Victory in Mosul, Daesh dead!

[Auld Phart]

Minor soldier in the Mujahideen.

Hardly minor, given the fact that his family resources provided massive amounts of logistics, support and recruitment of Arab Volunteers.

You see, here was the ugly little secret of Reagan's stupid support of rebels in Afghanistan. THe CIA didn't understand the Pushtans and the Tajiks and the Uzbeks and the other ethnic groups and their tribal customs. But Arabs who wanted to go over and kill infidels, the CIA had plenty of guys who spoke Arabic and could work with them.

Again, read a book, Stupid.

https://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593&tag=ff0d01-20

Again, read a book, Stupid.

AL QUEDA DID NOT EXIST WHILE REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT.

What will it take to get that into your head?

 

[JoeB131]

AL QUEDA DID NOT EXIST WHILE REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT.

What will it take to get that into your head?

repeating the same irrelevent point doesn't get you anywhere.

Bin Laden did exist, and teh CIA had him on the payroll.

 

[Auld Phart]

AL QUEDA DID NOT EXIST WHILE REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT.

What will it take to get that into your head?

repeating the same irrelevent point doesn't get you anywhere.

Bin Laden did exist, and teh CIA had him on the payroll.

IN the Mujahideen, he was a minor soldier.

After he left, and helped create Al Queda , his money and family standing gave him a leading role.

but, Al Queda did not exist while Reagan was president..



and you can't seem to get that fact into your tiny, locked brain.

 

[JoeB131]

IN the Mujahideen, he was a minor soldier.

No, he was a fairly major commander AND a major provider of logistics and support. That's what you don't seem to get. Or don't want to get. But I can't help you with your learning disability.

Bin Laden wasn't fighting the Russians because he though Communism sucked and Capitalism was nifty. He fought the Russians because the thought of women reading and wearing pants horrified him.

The CIA armed him anyway. Then acted all surprised when he flew planes into our skyscrapers.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Okay, Dummy, what they were calling their little clubhouse in 1985 doesn't take away form the fact it was the same people in the club- Namely Bin Laden and Mullah Omar.

There is zero evidence thatwe gave aid of any sort to either Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. In fact there is zero evidence that the US funded the foreign jihadists we aided indigenous mujahadeen like the Lion of Panjshir Ahmad Shah Massoud who went on to form the Northern Alliance which was the Talibans and Al Qaedas primary rival in Afghanistan.

They are willing to use ethnic cleansing and terror against Turks to get it.

You are a sick demented son of a bitch, it is the Turks that use terror and ethnic cleansing against the Kurds not the other way around.

But here's the thing, buddy. None of this is our problem. So in a couple of years, when these Kurds are blowing up Americans because we are allied with Turkey through NATO, you'll be right back here saying "Muzzies are EEEEEEvil" because we stuck our dicks in the hornet's nest... again.

Erdogan is an Islamist scumbag and is no friend of the United States and never has been he has tranformed Turkey from a secular democracy to a theocratic tyranny governed by state terror and political oppression, the Kurds on the other hand have never been anything but staunch and loyal allies to the United States and comprise one of if not the most secular and liberal Muslim groups on the planet.

 

[JoeB131]

There is zero evidence thatwe gave aid of any sort to either Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. In fact there is zero evidence that the US funded the foreign jihadists we aided indigenous mujahadeen like the Lion of Panjshir Ahmad Shah Massoud who went on to form the Northern Alliance which was the Talibans and Al Qaedas primary rival in Afghanistan.

Again, read a book. The CIA preferred dealing with the Arab fighters because they could communicate with them.

You are a sick demented son of a bitch, it is the Turks that use terror and ethnic cleansing against the Kurds not the other way around.

Again, do some reading, stupid.

Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) - Wikipedia

Erdogan is an Islamist scumbag and is no friend of the United States and never has been he has tranformed Turkey from a secular democracy to a theocratic tyranny governed by state terror and political oppression, the Kurds on the other hand have never been anything but staunch and loyal allies to the United States and comprise one of if not the most secular and liberal Muslim groups on the planet.

Well, Turkey can't call itself a "Democracy" if the military stages a coup every time the people voted for something they don't like. the only thing Erdogan did was break the power of the military to dictate to the government.

Again, NONE OF WHICH IS ANY OF OUR BUSINESS.

