Virginia Halts Concealed Carry Reciprocity With 25 States

[2aguy]

The German Model of gun control...only the police and military have guns...

FYI, nobody is advocating this.

Yes, they are.....anti gunners of all kinds want the German model of gun control....only the police and military will be allowed to have guns......
you see it here in every gun post...........

 

[2aguy]

The German Model was the one used to murder 12 million people.....and the Mexican Model is used to murder innocent Mexicans along the border.

Actually, that's taking quite a bit of liberty with history, don't you think? Not a single reputable historian will tell you the holocaust was due to gun control.

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Funny thing....we know exactly what happens to populations that are unarmed when their governments turn on them...every mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happens to people who are unarmed.....

Then try proving it rather than blaming the holocaust on gun control you ******* moron.

See, now you did it..........now you are on the naughty list and Santa is going to give you coal instead of the "My Little Pony" you wanted this year......too bad....

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually, that's taking quite a bit of liberty with history, don't you think? Not a single reputable historian will tell you the holocaust was due to gun control.

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Nope.....the Swiss kept the Germans from invading because they had over 400,000 law abiding citizens armed and ready to resist.....

Had the countries of Europe, including the Germans allowed their people to own and carry weapons, there would not have been the holocaust.....the German Socialists were able to murder and bully their opponents because they did not have guns to stop it...they used those tactics to take power, and then to murder 12 million people.

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

 

[2aguy]

The German Model was the one used to murder 12 million people.....and the Mexican Model is used to murder innocent Mexicans along the border.

Actually, that's taking quite a bit of liberty with history, don't you think? Not a single reputable historian will tell you the holocaust was due to gun control.

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Funny thing....we know exactly what happens to populations that are unarmed when their governments turn on them...every mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happens to people who are unarmed.....

Then try proving it rather than blaming the holocaust on gun control you ******* moron.

Show me one population that suffered mass murder, genocide or ethnic cleansing that was heavily armed and ready to resist...........

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually, that's taking quite a bit of liberty with history, don't you think? Not a single reputable historian will tell you the holocaust was due to gun control.

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Funny thing....we know exactly what happens to populations that are unarmed when their governments turn on them...every mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happens to people who are unarmed.....

Then try proving it rather than blaming the holocaust on gun control you ******* moron.

See, now you did it..........now you are on the naughty list and Santa is going to give you coal instead of the "My Little Pony" you wanted this year......too bad....

Neat, saying something without saying anything.

 

[2aguy]

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Nope.....the Swiss kept the Germans from invading because they had over 400,000 law abiding citizens armed and ready to resist.....

Had the countries of Europe, including the Germans allowed their people to own and carry weapons, there would not have been the holocaust.....the German Socialists were able to murder and bully their opponents because they did not have guns to stop it...they used those tactics to take power, and then to murder 12 million people.

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

 

[2aguy]

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Nope.....the Swiss kept the Germans from invading because they had over 400,000 law abiding citizens armed and ready to resist.....

Had the countries of Europe, including the Germans allowed their people to own and carry weapons, there would not have been the holocaust.....the German Socialists were able to murder and bully their opponents because they did not have guns to stop it...they used those tactics to take power, and then to murder 12 million people.

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army

And hitler hated them.....and yet did not invade them, the way he invaded everyone else.......had all the other countries of Europe had rifles and pistols and been prepared to resist to the same level........the war may not have happened......dittos the death camps....

All made possible because of the German Model for gun control...only the police and military have guns.....

Or if you prefer the Mexican Model...again, where only the police and military have access to guns....and you can tell by all the dead Mexican Citizens murdered by the government and their cartel patrons...along our border.

 

[2aguy]

Didn't say it was the cause...I said the German's used gun control to murder 12 million people.....people who had no way to defend themselves since they were disarmed.

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Funny thing....we know exactly what happens to populations that are unarmed when their governments turn on them...every mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happens to people who are unarmed.....

Then try proving it rather than blaming the holocaust on gun control you ******* moron.

See, now you did it..........now you are on the naughty list and Santa is going to give you coal instead of the "My Little Pony" you wanted this year......too bad....

Neat, saying something without saying anything.

You know...maybe if you write...I am sorry for calling names, 1000 times before you go to bed tonight then just maybe...Santa will bring you your Easy Bake oven that you want....

