civil and human rights progress. Here’s how.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks

Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.

civilrights.org

------------------------------------------------

Do the proper research. There is still time before November 8.

Please, do not vote only based on economy, inflation and crime, which Republicans are allegedly said to be good at. Think about where voting Republican could possibly lead this country into in a few years.

There are a lot of Billionaires and others who want the Republicans in power, so that they will continue to do what they are used to doing, which is not care about the population, about climate change, people's health, voting rights, etc.

Republicans want an end to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Can anyone afford to not have any of those if they need it, as the first two they receive them by right after a certain age?

Republicans, the PARTY which TAKES, and TAKES AWAY from the population. And give mostly to those who already have a lot of everything.

Think, before voting. Thank you.

Wow, more commie fear porn. I guess that's better than real porn in grade schools.

.

 

[OKTexas]

Functions very well.

My brain sees an endless number of Republicans who love to take people's rights aways from them, and give nothing back.

Republicans suppress votes for all they do not want to vote, especially if they vote for Democrats.

Women's rights? What rights should women have?

Children's rights? What rights should children have?

Right to be able to afford the medicine you need to save your life? Not with Republicans.

So on and so forth.


Rights Republicans like to see:

The Rights of companies to pollute the planet while they make any and all the money they can.

The right to make lots of money out of people's need for healthcare.


The right to not care that Hurricanes, droughts, Fires, etc are getting worse. Which are caused by so many Republicans not caring that they are helping in the cause of them getting worse.



So much more that they do not care about. Just give the politicians all the money they want and watch them not care that the net generations are going to be paying the price for it.

Many now are already paying for it. Just look at what happened in Florida with the last Hurricane. It could have been less destructive. Not thanks to Republicans who do not want to put money where it needs to save lives, or keep people from seeing their livelihood and homes destroyed. Be it in the US, or the rest of the world. The world is changing for the worse because some people do not want to change.



KEEP VOTING REPUBLICAN. Please .


More of the above can be achieved until there is almost nothing left.

Children's rights? What rights should children have?

How about the right to life.

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[whutTHEYsay]

How about the right to life.

NFBW: Are you advocating for an individual fertilized egg’s m; zygote’s; embryo’s; fetus’s possession of a constitutional personhood right to life knowing that such a right is nowhere to be found in the US Constitution?

Do you seek fetal personhoid to be imposed on pregnant women by an activist court with no constitutional foundation?

They only need use of their own unlimited activist “imagination” on the current Catholic dominated Supreme Court to grant a right to life to every unborn fetus at any stage during a pregnancy,,

If the Catholic SCOTUS wants fetal personhood such as an embryo’s right to life while attached to a US citizen’s uterus’s, to be in the Constitution m, did they invent a reason to already grant it in the Dobbs Decision already based on Vatican Law or something else which is not the US Constitution?

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[whutTHEYsay]

Well Unkotare , do you disagree with OKTexas as you disagree with me?

abortion was imposed by an activist court with no constitutional foundation, just the imagination of the court. They wanted it, so they invented a reason to grant it. This court went into a very detailed explanation why the Roe court got it so wrong.

BTW, the 2nd Amendment is actually part of the Constitution.

 

[Unkotare]

Well Unkotare , do you disagree with OKTexas as you disagree with me?

Clarify your question please.

 

[Papageorgio]

NFBW: I’m batting a thousand against you and every corrupted Republican mind here:

chaos: “Of course Pence did not have the power to overturn the election - Trump only wanted Pence to create chaos on Jan6 (the wild day) by recognizing the fake electors Trump had arranged to bring ti the ceremonial event on Jan6.

You are voting for the political party to win, that attempted to defraud the US government by creating chaos on January 6 including inciting its supporters to commit violence in order to stop the peaceful transfer of power to Joe Biden and thus shit upon the right to vote for every single Biden voter. That includes the mostly whiter than white political party shitting on the rights of nine out of ten black Americans who voted and their children and grandchildren coming up behind them.