So in a few years, when the Kurds are blowing up American Embassies and Airliners because of our alliance with the Turks, keep in mind you exempted them from your "Muzzies are Eeeeevil" list.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

There is zero evidence thatwe gave aid of any sort to either Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. In fact there is zero evidence that the US funded the foreign jihadists we aided indigenous mujahadeen like the Lion of Panjshir Ahmad Shah Massoud who went on to form the Northern Alliance which was the Talibans and Al Qaedas primary rival in Afghanistan.

Again, read a book. The CIA preferred dealing with the Arab fighters because they could communicate with them.

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did, they had their own sources of funding from the wealthy gulf states.

Again, do some reading, stupid.

Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) - Wikipedia

Take your own advice yoy sick fuck:



Kurds have had a long history of discrimination and massacres perpetrated against them by the Turkish government.[1] Massacres have periodically occurred against the Kurds since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923. Among the most significant is the Dersim massacre where 13,160 civilians were killed by the Turkish Army and 11,818 people were taken into exile.[2] According to McDowall, 40,000 people were killed.[3] The Zilan massacre of 1930, was a massacre[4][5]of the Kurdish residents of Turkey during the Ararat rebellion, in which 5,000 to 47,000 were killed.[6]

The use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned and the Kurdish-inhabited areas remained under martial lawuntil 1946.[7] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until 1991.[8][9][10] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[11] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[12] Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[13]Since lifting of the ban in 1991, the Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. Currently, it's illegal to use the Kurdish language as an instruction language in private and public schools.

During the Kurdish-Turkish conflict, food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.[14][15] There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported out of their villages by Turkish security forces.[16] Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.[17][16] Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.[11]In 2013, a ceasefire effectively ended the violence until June 2015, when hostilities renewed between the PKK and the Turkish government over the Turkey–ISIL conflict. Violence was widely reported against ordinary Kurdish citizens and the headquarters and branches of the pro-Kurdish rights Peoples' Democratic Party were attacked by mobs.[18]The European Court of Human Rights has condemned Turkey for the thousands of human rights abuses.[19][20] Many judgments are related to systematic executions of Kurdish civilians,[21] torturing,[22] forced displacements,[23] destroyed villages,[24][25][26]arbitrary arrests,[27] murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists, activists and politicians.[28]

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey - Wikipedia

Well, Turkey can't call itself a "Democracy" if the military stages a coup every time the people voted for something they don't like. the only thing Erdogan did was break the power of the military to dictate to the government.

Again, NONE OF WHICH IS ANY OF OUR BUSINESS.

So in a few years, when the Kurds are blowing up American Embassies and Airliners because of our alliance with the Turks, keep in mind you exempted them from your "Muzzies are Eeeeevil" list.

Turkey can't call itself a democracy when they try to turn it into a theocracy, it has been the roll of the Turkish military since Ataturk founded the modern Turkish republic to maintain secularism in order to insure that representative republicanism is maintained whereby the will of the majority is respected only so long as the rights of the minority are not infringed upon.

And your assertion that Kurds will be attacking the U.S. just goes to demonstrate that you are one of the most politically illiterate morons on this board. God you're fucking dumb.

 

[Auld Phart]

There is zero evidence thatwe gave aid of any sort to either Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. In fact there is zero evidence that the US funded the foreign jihadists we aided indigenous mujahadeen like the Lion of Panjshir Ahmad Shah Massoud who went on to form the Northern Alliance which was the Talibans and Al Qaedas primary rival in Afghanistan.

Again, read a book. The CIA preferred dealing with the Arab fighters because they could communicate with them.

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did, they had their own sources of funding from the wealthy gulf states.

Again, do some reading, stupid.

Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) - Wikipedia

Take your own advice yoy sick fuck:



Kurds have had a long history of discrimination and massacres perpetrated against them by the Turkish government.[1] Massacres have periodically occurred against the Kurds since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923. Among the most significant is the Dersim massacre where 13,160 civilians were killed by the Turkish Army and 11,818 people were taken into exile.[2] According to McDowall, 40,000 people were killed.[3] The Zilan massacre of 1930, was a massacre[4][5]of the Kurdish residents of Turkey during the Ararat rebellion, in which 5,000 to 47,000 were killed.[6]

The use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned and the Kurdish-inhabited areas remained under martial lawuntil 1946.[7] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until 1991.[8][9][10] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[11] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[12] Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[13]Since lifting of the ban in 1991, the Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. Currently, it's illegal to use the Kurdish language as an instruction language in private and public schools.

