Victims' Families Want To Air New 9/11 Truth Ad

[SFC Ollie]

The photo was taken yesterday, yes the age is showing in the grey facial hair and the extra 20 pounds. Age does things like that. But I can still do everything I could do 30 years ago. Which would include handling any little physical problems that might pop up.

Now that we have that out of the way, any actual evidence yet?





Didn't think so....

 

[whitehall]

If it wasn't the jihad who done it? We know that the jihad hijackers were going to flight school in the US during the Clinton administration so the conspiracy has to go back that far. If Clinton wasn't involved and Bush was only in office for about seven months dealing with Clinton appointees ....who did it...the IRA?

 

[eots]

The photo was taken yesterday, yes the age is showing in the grey facial hair and the extra 20 pounds. Age does things like that. But I can still do everything I could do 30 years ago. Which would include handling any little physical problems that might pop up.

Now that we have that out of the way, any actual evidence yet?





Didn't think so....

yer lookin good buddy... pay me no mind

 

[whitehall]

Victims families don't want to hear from conspiracy nuts. I'm tired of this shit. If Clinton didn't do it who do the conspiracy fanatics think did the inside job? I'm serious, who do you conspiracy people think had the skill and the timing to coordinate with crazy jihadists to blow up the WTC from the inside? The IRA? The Skull and Crossbones frat club?

 

[eots]

victims families don't want to hear from conspiracy nuts. I'm tired of this shit. If clinton didn't do it who do the conspiracy fanatics think did the inside job? I'm serious, who do you conspiracy people think had the skill and the timing to coordinate with crazy jihadists to blow up the wtc from the inside? The ira? The skull and crossbones frat club?

the same people that preform the other covert operations within the government..they possess a lot more resources and power than any muslim student could ever dream of....and yes indeed skull and bones...only 500 living members yet two of them are your only choices for president in the land of the free where anyone could be president

 

[eots]

9/11 Survivors and Family Members
Question the 9/11 Commission Report

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Gamolon]

No.

There were 24 columns in the center of the building and 58 perimeter columns (facade) as shown here.

If column 79 failed, what happened to the loads that column 79 supported in that area? How many trusses and girders do you see attached to column 79 in the above diagram. Now multiply that by how many floors. Where did all that weight go when column 79 failed?

Thermal expansion of floor beams breaking its beam seat connection and then causing a global collapse has never happened before, and very highly unlikely. Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces from thermal expansion because it is so rare. No structure before or after 9/11 has ever globally failed due to “thermal expansion” and it’s very doubtful if it was the cause of the collapse of WTC 7.
Thermal expansion for a 53 foot beam with a delta “T” of 654 F (752 – body temp) is less then 2.7 inches.

Another dishonest post? Why do you continue to try and make it look like you are the one posting this stuff when in fact all you are doing is copy and pasting it from other sources? Trying to make it look like you know what you are talking about? Again, this sounded TOO intelligent to be you so I looked up another sentence and found where you got this.
RE: WTC7: Comments by Jonathan Cole

Here is the whole quote.

Comment: Thermal expansion of floor beams breaking its beam seat connection and then causing a global collapse has never happened before, and very highly unlikely. Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces from thermal expansion because it is so rare. No structure before or after 9/11 has ever globally failed due to “thermal expansion” and it’s very doubtful if it was the cause of the collapse of WTC 7.

Reason for Comment: Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces for thermal expansion because it is so rare. Thermal expansion for a 53 foot beam with a delta “T” of 654 F (752 – body temp) is less then 2.7 inches.

You even removed the "Comment" and "No comment" fields you dishonest ****.

What's the matter Mr. Jones? Get caught being a dishonest asshole and then can't show your face to admit it?

 

[Gamolon]

so you are saying the building consisted of only columns supporting the penthouse and all others were "facaded columns"

Hey eots. What have you got to say now. One of your one kind has posted information that shows you to be a complete ass. Remember when you said structural engineers design for thermal expansion due to fires?

Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces from thermal expansion because it is so rare.

Better set your ***** straight and get on the same page.

D-bags.

No comments eots you witless goon?

I thought you said that structural engineers design and calculate allowances for thermal expansion due to office fires????

Seems you were just guessing at this point eh? Which is why you refused to provide a link or source for your claim. Typical truther underhanded tactics.

They don't design for thermal expansion from office fires. It's a RIGID support system designed to support loads you asshole.

No comment eots? I thought engineers designed for thermal expansion due to office fires?

 

[Mr. Jones]

Thermal expansion of floor beams breaking its beam seat connection and then causing a global collapse has never happened before, and very highly unlikely. Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces from thermal expansion because it is so rare. No structure before or after 9/11 has ever globally failed due to “thermal expansion” and it’s very doubtful if it was the cause of the collapse of WTC 7.
Thermal expansion for a 53 foot beam with a delta “T” of 654 F (752 – body temp) is less then 2.7 inches.

Another dishonest post? Why do you continue to try and make it look like you are the one posting this stuff when in fact all you are doing is copy and pasting it from other sources? Trying to make it look like you know what you are talking about? Again, this sounded TOO intelligent to be you so I looked up another sentence and found where you got this.
RE: WTC7: Comments by Jonathan Cole

Here is the whole quote.

Comment: Thermal expansion of floor beams breaking its beam seat connection and then causing a global collapse has never happened before, and very highly unlikely. Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces from thermal expansion because it is so rare. No structure before or after 9/11 has ever globally failed due to “thermal expansion” and it’s very doubtful if it was the cause of the collapse of WTC 7.

Reason for Comment: Structural engineers do not design connections for lateral forces for thermal expansion because it is so rare. Thermal expansion for a 53 foot beam with a delta “T” of 654 F (752 – body temp) is less then 2.7 inches.

You even removed the "Comment" and "No comment" fields you dishonest ****.

What's the matter Mr. Jones? Get caught being a dishonest asshole and then can't show your face to admit it?

Dishonesty is your forte asswipe, I've explained this to you already. but you obviously have absolutely nothing to back up your crazy assumptions that
the building did not fall straight down,
or that CD technology could not possibly been used to assist the collapse of WTC 7,
or that displaced damage to a building will make it collapse in a uniform fashion
, or that the rigid part of a structure will not try to resist collapsing.
You haven't proved any of your assertions, and because of this you have to resort to sidetracking the discussion like the worthless troll that you are.
Here try to explain these other fires that have not caused the buildings to collapse, with 2.25 secs. of freefall.You haven't even tried to address the 1975 fire in the N tower, and explained to us why the tower didn't collapse even partially!!
Or why didn't the Empire State building collapse or even partially collapse when it was hit in 1945?
Here's the link fuckwad have at it.
9-11 Research: Other Skyscraper Fires

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Another dishonest post? Why do you continue to try and make it look like you are the one posting this stuff when in fact all you are doing is copy and pasting it from other sources? Trying to make it look like you know what you are talking about? Again, this sounded TOO intelligent to be you so I looked up another sentence and found where you got this.
RE: WTC7: Comments by Jonathan Cole

Here is the whole quote.


You even removed the "Comment" and "No comment" fields you dishonest ****.

What's the matter Mr. Jones? Get caught being a dishonest asshole and then can't show your face to admit it?

Dishonesty is your forte asswipe, I've explained this to you already. but you obviously have absolutely nothing to back up your crazy assumptions that
the building did not fall straight down,
or that CD technology could not possibly been used to assist the collapse of WTC 7,
or that displaced damage to a building will make it collapse in a uniform fashion
, or that the rigid part of a structure will not try to resist collapsing.
You haven't proved any of your assertions, and because of this you have to resort to sidetracking the discussion like the worthless troll that you are.
Here try to explain these other fires that have not caused the buildings to collapse, with 2.25 secs. of freefall.You haven't even tried to address the 1975 fire in the N tower, and explained to us why the tower didn't collapse even partially!!
Or why didn't the Empire State building collapse or even partially collapse when it was hit in 1945?
Here's the link fuckwad have at it.
9-11 Research: Other Skyscraper Fires