Chaos was the plan Trump was hoping wouid work as he sat on his fat ass doing absolutely nothing to stop the violent attack on the US Governnent and the Constitution he as president took an oath to protect..

It is the Eastman memo that Trump intended to obstruct and subvert the CONSTITUTION. In the name of Each and every Republican except Cheney and Kizinger and all Republican never-Trumpers.

To your point Papageorgio I actually knew on Jan6,2021 that Pence did not have the authority to send electors certificates back to the state. So I knew Trump was lying.

What we all learned later was that Trump knew on Jan6 that Pence did not have that authority, and Trump knew the election was not stolen, but went ahead with his plot to create chaos and then the Constitution lays out it’s up to the House of Representatives to decide the entire election which Republicans held a one or two vote majority and could decide that Trump/Pence would serve a second term and it’s out with Biden’s win.

(see the Eastman memo following my exchanges with lennypartiv and Correll last this past January):

lennypartiv220129-#1,241 “Fine. Let's have a re-vote in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.”

NFBW220129-#1,242 “We cannot have a revote in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because the Constitution does not allow it in any way shape or form for any state that certified their electors by the constitutional deadline of December 14. - - - It is an observable fact that all fifty states certified their electors by that hard deadline. - - - It was over for Trump on December 14 as far as a legal path to a second term being available to him. - - - This is where the fake electors scandal comes into play. The fact that Trump pressured Pence to do something illegal is not an opinion as @Correll wants us to believe. That is because the only way that Pence could refuse to count the electors from any one state would be if he had received a duplicate set of electors from each of those states. But those states were certified so there was no reason to have a duplicate set of electors. - - - But we now know that there is a conspiracy involving the White House, Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer named John Eastman and 56 High ranking Republicans at the state level among seven states who put their signatures And a forgery claiming that they are the true electors for the state. That is a federal and state crime with sentences up to 20 years in prison. It is not a “so what” matter. 22JAN29-POST#1242..

THE PERTINENT PART OF THE EASTMAN MEMO from a full excerpt below;

chaos: So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.”​

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Almost the full memo; EASTMANplan-00
TRUMP-Jan6-COUPattempt “””

“”” PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL January 6 scenario 7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate.​

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READ: Trump lawyer's memo on six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election​

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By: CNN Updated 8:20 AM EDT, Tue September 21, 2021 21SEP21-EASTMANplan-00 TRUMP-Jan6-COUPattempt​

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READ: Trump lawyer's memo on six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election​

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John Eastman, a conservative lawyer working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, outlined in a two-page memo a scheme to try to persuade then-Vice President Mike Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the 2020 election results on January 6.​

​

1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).​

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2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.​

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3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.​

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4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.​

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Our country was safe despite the BS created by Trump, but at this time, I do not believe that keeping Democrats in control of spending is a wise idea, so by voting Republican we can slow down spending and pretty much stop it because Biden can veto and the Republicans wont have enough votes to override the veto. This way it keeps both parties in check and I trust neother of them to do the right thing if either has complete power. I will go back to voting for third parties next election unless one of the two parties can come up with a real leader but I won’t vote for clowns like Clinton, Trump or Biden as none are competent to lead us. So far neother party is any good, that is why I want a divided power, neother is worthy of full power.

 

[Papageorgio]

See that Papageorgio - it is your typical right wing Trumper Republican you want to have control of Congress that you trust won’t fuck with the debt ceiling to have it dictatorially their way or no way.

It has nothing to do with right wing or left wing, it has everything to do with not trusting either side with complete power. Democrats were willing to vote for a $6 trillion spending bill that would have sent inflation a lot further than it is. Then the Democrats by failing to pass the pork filled bill, now want to take credit for reducing deficit spending by $1.7 trillion! That is insane logic, they failed, the only ones that should have any credit given is Manchin and Sinema for saving the Democrats asses.