During the Kurdish-Turkish conflict, food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.[14][15] There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported out of their villages by Turkish security forces.[16] Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.[17][16] Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.[11]In 2013, a ceasefire effectively ended the violence until June 2015, when hostilities renewed between the PKK and the Turkish government over the Turkey–ISIL conflict. Violence was widely reported against ordinary Kurdish citizens and the headquarters and branches of the pro-Kurdish rights Peoples' Democratic Party were attacked by mobs.[18]The European Court of Human Rights has condemned Turkey for the thousands of human rights abuses.[19][20] Many judgments are related to systematic executions of Kurdish civilians,[21] torturing,[22] forced displacements,[23] destroyed villages,[24][25][26]arbitrary arrests,[27] murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists, activists and politicians.[28]

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey - Wikipedia

Well, Turkey can't call itself a "Democracy" if the military stages a coup every time the people voted for something they don't like. the only thing Erdogan did was break the power of the military to dictate to the government.

Again, NONE OF WHICH IS ANY OF OUR BUSINESS.

So in a few years, when the Kurds are blowing up American Embassies and Airliners because of our alliance with the Turks, keep in mind you exempted them from your "Muzzies are Eeeeevil" list.

Turkey can't call itself a democracy when they try to turn it into a theocracy, it is the roll of the Turkish military since Ataturk founded their republic to maintain secularism to insure that representative republicanism is maintained whereby the will of the majority is maintained so long as the rights of the minority are not infringed upon.

And your assertion that Kurds will be attacking the U.S. just goes to demonstrate that you are one of the most politically illiterate morons on this board. God you're fucking dumb.

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did,

Started under Carter.
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

There is zero evidence thatwe gave aid of any sort to either Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. In fact there is zero evidence that the US funded the foreign jihadists we aided indigenous mujahadeen like the Lion of Panjshir Ahmad Shah Massoud who went on to form the Northern Alliance which was the Talibans and Al Qaedas primary rival in Afghanistan.

Again, read a book. The CIA preferred dealing with the Arab fighters because they could communicate with them.

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did, they had their own sources of funding from the wealthy gulf states.

Again, do some reading, stupid.

Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) - Wikipedia

Take your own advice yoy sick fuck:



Kurds have had a long history of discrimination and massacres perpetrated against them by the Turkish government.[1] Massacres have periodically occurred against the Kurds since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923. Among the most significant is the Dersim massacre where 13,160 civilians were killed by the Turkish Army and 11,818 people were taken into exile.[2] According to McDowall, 40,000 people were killed.[3] The Zilan massacre of 1930, was a massacre[4][5]of the Kurdish residents of Turkey during the Ararat rebellion, in which 5,000 to 47,000 were killed.[6]

The use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned and the Kurdish-inhabited areas remained under martial lawuntil 1946.[7] In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until 1991.[8][9][10] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[11] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[12] Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[13]Since lifting of the ban in 1991, the Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. Currently, it's illegal to use the Kurdish language as an instruction language in private and public schools.

During the Kurdish-Turkish conflict, food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.[14][15] There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported out of their villages by Turkish security forces.[16] Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.[17][16] Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.[11]In 2013, a ceasefire effectively ended the violence until June 2015, when hostilities renewed between the PKK and the Turkish government over the Turkey–ISIL conflict. Violence was widely reported against ordinary Kurdish citizens and the headquarters and branches of the pro-Kurdish rights Peoples' Democratic Party were attacked by mobs.[18]The European Court of Human Rights has condemned Turkey for the thousands of human rights abuses.[19][20] Many judgments are related to systematic executions of Kurdish civilians,[21] torturing,[22] forced displacements,[23] destroyed villages,[24][25][26]arbitrary arrests,[27] murdered and disappeared Kurdish journalists, activists and politicians.[28]

Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey - Wikipedia

Well, Turkey can't call itself a "Democracy" if the military stages a coup every time the people voted for something they don't like. the only thing Erdogan did was break the power of the military to dictate to the government.

Again, NONE OF WHICH IS ANY OF OUR BUSINESS.

So in a few years, when the Kurds are blowing up American Embassies and Airliners because of our alliance with the Turks, keep in mind you exempted them from your "Muzzies are Eeeeevil" list.

Turkey can't call itself a democracy when they try to turn it into a theocracy, it is the roll of the Turkish military since Ataturk founded their republic to maintain secularism to insure that representative republicanism is maintained whereby the will of the majority is maintained so long as the rights of the minority are not infringed upon.

And your assertion that Kurds will be attacking the U.S. just goes to demonstrate that you are one of the most politically illiterate morons on this board. God you're fucking dumb.