ask the asswipe troll how come all protocals were violated that day,evidence was destroyed and removed and not one person lost their job for their alleged incompetence at NORAD or nobody arrested for the illegal destruction of evidence.thats why all these 9/11 discussions are all for nothing,the case is closed that it was an inside job.these shills and Brainwashed Bush dupes cant get around that fact which is why all these 9/11 discussions are mute. The Minnesota senator asked those questions to congress and was removed from office shortly after that.anytime people in government question the official version they get removed from office.why waste time with trolls like him when they cant get around these facts?

 

[eots]

hey eots. What have you got to say now. One of your one kind has posted information that shows you to be a complete ass. Remember when you said structural engineers design for thermal expansion due to fires?



Better set your ***** straight and get on the same page.

D-bags.

no comments eots you witless goon?

I thought you said that structural engineers design and calculate allowances for thermal expansion due to office fires????

Seems you were just guessing at this point eh? Which is why you refused to provide a link or source for your claim. Typical truther underhanded tactics.

They don't design for thermal expansion from office fires. It's a rigid support system designed to support loads you asshole.

no comment eots? I thought engineers designed for thermal expansion due to office fires?

i said that engineers are well of the effects of fire on a steel framed hi-rise and take it in to consideration in the design are you actually trying to say they are not aware of the effects of fire and do not consider it in the design

 

[PhysicsExist]

Explosive Residues
Independent researchers have discovered a highly engineered explosive-incendiary material in several dust samples collected near the WTC site. In their paper, entitled Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, nine researchers, led by chemist Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen, conclude:

“[T]he red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

REFERENCES

Harrit, Farrer, Jones, Ryan, Legge, Farnsworth, Roberts, Gourley, Larsen, “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe,” Bentham Open Access, 2009. http://rememberbuilding7.org/downloads/Full_Thermite_paper.pdf

Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.

7 FACTS ABOUT BUILDING 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.

3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.

4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.

5) 1,400+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation that would include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives for the collapse of Building 7.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.

 

[SFC Ollie]

7 FACTS ABOUT BUILDING 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
There is a first time for everything.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
It was not the purpose of the 911CR to explain the physics of the collapses but to show who did what to cause it all to happen.
3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.
Because it is just another building of about 10 that were destroyed because of this attack. Some we had to demolish later.
4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.
Must have been a pretty thorough report.

5) 1,400+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation that would include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives for the collapse of Building 7.
1400 = about 0.01% of those in the United States, and that would be on the high side.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.
AND?

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.
A good reason not to destroy the building.


DUH!

 

[PhysicsExist]

7 FACTS ABOUT BUILDING 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
There is a first time for everything.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
It was not the purpose of the 911CR to explain the physics of the collapses but to show who did what to cause it all to happen.
3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.
Because it is just another building of about 10 that were destroyed because of this attack. Some we had to demolish later.
4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.
Must have been a pretty thorough report.

5) 1,400+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation that would include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives for the collapse of Building 7.
1400 = about 0.01% of those in the United States, and that would be on the high side.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.
AND?

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.
A good reason not to destroy the building.


DUH!

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - What is Building 7 ?

Military Officers for 9/11 Truth
As officers in the U.S. military, we took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Regardless of our current status -- active duty, reserves, retired, or civilian -- that oath remains in force.

Therefore it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, how much we have to suffer, or where it leads us. We owe this to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and we owe it to those who are following that same oath today in Iraq and Afghanistan. We believe the official account of 9/11 as defined in the 9/11 Commission Report is grossly inaccurate and fatally flawed. It is imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that those responsible can be identified and brought to justice in order that they and similarly-minded people never again commit such heinous crimes. It is also imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that governmental policies resulting from 9/11 are based on truth rather than deception.

We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.