 

[Papageorgio]

See Post #318

Pence was being pressured by Trump to commit fraud against the US Government and the people of the United States of America. He was being asked to recognize fake Trump electors from seven states that Biden won. If there truly were two sets of electors from those seven states then those states would be rejected and not counted in the electoral college totals - hence Trump gains a EC voted majority and is announced the winner. Trouble is - It is fraud.

BUT fraud had the potential to create chaos - Constitutional chaos with what Trump believed was an angry mob of angry supporters who were demanding the stolen election be thrown out on that particular day or America will be destroyed - over a million strong were there for Trump , is what Trump thought he had fighting with him.

Constitutional Chaos was the goal according to Trump’s handpicked brilliant constitutional lawyer who had it all planned out . . . .

So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well”​

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So Pence did the right thing and had he not, Biden would still be President and life would go on. No chaos, the law was clear, no fraud, the law was clear, the states were bound by law to vote for The Who they elected. Again, you are making up scenarios that were not allowed by law and the points are moot because Pence did his duty despite what Trump wanted.

 

[hjmick]

Much of the income is dark money, with the origins hidden. CMD has managed to identify some key donors – among them the Mercer Family Foundation set up by reclusive hedge fund manager Robert Mercer, and a couple of groups run by Leonard Leo, the mastermind behind the rightwing land grab in the federal courts.

More than $1m (£880,265) has also been donated in the form of Bitcoin.

The attraction to these groups and donors of pursuing a states route to rewriting the US constitution is easily explained. Over the past 12 years, since the eruption of the Tea Party in 2010, Republican activists have deployed extreme partisan gerrymandering to pull off an extraordinary takeover of state legislatures.

Bannon is not finished: his ‘precinct strategy’ could alter US elections for years
Read more
In 2010, Republicans controlled both chambers of just 14 state legislatures. Today, that number stands at 31.

“Republicans are near the high watermark in terms of their political control in the states, and that’s why the pro-Trump rightwing of the party is increasingly embracing the constitutional convention strategy,” said Arn Pearson, CMD’s executive director.

Should a convention be achieved, the plan would be to give states one vote each. There is no legal or historical basis for such an arrangement but its appeal is self-evident.

Inside Steve Bannon’s ‘disturbing’ quest to radically rewrite the US constitution

By taking over state legislatures, Republicans hope to pass conservative amendments that cannot be electorally challenged

www.theguardian.com

-----------------------
This is serious. The Far Right are basically religious extremists and others with extremists views to change the politics of the US to the way they want it, keeping all other Parties from possibly ever achieving the passing of Human and Civil Rights or the Presidency again.

Voting for the Republicans thinking they will improve people's economy, etc, is only giving them the tools to achieve all of their goals.


Voting in 2022, and possibly in 2024, for economic reasons only, is not the way the voters will hopefully go.


Without our Human and Civil Rights in place by law, the economic costs do become higher to most people who cannot afford paying certain health issues, etc. Discriminations of all kinds, Racism, Homophobia, and many other forms only grow.
----------------------------------------------
Since Trump took office in January 2017, his administration has worked aggressively to turn back the clock on our nation’s civil and human rights progress. Here’s how.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks

Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.

civilrights.org

------------------------------------------------

Do the proper research. There is still time before November 8.

Please, do not vote only based on economy, inflation and crime, which Republicans are allegedly said to be good at. Think about where voting Republican could possibly lead this country into in a few years.

There are a lot of Billionaires and others who want the Republicans in power, so that they will continue to do what they are used to doing, which is not care about the population, about climate change, people's health, voting rights, etc.

Republicans want an end to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Can anyone afford to not have any of those if they need it, as the first two they receive them by right after a certain age?

Republicans, the PARTY which TAKES, and TAKES AWAY from the population. And give mostly to those who already have a lot of everything.

Think, before voting. Thank you.

Well, you know what President Obama said... "Elections have consequences."