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did,

Started under Carter.
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

Not the foreign Arab jihadists we did not aid them in any way, shape, or form we aided the indigenous Afghan mujahadeen some of which would go on to join the Taliban but others of which would go on to form the Northern Alliance; such as, Ahmad Shah Massoud the Lion of Panjshir.


The so-called Afghan Arabs included some well-intentioned people, Bearden told us, but also a lot of “whack jobs,” including “an awful lot of derelicts emptied out of Saudi Arabian prisons. … It became sort of a Club Med Jihad.”

“For the most part, they were a joke, these guys,” Bearden said.

The CIA decided supporting the Arab fighters “would get out of hand,” he said. “There was no serious discussion of arming these Arab legions.”

There were “very few” Arabs who actually saw any combat in Afghanistan, Bearden said, although bin Laden got into a couple “dustups.” But that doesn’t mean their influence was not felt. Arab fundraisers were bringing in nearly $25 million a month at one point in the war, largely used for humanitarian and construction projects, Bearden said. And one of the most prominent fundraisers was bin Laden, although Bearden said that at the time bin Laden was largely unknown to U.S. intelligence.

The U.S. covertly funded the Afghan fighters through Pakistan. So how does Bearden know the Pakistanis didn’t simply give some of the money to the Arabs, including bin Laden?

“They didn’t,” Bearden said. “We had ways to check where the money was going.”

Besides, he said, the Arabs were “awash with money from the Gulf.” In other words, they didn’t need it. Bearden said the CIA made efforts to keep its support for Afghan forces “very discreet from everything else.”

“There was a policy not to do that [support the Arab fighters],” Bearden said. “The question is, ‘Did the CIA secretly support the radical Islamic Arabs in Afghanistan?’ The answer is absolutely not.”

Rand Paul's Bin Laden Claim Is 'Urban Myth' - FactCheck.org

 

[JoeB131]

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did, they had their own sources of funding from the wealthy gulf states.

Uh, yeah, we did. Read a book.

Turkey can't call itself a democracy when they try to turn it into a theocracy, it has been the roll of the Turkish military since Ataturk founded the modern Turkish republic to maintain secularism in order to insure that representative republicanism is maintained whereby the will of the majority is respected only so long as the rights of the minority are not infringed upon.

Uh, guy, what if the majority WANT theocracy? That's democracy. You might not like it but that's what it is.

Not the foreign Arab jihadists we did not aid them in any way, shape, or form we aided the indigenous Afghan mujahadeen some of which would go on to join the Taliban but others of which would go on to form the Northern Alliance; such as, Ahmad Shah Massoud the Lion of Panjshir.

guy, you can go on all day, but the fact is, we DID support the Arab jihadists, and they came back to bite us in the ass.

Osama Ben Laden: A creation of the CIA, by Michel Chossudovsky - internationalnews

Osama Bin Laden


Osama bin Laden, America's bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.


During the Reagan administration, Osama, who belonged to the wealthy Saudi Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities were used to finance the recruitment of Mujahieen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.

 

[Meathead]

Again you are historically ignorant we did not aid the foreign Arab mujahadeen in any way, shape, or form, and there is no evidence that we did, they had their own sources of funding from the wealthy gulf states.

Uh, yeah, we did. Read a book.

Turkey can't call itself a democracy when they try to turn it into a theocracy, it has been the roll of the Turkish military since Ataturk founded the modern Turkish republic to maintain secularism in order to insure that representative republicanism is maintained whereby the will of the majority is respected only so long as the rights of the minority are not infringed upon.

Uh, guy, what if the majority WANT theocracy? That's democracy. You might not like it but that's what it is.

Not the foreign Arab jihadists we did not aid them in any way, shape, or form we aided the indigenous Afghan mujahadeen some of which would go on to join the Taliban but others of which would go on to form the Northern Alliance; such as, Ahmad Shah Massoud the Lion of Panjshir.

guy, you can go on all day, but the fact is, we DID support the Arab jihadists, and they came back to bite us in the ass.

Osama Ben Laden: A creation of the CIA, by Michel Chossudovsky - internationalnews

Osama Bin Laden


Osama bin Laden, America's bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.


During the Reagan administration, Osama, who belonged to the wealthy Saudi Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities were used to finance the recruitment of Mujahieen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.

Joey, your first point was correct in that Carter started support for the anti-Soviet mujaheddin which included groups like the Northern Alliance who fought the Taliban. The rest is unadulterated conspiracy bullshit only someone with serious pathological damage would believe.

Why don't you go save some thugs lives on the streets of the shit hole where you live? Too dangerous?