 

[SFC Ollie]

7 FACTS ABOUT BUILDING 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
There is a first time for everything.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
It was not the purpose of the 911CR to explain the physics of the collapses but to show who did what to cause it all to happen.
3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.
Because it is just another building of about 10 that were destroyed because of this attack. Some we had to demolish later.
4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.
Must have been a pretty thorough report.

5) 1,400+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation that would include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives for the collapse of Building 7.
1400 = about 0.01% of those in the United States, and that would be on the high side.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.
AND?

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.
A good reason not to destroy the building.


DUH!

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - What is Building 7 ?

Military Officers for 9/11 Truth
As officers in the U.S. military, we took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Regardless of our current status -- active duty, reserves, retired, or civilian -- that oath remains in force.

Therefore it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, how much we have to suffer, or where it leads us. We owe this to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and we owe it to those who are following that same oath today in Iraq and Afghanistan. We believe the official account of 9/11 as defined in the 9/11 Commission Report is grossly inaccurate and fatally flawed. It is imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that those responsible can be identified and brought to justice in order that they and similarly-minded people never again commit such heinous crimes. It is also imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that governmental policies resulting from 9/11 are based on truth rather than deception.

We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.

Child you have been owned again.... LOL

 

[eots]

7 FACTS ABOUT BUILDING 7

1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise.
There is a first time for everything.

2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.
It was not the purpose of the 911CR to explain the physics of the collapses but to show who did what to cause it all to happen.
3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7.
Because it is just another building of about 10 that were destroyed because of this attack. Some we had to demolish later.
4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7.
Must have been a pretty thorough report.

5) 1,400+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation that would include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives for the collapse of Building 7.
1400 = about 0.01% of those in the United States, and that would be on the high side.

6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner.
AND?

7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”.
A good reason not to destroy the building.


DUH!

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - What is Building 7 ?

Military Officers for 9/11 Truth
As officers in the U.S. military, we took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Regardless of our current status -- active duty, reserves, retired, or civilian -- that oath remains in force.

Therefore it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, how much we have to suffer, or where it leads us. We owe this to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and we owe it to those who are following that same oath today in Iraq and Afghanistan. We believe the official account of 9/11 as defined in the 9/11 Commission Report is grossly inaccurate and fatally flawed. It is imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that those responsible can be identified and brought to justice in order that they and similarly-minded people never again commit such heinous crimes. It is also imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that governmental policies resulting from 9/11 are based on truth rather than deception.

We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.

Child you have been owned again.... LOL

how ? by whom ?....try again olie..you are starting to sound like cornyhole

 

[Gamolon]

Another dishonest post? Why do you continue to try and make it look like you are the one posting this stuff when in fact all you are doing is copy and pasting it from other sources? Trying to make it look like you know what you are talking about? Again, this sounded TOO intelligent to be you so I looked up another sentence and found where you got this.
RE: WTC7: Comments by Jonathan Cole

Here is the whole quote.


You even removed the "Comment" and "No comment" fields you dishonest ****.

What's the matter Mr. Jones? Get caught being a dishonest asshole and then can't show your face to admit it?

Dishonesty is your forte asswipe, I've explained this to you already. but you obviously have absolutely nothing to back up your crazy assumptions that
the building did not fall straight down,
or that CD technology could not possibly been used to assist the collapse of WTC 7,
or that displaced damage to a building will make it collapse in a uniform fashion
, or that the rigid part of a structure will not try to resist collapsing.
You haven't proved any of your assertions, and because of this you have to resort to sidetracking the discussion like the worthless troll that you are.
Here try to explain these other fires that have not caused the buildings to collapse, with 2.25 secs. of freefall.You haven't even tried to address the 1975 fire in the N tower, and explained to us why the tower didn't collapse even partially!!
Or why didn't the Empire State building collapse or even partially collapse when it was hit in 1945?
Here's the link fuckwad have at it.
9-11 Research: Other Skyscraper Fires

Hey stupid.