 

[HappyJoy]

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Nope.....the Swiss kept the Germans from invading because they had over 400,000 law abiding citizens armed and ready to resist.....

Had the countries of Europe, including the Germans allowed their people to own and carry weapons, there would not have been the holocaust.....the German Socialists were able to murder and bully their opponents because they did not have guns to stop it...they used those tactics to take power, and then to murder 12 million people.

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

 

[2aguy]

Nope.....the Swiss kept the Germans from invading because they had over 400,000 law abiding citizens armed and ready to resist.....

Had the countries of Europe, including the Germans allowed their people to own and carry weapons, there would not have been the holocaust.....the German Socialists were able to murder and bully their opponents because they did not have guns to stop it...they used those tactics to take power, and then to murder 12 million people.

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

yep......they have they have limits on government provided ammo but can buy their own ammo......the only thing stopping any of them from spraying a school is that they just decide not to do it.

 

[HappyJoy]

The Germans also used trains.

There isn't a credible source anywhere that will tell you the holocaust would have been avoided because of looser gun laws. That's on the ******* ridiculous side of the scale of "Is this ridiculous?"

Funny thing....we know exactly what happens to populations that are unarmed when their governments turn on them...every mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happens to people who are unarmed.....

Then try proving it rather than blaming the holocaust on gun control you ******* moron.

See, now you did it..........now you are on the naughty list and Santa is going to give you coal instead of the "My Little Pony" you wanted this year......too bad....

Neat, saying something without saying anything.

You know...maybe if you write...I am sorry for calling names, 1000 times before you go to bed tonight then just maybe...Santa will bring you your Easy Bake oven that you want....

Maybe if you only lied to yourself for a change rather than trying to convince others. In the meantime, find a source that says gun control was the cause of the holocaust or whatever countries Hitler chose to invade.

 

[2aguy]

Nope.....the Swiss kept the Germans from invading because they had over 400,000 law abiding citizens armed and ready to resist.....

Had the countries of Europe, including the Germans allowed their people to own and carry weapons, there would not have been the holocaust.....the German Socialists were able to murder and bully their opponents because they did not have guns to stop it...they used those tactics to take power, and then to murder 12 million people.

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

Openly carry in the streets....not unless they are going to shoot up a school...

Try catching up...

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

 

[HappyJoy]

Really? You honestly think Germany didn't invade Switzerland due to gun control laws? Switzerland was neutral and would have opened a new costly front for Germany if they invaded. There is no evidence gun control laws made the holocaust happen or Germany's plans with Switzerland. You're delusional.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

yep......they have they have limits on government provided ammo but can buy their own ammo......the only thing stopping any of them from spraying a school is that they just decide not to do it.

Their ammunition is regulated and controlled, but nice try.

Merry Christmas, Switzerland has tighter gun control laws than we do, have a happy new year.

 

[2aguy]

Funny thing....we know exactly what happens to populations that are unarmed when their governments turn on them...every mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happens to people who are unarmed.....

Then try proving it rather than blaming the holocaust on gun control you ******* moron.

See, now you did it..........now you are on the naughty list and Santa is going to give you coal instead of the "My Little Pony" you wanted this year......too bad....

Neat, saying something without saying anything.

You know...maybe if you write...I am sorry for calling names, 1000 times before you go to bed tonight then just maybe...Santa will bring you your Easy Bake oven that you want....

Maybe if you only lied to yourself for a change rather than trying to convince others. In the meantime, find a source that says gun control was the cause of the holocaust or whatever countries Hitler chose to invade.

I didn't say gun control caused the holocaust twit...I said gun control made it possible to murder 12 million people.....unarmed people.

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

yep......they have they have limits on government provided ammo but can buy their own ammo......the only thing stopping any of them from spraying a school is that they just decide not to do it.

Their ammunition is regulated and controlled, but nice try.

Merry Christmas, Switzerland has tighter gun control laws than we do, have a happy new year.

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

yep......they have they have limits on government provided ammo but can buy their own ammo......the only thing stopping any of them from spraying a school is that they just decide not to do it.

Their ammunition is regulated and controlled, but nice try.