 

[JoeB131]

Joey, your first point was correct in that Carter started support for the anti-Soviet mujaheddin which included groups like the Northern Alliance who fought the Taliban. The rest is unadulterated conspiracy bullshit only someone with serious pathological damage would believe.

This is why I have you on ignore, buddy, you never add anything to the conversation.

Yes, Carter Started it. And REagan escalated it and recruited guys like Bin Laden. Gorbachev BEGGED Reagan to stop so the whole region wouldn't be destabilized, and Reagan kept on doing it.

And now we all scratch our heads wondering why we have to take our shoes off at the airport.

 

[Meathead]

Joey, your first point was correct in that Carter started support for the anti-Soviet mujaheddin which included groups like the Northern Alliance who fought the Taliban. The rest is unadulterated conspiracy bullshit only someone with serious pathological damage would believe.

This is why I have you on ignore, buddy, you never add anything to the conversation.

Yes, Carter Started it. And REagan escalated it and recruited guys like Bin Laden. Gorbachev BEGGED Reagan to stop so the whole region wouldn't be destabilized, and Reagan kept on doing it.

And now we all scratch our heads wondering why we have to take our shoes off at the airport.

Joey, your first point was correct in that Carter started support for the anti-Soviet mujaheddin which included groups like the Northern Alliance who fought the Taliban. The rest is unadulterated conspiracy bullshit only someone with serious pathological damage would believe.

This is why I have you on ignore, buddy, you never add anything to the conversation.

Yes, Carter Started it. And REagan escalated it and recruited guys like Bin Laden. Gorbachev BEGGED Reagan to stop so the whole region wouldn't be destabilized, and Reagan kept on doing it.

And now we all scratch our heads wondering why we have to take our shoes off at the airport.

First off, I am not your buddy. Second, I am obviously not on ignore, but snowflake that you are I am sure you have a list, and finally Joey, you're full of shit. Degree in history - my ass.

 

[JoeB131]

First off, I am not your buddy. Second, I am obviously not on ignore, but snowflake that you are I am sure you have a list, and finally Joey, you're full of shit. Degree in history - my ass.

First, yes, you are on ignore and I don't read most of your posts.
Second, no, you are not anyone's buddy with your personality.
Third, sorry, man, I lived through the Reagan folly in Afghanistan, and a lot of people at the time asked these very valid questions about why we were supporting religious fanatics in Afghanistan when they were giving us so much trouble in Iran and Lebanon.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Uh, yeah, we did. Read a book.

I have, stop reading unsubstantiated far left propaganda

Uh, guy, what if the majority WANT theocracy? That's democracy. You might not like it but that's what it is.

No it is not, by your standards Nazi Germany was a democracy because they came to power through the democratic process, the only democratic systems which matter are liberal democracies which guarantee equality, liberty, and pluralism, they respect the rights of the majority only in so long as they don't violate the inalienable rights of the minority otherwise you have nothing but a tyranny of the masses.

guy, you can go on all day, but the fact is, we DID support the Arab jihadists, and they came back to bite us in the ass.

Osama Ben Laden: A creation of the CIA, by Michel Chossudovsky - internationalnews

Osama Bin Laden


Osama bin Laden, America's bogyman, was recruited by the CIA in 1979 at the very outset of the US sponsored jihad. He was 22 years old and was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp.


During the Reagan administration, Osama, who belonged to the wealthy Saudi Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities were used to finance the recruitment of Mujahieen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.

Pure myth not substantiated by a scrap of evidence:

The so-called Afghan Arabs included some well-intentioned people, Bearden told us, but also a lot of “whack jobs,” including “an awful lot of derelicts emptied out of Saudi Arabian prisons. … It became sort of a Club Med Jihad.”

“For the most part, they were a joke, these guys,” Bearden said.

The CIA decided supporting the Arab fighters “would get out of hand,” he said. “There was no serious discussion of arming these Arab legions.”

There were “very few” Arabs who actually saw any combat in Afghanistan, Bearden said, although bin Laden got into a couple “dustups.” But that doesn’t mean their influence was not felt. Arab fundraisers were bringing in nearly $25 million a month at one point in the war, largely used for humanitarian and construction projects, Bearden said. And one of the most prominent fundraisers was bin Laden, although Bearden said that at the time bin Laden was largely unknown to U.S. intelligence.

The U.S. covertly funded the Afghan fighters through Pakistan. So how does Bearden know the Pakistanis didn’t simply give some of the money to the Arabs, including bin Laden?