I have asked this of you and your ilk before and nobody has an answer. Please show me which of those buildings you are comparing have the same characteristics as the twin towers and/or WTC7...

Twin towers.
1. Hit by a jet in the upper third, damaging support steel
2. Fires then ensuing after impact
3. The same tube in tube, all steel design

WTC7.
1. Same design as WTC7
2. Unfought fires because of no sprinkler system

Point out which buildings you have as a comparison that match those characteristics. If you can;t then you have NO COMPARISONS in which to prove me wrong.

I'll wait right here.

 

[Gamolon]

no comments eots you witless goon?

I thought you said that structural engineers design and calculate allowances for thermal expansion due to office fires????

Seems you were just guessing at this point eh? Which is why you refused to provide a link or source for your claim. Typical truther underhanded tactics.

They don't design for thermal expansion from office fires. It's a rigid support system designed to support loads you asshole.

no comment eots? I thought engineers designed for thermal expansion due to office fires?

i said that engineers are well of the effects of fire on a steel framed hi-rise and take it in to consideration in the design are you actually trying to say they are not aware of the effects of fire and do not consider it in the design

And I asked you many times, yet you keep ignoring the question. If you are so sure that they design for thermal expansion due to fires, then how do they do it?

I just provided you with a quote that they DO NOT DESIGN for thermal expansion due to fires.

What's YOUR proof that they do jackass.

I guess I'll have to do your work for you and get quotes from real structural engineers to prove your ass wrong yet again.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - What is Building 7 ?

Military Officers for 9/11 Truth
As officers in the U.S. military, we took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Regardless of our current status -- active duty, reserves, retired, or civilian -- that oath remains in force.

Therefore it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, how much we have to suffer, or where it leads us. We owe this to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and we owe it to those who are following that same oath today in Iraq and Afghanistan. We believe the official account of 9/11 as defined in the 9/11 Commission Report is grossly inaccurate and fatally flawed. It is imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that those responsible can be identified and brought to justice in order that they and similarly-minded people never again commit such heinous crimes. It is also imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that governmental policies resulting from 9/11 are based on truth rather than deception.

We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.

Child you have been owned again.... LOL

how ? by whom ?....try again olie..you are starting to sound like cornyhole

How? When someone take your arguments and counters them, and you reply with something that has nothing to do with the arguments you have been owned.

By whom? Me of course. This kid thinks he can teach me about my oath, that I took about a half dozen times. That still hangs on my wall. He knows nothing about it. Address the facts, He can't do that. He cannot walk in my shoes, and cannot understand why...

 

[Gamolon]

no comments eots you witless goon?

I thought you said that structural engineers design and calculate allowances for thermal expansion due to office fires????

Seems you were just guessing at this point eh? Which is why you refused to provide a link or source for your claim. Typical truther underhanded tactics.

They don't design for thermal expansion from office fires. It's a rigid support system designed to support loads you asshole.

no comment eots? I thought engineers designed for thermal expansion due to office fires?

i said that engineers are well of the effects of fire on a steel framed hi-rise and take it in to consideration in the design are you actually trying to say they are not aware of the effects of fire and do not consider it in the design

Here you go fuckstick. Proof positive that you are speaking out of your ass.

Taken from this PDF document. I'll provide more proof since I like making you look like a complete asshole.
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/obj/irc/doc/pubs/nrcc50830/nrcc50830.pdf

Here are just a couple of quotes from the document.

One of the most important systemic phenomena, barely considered previously in the design of building structures exposed to fire, is the effect of thermal expansion on the behaviour of structures in fire [1].

Thermal expansion is not a new term in structural engineering, as it has been considered in the design of bridge structures for many years at ambient temperature. However, such consideration has not been extended to the design of building structures exposed to fire.

This result reveals the fact that currently, there is a clear lack of knowledge and design methodology relating to the effects of thermal expansion on performance of structures in fire.

THAT is why I asked you if you got this information from a structural engineer or other source to which you blatantly ignored. So I guess you WERE just assuming this claim?