Merry Christmas, Switzerland has tighter gun control laws than we do, have a happy new year.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 automatic assault rifles and officers are given pistol, Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use. (Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation. Starting in the 1994, the government will give ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy military ammunition (7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols, which is sold at cost by the government, for target practice Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to no sales controls. Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition. Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army sells a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons. Purchasers of these weapons require an easily obtained cantonal license, and the weapons are registered, In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,00 fully automatic assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns. Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides subsidised military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too. While long guns require no special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority. A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are no restrictions on the carrying of long guns. About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have no rules at all There is no discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

 

[2aguy]

And more updated...you were saying about their ammo...

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.


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One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation.

Kids as young as 12 belong to gun groups in their local communities, where they learn sharpshooting.

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club. And yet, despite such easy access to pistols and rifles, “no members have ever used their guns for criminal purposes,” says Max Flueckiger, the association’s spokesperson.


Hmmmmm...you were saying......?

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


And once the Germans defeated the weak militaries of the countries of Europe, their unarmed civilian populations had no way to fight a credible resistance/Guerilla war against the Germans....If 435,000 people in each of the occupied countries fought against the invaders, Germany would have had to retreat.....but no....the civilians were disarmed and easy victims...

And 12 million Europeans were put to death in German death camps...

Yes, Switzerland had a civilian army, a large one. Btw, Switzerland has more gun control laws than the U.S. today.

And they have select fire military rifles....that means fully auto rifles , in almost all of their homes........

Are you saying the Swiss can just openly carried loaded automatic weapons in the streets? There is no registration or background checks? Limits on the amount of ammunition you can own?

I don't think your gun-fetish utopia is what you think it is, shame on you.

Or, you know better and you're just lying.

Anyway, I have to go again and celebrate. Nice to see you're as infactual as the last time.

yep......they have they have limits on government provided ammo but can buy their own ammo......the only thing stopping any of them from spraying a school is that they just decide not to do it.

Their ammunition is regulated and controlled, but nice try.

Merry Christmas, Switzerland has tighter gun control laws than we do, have a happy new year.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club. And yet, despite such easy access to pistols and rifles, “no members have ever used their guns for criminal purposes,” says Max Flueckiger, the association’s spokesperson.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sad to see Virginia go Communist/Progressive. Nuff said.

Yeah. Those bastards. Not letting illegal immigrants, mental patients, wife beaters, or felons conceal carry. For shame!

What's this country coming to when a drug dealer isn't allowed to conceal carry?

OMG!!!

You're a ******* genius!!!

Of course someone here illegally is going to register their guns!

Can you bottle and sell your brand of genius?

Wyle E g5000, Super Genius

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, you think it would be much simpler, and much simpler doesn't give us a proper answer.

If you're making a claim, make a claim that you know. So far you're making a claim which isn't backed by anything you know.

So, they went and attacked a place in California. Did they attack because it was a "gun free zone", or did they just choose a place? Would it have made a difference had it not been a "gun free zone" or not?

Yes, you could go on and on, and you're not talking about mass shootings in non-gun free zones. Which means that what you're saying doesn't present us with a balanced picture at all.

As for me providing mass murders in non-gun free zones. Why should I? My point is that gun free zones might be places that are more likely to be shot up, hence why they become gun free zones in the first place, to reduce the instance of guns in this area.

Most of these are schools or places of education where young people are sometimes rebelling against their lives.

30 Deadliest Mass Shootings in U.S. History Fast Facts - CNN.com

But there's the 30 deadliest mass shootings.

The first two are schools.
The next one in 1991 happened in a cafeteria.
1984, 1966, 1986, 1983, 1982, 1949, 1990, 1989 and 1982 all happened before the gun free schools zone act was passed in October 1990 and effective January 1991.

1993, a law office and various others happened in places that were public.

Report: 92 Percent of Mass Shootings Since 2009 Occurred in Gun-Free Zones - Breitbart

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On October 9, the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) released a revised report showing that 92% of mass public shootings between January 2009 and July 2014 took place in gun-free zones."

"The CPRC report was released in response to an Everytown for Gun Safety study claiming only 14% of mass public shootings took place in gun-free zones. "

Oh great, one report says 92% in gun free zones, another says 14%. So you believe who you will.

"CPRC showed that the 86% claim rests on Everytown’s “inclusion of attacks in private homes” and “numerous errors in identifying whether citizens can defend themselves.”"

Was the CPRC's information correct? Probably not.

What about Everytown's? Is their correct? Probably not.

There's lot of analysis of information that needs to be done. Yes, people like their simple statements that "prove" what they want to be proven, but does it actually make sense? Probably not.