“They didn’t,” Bearden said. “We had ways to check where the money was going.”

Besides, he said, the Arabs were “awash with money from the Gulf.” In other words, they didn’t need it. Bearden said the CIA made efforts to keep its support for Afghan forces “very discreet from everything else.”

“There was a policy not to do that [support the Arab fighters],” Bearden said. “The question is, ‘Did the CIA secretly support the radical Islamic Arabs in Afghanistan?’ The answer is absolutely not.”

Rand Paul's Bin Laden Claim Is 'Urban Myth' - FactCheck.org

Provide the actual paper trail tying US finances to the foreign Arab jihadists, what guerilla camp did the CIA train him at, who recruited him, where is the evidence? Your laughably baseless claims from the far left activist and creator of the "global research" propaganda network Michel Chossudovsky means less than nothing you joke of a human being.

 

[JoeB131]

No it is not, by your standards Nazi Germany was a democracy because they came to power through the democratic process, the only democratic systems which matter are liberal democracies which guarantee equality, liberty, and pluralism, they respect the rights of the majority only in so long as they don't violate the inalienable rights of the minority otherwise you have nothing but a tyranny of the masses.

Okay. Let me know when they invent one of those.

Pure myth not substantiated by a scrap of evidence:

Other than tons of books that have been written on the subject by ex-CIA guys.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Okay. Let me know when they invent one of those.

All modern western democracies are liberal democracies, other examples would be South Korea, Japan etc.

Again by your standards Hamas controlled Gaza or Nazi Germany are democracies because a tyrannical political regime managed to obtain power through a democratic process, it's not how a regime comes to power it's what they do with it once they have it.

Other than tons of books that have been written on the subject by ex-CIA guys.

Provide the actual paper trail tying US finances/aid/training to the foreign Arab jihadists, what guerilla camp did the CIA train him at, who recruited him, where is the evidence?

 

[JoeB131]

All modern western democracies are liberal democracies, other examples would be South Korea, Japan etc.

Again by your standards Hamas controlled Gaza or Nazi Germany are democracies because a tyrannical political regime managed to obtain power through a democratic process, it's not how a regime comes to power it's what they do with it once they have it.

Okay, that's your opinion and stuff, if you really think the people have a say in their leadership and just don't have to put up with what the Rich want. But if you really think that, more power to you, Pollyanna.

Reality- No regime exists without the tacit support of its people. The "Good Germans" never show up.

Provide the actual paper trail tying US finances/aid/training to the foreign Arab jihadists, what guerilla camp did the CIA train him at, who recruited him, where is the evidence?

Um, I've posted that several times.

Now, I know you don't want to believe your God Reagan screwed this up, but he did.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Okay, that's your opinion and stuff, if you really think the people have a say in their leadership and just don't have to put up with what the Rich want. But if you really think that, more power to you, Pollyanna.

Reality- No regime exists without the tacit support of its people. The "Good Germans" never show up.

Yes it is my opinion and that of the majority of rational thinking humans that a tytanny established through the democratic process is no less a of a tyranny. You can take you peoples democracy tyranny of the masses propaganda and shove it right up your ass.

Um, I've posted that several times.

Um no you haven't you posted BS from the far left Mikel Chossudovsky who provided no evidence to back his claims. Again, rovide the actual paper trail tying US finances/aid/training to the foreign Arab jihadists, what guerilla camp did the CIA train him at, who recruited him, where is the evidence? Because you have not presented that in any way, shape, or form.

Oh and I've been meaning to tell you for awhike, Capaldi sucks 10th doctor 4 life.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes it is my opinion and that of the majority of rational thinking humans that a tytanny established through the democratic process is no less a of a tyranny. You can take you peoples democracy tyranny of the masses propaganda and shove it right up your ass.

Okay, real world. Most governments have the tacit support of their people.

Hitler was a bastard... but Germans fought to the last old man and little boy for him because he was their bastard.

Um no you haven't you posted BS from the far left Mikel Chossudovsky who provided no evidence to back his claims. Again, rovide the actual paper trail tying US finances/aid/training to the foreign Arab jihadists, what guerilla camp did the CIA train him at, who recruited him, where is the evidence? Because you have not presented that in any way, shape, or form.

Dude, if I had those papers, I'd be charged with treason... we havea government that keeps secrets from us...

Oh and I've been meaning to tell you for awhike, Capaldi sucks 10th doctor 4 life.

Meh... I like both of them in the role. When he regenerates on the Xmas special, I'll put the new guy up there, whoever that is.