If you're worried about how the mid-terms will go, I'd say that you should be pissed that some folks didn't do a better job impressing the voters these last two years.

And before you make an ass of yourself, just know that I am not particularly impressed or thrilled with the direction the MAGA right is likely to steer the national car. But neither am I impressed with the current drivers...

 

[whutTHEYsay]

So Pence did the right thing

This time. BUT That did not end it for Trump. He still wanted to join his violent angry that had already begun storming the Capitol when he tweeted to them that Pence betrayed them because Pence was a coward Leading to the chants to hang Mike Pence. THEN Trump does nothing to quell the violence.

Are you telling me that the current leader of The Republican Part was Constitutionally justified to attempt to overturn the election he lost because his Vice President was not willing to commit the crime that you call the wrong thing. And because Pence thwarted a coup attempt that ended in violence directed at police that I should trust a new Congress controlled by the terrorist sympathizing Trump base of the Republican Party not to try to hold Biden hostage to paying our booked debts because the man they think betrayed them on Jan6 was a good guy and did the right thing didn’t matter. . NO Bug deal. Life goes on. Trump was bullied by the left so lets just jet him be.,

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[whutTHEYsay]

No chaos

There was no Trump incited chaos in the Capitol on Jan6 you say.? what am I talking to.

There was no Constitutional chaos because Pence refused to make it happen. We were led to the brink by Trump and many Republican members of Congress who are still there. And worse are are coming in if the Trump goons turn out ro win their mid-term elections.

 

[Blaster]

I'm voting Republican in November.

 

[Papageorgio]

This time. BUT That did not end it for Trump. He still wanted to join his violent angry that had already begun storming the Capitol when he tweeted to them that Pence betrayed them because Pence was a coward Leading to the chants to hang Mike Pence. THEN Trump does nothing to quell the violence.

Are you telling me that the current leader of The Republican Part was Constitutionally justified to attempt to overturn the election he lost because his Vice President was not willing to commit the crime that you call the wrong thing. And because Pence thwarted a coup attempt that ended in violence directed at police that I should trust a new Congress controlled by the terrorist sympathizing Trump base of the Republican Party not to try to hold Biden hostage to paying our booked debts because the man they think betrayed them on Jan6 was a good guy and did the right thing didn’t matter. . NO Bug deal. Life goes on. Trump was bullied by the left so lets just jet him be.,

Why are you going off the rails and now playing games, we have been having a good conver and now you go accusing me of things I have not said. I will stick with the facts as the emotion stuff doesn’t work well in the real world. The would of, could of, should of are just that.

 

[Papageorgio]

There was no Trump incited chaos in the Capitol on Jan6 you say.? what am I talking to.

There was no Constitutional chaos because Pence refused to make it happen. We were led to the brink by Trump and many Republican members of Congress who are still there. And worse are are coming in if the Trump goons turn out ro win their mid-term elections.

There was a riot, and lasted a few hours, nothing was in danger, democracy was not in danger. The Constitution was upheld and there was no chaos with the Constitution, it was still legal and binding and was not in danger. are you going to honestly tell me that a thousand people were a threat of collapsing the government?

BTW, Trump was not wanting to join a mob, he doesn’t have the stomach for that, he is like all politicians, they sit and watch others do the physical work.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was a riot, and lasted a few hours, nothing was in danger, democracy was not in danger. The Constitution was upheld and there was no chaos with the Constitution, it was still legal and binding and was not in danger. are you going to honestly tell me that a thousand people were a threat of collapsing the government?

BTW, Trump was not wanting to join a mob, he doesn’t have the stomach for that, he is like all politicians, they sit and watch others do the physical work.

Nothing was in danger? No one was in danger? How did you come to that conclusion? Based on what?

There is plenty of evidence that shows that Trump did want to join the crowd going to the Capitol.
He was forced to go back Theo the WH and SIT and watch as it happened.