The fact remains that most of these mass shootings took place in gun restricted zones. Go ahead and try to make a case that it was coincidence or that (for some reason) those places were more prone to such crimes.

What you fail to recognize is that the law of odds are against you. In most states with CCW laws, there are few places where guns are actually restricted. If you had plans to carry out a mass murder, you would have to go out of your way to find such places.

If you wanted to steal a car from a dealership, would you choose one that left the keys in the cars or one that you had to hot-wire to get started? If you wanted to rob a business or home, would you choose one that was alarmed or one that had no alarm at all?

To say that dealerships that leave their keys in the car get robbed more often or homes and businesses that have no alarm system the same is just dumb luck is to ignore the opportunities presented to the criminal.

Yes, criminals look for opportunities believe it or not.

The fact? what fact is this?

Again, if things happen in gun restricted zones, is this because it's a gun restricted zone, or because it's a public place?

I don't care if you think the odds are against me. You haven't proven anything. And if it carries on like this the odds are well in my favor.

There are all kinds of public places that have no gun restrictions. Hell, just walk downtown where hundreds of people are and a shooter has that opportunity. Go to a park, a beach, a bar that's having a live band and dancing. All gun free places. But shooters don't choose those places. Why?

If half of the public places were gun-free zones and half of the shootings took place in gun-free zones, you might have a point. But since gun-free zones are small and most of the mass shootings happen in those places, the odds are well against you.

Why? You're asking a very, VERY complex question. You're trying to get inside of the minds of people who commit these acts, and claim they've all got the same thought process, and you're trying to claim it's simple.

School killings. Do they happen because schools are places without guns, or do they happen because kids go crazy and they're targeting those people who they think have done them wrong?

Those with religious views might shoot up a place where they see whatever it is they're against, the California massacre appears to be people who got angry with America and then took it out on those they knew.

How many of these mass killing do you KNOW happened in a gun free zone because it was a gun free zone? How many?

Just to make you happy, why don't we say it's luck. That being said, why not just get rid of more gun-free zones because they are unlucky?

It doesn't make me happy. What would make me happy is that you back up your statements with sources to your "facts".

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The fact remains that most of these mass shootings took place in gun restricted zones. Go ahead and try to make a case that it was coincidence or that (for some reason) those places were more prone to such crimes.

What you fail to recognize is that the law of odds are against you. In most states with CCW laws, there are few places where guns are actually restricted. If you had plans to carry out a mass murder, you would have to go out of your way to find such places.

If you wanted to steal a car from a dealership, would you choose one that left the keys in the cars or one that you had to hot-wire to get started? If you wanted to rob a business or home, would you choose one that was alarmed or one that had no alarm at all?

To say that dealerships that leave their keys in the car get robbed more often or homes and businesses that have no alarm system the same is just dumb luck is to ignore the opportunities presented to the criminal.

Yes, criminals look for opportunities believe it or not.

The fact? what fact is this?

Again, if things happen in gun restricted zones, is this because it's a gun restricted zone, or because it's a public place?

I don't care if you think the odds are against me. You haven't proven anything. And if it carries on like this the odds are well in my favor.

There are all kinds of public places that have no gun restrictions. Hell, just walk downtown where hundreds of people are and a shooter has that opportunity. Go to a park, a beach, a bar that's having a live band and dancing. All gun free places. But shooters don't choose those places. Why?

If half of the public places were gun-free zones and half of the shootings took place in gun-free zones, you might have a point. But since gun-free zones are small and most of the mass shootings happen in those places, the odds are well against you.

Why? You're asking a very, VERY complex question. You're trying to get inside of the minds of people who commit these acts, and claim they've all got the same thought process, and you're trying to claim it's simple.

School killings. Do they happen because schools are places without guns, or do they happen because kids go crazy and they're targeting those people who they think have done them wrong?

Those with religious views might shoot up a place where they see whatever it is they're against, the California massacre appears to be people who got angry with America and then took it out on those they knew.

How many of these mass killing do you KNOW happened in a gun free zone because it was a gun free zone? How many?

Just to make you happy, why don't we say it's luck. That being said, why not just get rid of more gun-free zones because they are unlucky?

It doesn't make me happy. What would make me happy is that you back up your statements with sources to your "facts".

I already did that. Fact: most mass shootings take place in gun-free zones. How is that not a fact?