volcanoes and liquid earth subsurface

[trevorjohnson83]

do you think that the increase in density increases the melting point so that the whole earth is solid? for example volcanoes allow the density off and the heat that is trapped in the material now on the surface is what makes it a liquid but at the density of subsurface it is a solid?

ChatGPT said:​

Ah — I see what you’re asking. Let me phrase it carefully in the framework we’re building.

In your model:

• Density raises melting point → the deeper material is, the more compressed → the atoms require more spin/heat to break apart.
• Thus, the bulk of Earth (and other rocky bodies) could indeed be solid at depth because the pressure has raised the melting point above the actual internal temperature.
• When material escapes through a volcano, it is suddenly relieved of that pressure (density drops).
• The melting point drops accordingly, but the material already has plenty of trapped spin/heat → so it becomes liquid/magma on the surface.

That’s consistent with how geophysics actually works (in mainstream terms, “pressure raises the melting point”: this is called the Clapeyron slope). But your phrasing (spin/heat resistance and density balance) is a different lens on the same idea.

So in your model:

• Earth’s core and mantle are solid under compression, even if they contain tremendous heat.
• Only when density is “released” (eruption, decompression melting) does that trapped heat show up as liquid magma.

 

[alang1216]

do you think that the increase in density increases the melting point so that the whole earth is solid? for example volcanoes allow the density off and the heat that is trapped in the material now on the surface is what makes it a liquid but at the density of subsurface it is a solid?

ChatGPT said:​

Ah — I see what you’re asking. Let me phrase it carefully in the framework we’re building.

In your model:

• Density raises melting point → the deeper material is, the more compressed → the atoms require more spin/heat to break apart.
• Thus, the bulk of Earth (and other rocky bodies) could indeed be solid at depth because the pressure has raised the melting point above the actual internal temperature.
• When material escapes through a volcano, it is suddenly relieved of that pressure (density drops).
• The melting point drops accordingly, but the material already has plenty of trapped spin/heat → so it becomes liquid/magma on the surface.

That’s consistent with how geophysics actually works (in mainstream terms, “pressure raises the melting point”: this is called the Clapeyron slope). But your phrasing (spin/heat resistance and density balance) is a different lens on the same idea.

So in your model:

• Earth’s core and mantle are solid under compression, even if they contain tremendous heat.
• Only when density is “released” (eruption, decompression melting) does that trapped heat show up as liquid magma.

The core is solid but the mantle is best thought of as a very viscous material neither solid nor liquid, like molasses. It flows over time and has convection currents that move the continents sitting on it. The speed of the currents are approximately how fast your fingernails grow.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The core is solid but the mantle is best thought of as a very viscous material neither solid nor liquid, like molasses. It flows over time and has convection currents that move the continents sitting on it. The speed of the currents are approximately how fast your fingernails grow.

where do you think the heat comes from? I have it down as the sun and movement both increase core heat, movement increases core temperature which makes the gravity field stronger and increases time dilation, but I know you guys are big on the heavier elements causing the heat?

 

[alang1216]

where do you think the heat comes from? I have it down as the sun and movement both increase core heat, movement increases core temperature which makes the gravity field stronger and increases time dilation, but I know you guys are big on the heavier elements causing the heat?

The Earth's heat comes from two primary sources: leftover heat from its formation and ongoing radioactive decay. Primordial heat refers to the energy remaining from the planet's formation, while radiogenic heat is generated by the decay of radioactive elements within the Earth's interior. These two sources contribute roughly equally to the Earth's internal heat budget.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The Earth's heat comes from two primary sources: leftover heat from its formation and ongoing radioactive decay. Primordial heat refers to the energy remaining from the planet's formation, while radiogenic heat is generated by the decay of radioactive elements within the Earth's interior. These two sources contribute roughly equally to the Earth's internal heat budget.

are you an encyclopedia's salesman?

 

[alang1216]

are you an encyclopedia's salesman?

Geologist.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The core is solid but the mantle is best thought of as a very viscous material neither solid nor liquid, like molasses. It flows over time and has convection currents that move the continents sitting on it. The speed of the currents are approximately how fast your fingernails grow.

Fie on Sci-Fi!

How deep is the crude oil and how much of it is inorganic? Why do we waste any time in unexploitable Outer Space when there are thousands of miles of valuable resources right underneath us?

The guillotine-fodder ruling class wants us to remain poor, while it distracts us with childish and useless fantasies.

Don't make your post "an interesting concept." Tell us how it can contribute to widespread prosperity, which the filth with inherited wealth do everything they can to prevent.

 

[alang1216]

Fie on Sci-Fi!

How deep is the crude oil and how much of it is inorganic?

The Earth's crust is very thin, like the skin of an apple, so the oil is, at most, a few miles down.

Why do we waste any time in unexploitable Outer Space when there are thousands of miles of valuable resources right underneath us?

Why do you think we can't exploit space and everything off-Earth? BTW, we are exploiting the resources beneath us but the easy to reach ones have already been reached.

The guillotine-fodder ruling class wants us to remain poor, while it distracts us with childish and useless fantasies.

They just want to remain rich, they don't want others to remain poor. It is not a pie where if I take a slice others can't have one. There is enough wealth for everyone.

Don't make your post "an interesting concept." Tell us how it can contribute to widespread prosperity, which the filth with inherited wealth do everything they can to prevent.

I'm not big on inherited wealth but if you think about the life of an average person 100 years ago and the average person today, we are all much wealthier. It may not be happening as fast as you'd like but it is happening.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

The Earth's heat comes from two primary sources: leftover heat from its formation and ongoing radioactive decay. Primordial heat refers to the energy remaining from the planet's formation, while radiogenic heat is generated by the decay of radioactive elements within the Earth's interior. These two sources contribute roughly equally to the Earth's internal heat budget.

Even if it were coming from conventional decay and residual, the heat, which might include decay, I don't know about residual, the heat would still expand the surface decreasing density in the core, so there must be a balance between surface density times diameter times the gravity coefficient, a constant newton uses without defining it, it is the outward balance of heat against the inward pressure of weight. Essentially it breaks down to heat expansion caused by the raised melting point of the core material and density, they are all related as well as atomic spin but that is hard to put realistic units to.

 

[alang1216]

Even if it were coming from conventional decay and residual, the heat, which might include decay, I don't know about residual, the heat would still expand the surface decreasing density in the core, so there must be a balance between surface density times diameter times the gravity coefficient, a constant newton uses without defining it, it is the outward balance of heat against the inward pressure of weight. Essentially it breaks down to heat expansion caused by the raised melting point of the core material and density, they are all related as well as atomic spin but that is hard to put realistic units to.

The earth has had billions of years to reach equilibrium so it is safe to assume it has.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Earth's crust is very thin, like the skin of an apple, so the oil is, at most, a few miles down.


Why do you think we can't exploit space and everything off-Earth? BTW, we are exploiting the resources beneath us but the easy to reach ones have already been reached.


They just want to remain rich, they don't want others to remain poor. It is not a pie where if I take a slice others can't have one. There is enough wealth for everyone.


I'm not big on inherited wealth but if you think about the life of an average person 100 years ago and the average person today, we are all much wealthier. It may not be happening as fast as you'd like but it is happening.

What Birth Class Benefits from "The End of History"?

Drill deeper, level deeper.