Values-Who’s Got ‘Em

2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?
Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin.

2. 'Values' are hardly eternal or universal.

3. Good examples of 'values' that are NOT eternal or universal. We all subscribe to these values, we just define them differently at different times and places. The Founding Fathers believed in equality and freedom but limited it to white males. I believe in the sanctity of [human] life I just don't define a fertilized egg is a human life.


"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
 
8. The Left, on the other hand, makes material promises which, if you check history….it doesn’t keep.

It promises and appeals to some of the darker aspects of human nature:
a promise of an award of the fruits of other people’s labor,

erasing any need for personal responsibility,

free this and free that,…

...and all that is required is that all traditions and values be destroyed.



“…rejection of all prevailing societal norms in favor of precisely the tribal paganism and animalistic passion that has preceded those norms. Only by going back to the beginning could humanity be built again from scratch. Everything had to be torn down in order to be built back up again.” Shapiro.




Shouldn’t it be evident to any thinking person that the Left doesn’t intend to keep its promises?

Or….was the Soviet Union really a ‘worker’s paradise’?



Remember this one?

The Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia


Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :
The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia


Hillary said the same thing.

How’d they do???

"The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198
 
"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
What you can't seem to see is that the world is NOT black and white. Everyone is both part good and evil and even then such concepts are relative to their societies. Was Alexander the Great a hero, admired and revered or was he a murdering dictator? He was both of course.
 
"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
What you can't seem to see is that the world is NOT black and white. Everyone is both part good and evil and even then such concepts are relative to their societies. Was Alexander the Great a hero, admired and revered or was he a murdering dictator? He was both of course.



Must be a reason you're trying to avoid the question....you must be 'dishonest,' huh?

You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????



Well, they do say opposites attract...so I sincerely hope you meet somebody who is attractive, honest, intelligent, and cultured.
 
"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
What you can't seem to see is that the world is NOT black and white. Everyone is both part good and evil and even then such concepts are relative to their societies. Was Alexander the Great a hero, admired and revered or was he a murdering dictator? He was both of course.



Must be a reason you're trying to avoid the question....you must be 'dishonest,' huh?

You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????



Well, they do say opposites attract...so I sincerely hope you meet somebody who is attractive, honest, intelligent, and cultured.
I think you'll have to give an example of a good and an evil so I can answer you. Otherwise it is all just theoretical, theological, or ideological as opposed to being real.

And please stop flirting with me. I'm honored but married.
 
"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
What you can't seem to see is that the world is NOT black and white. Everyone is both part good and evil and even then such concepts are relative to their societies. Was Alexander the Great a hero, admired and revered or was he a murdering dictator? He was both of course.



Must be a reason you're trying to avoid the question....you must be 'dishonest,' huh?

You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????



I think you'll have to give an example of a good and an evil so I can answer you. Otherwise it is all just theoretical, theological, or ideological as opposed to being real.

And please stop flirting with me. I'm honored but married.



What in the heck makes you imagine (I almost said 'think') I care if you answer me?????

You've had two opportunities. Watching you work through a new concept would make one think of prescribing Ritalin to a glacier.
 
"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
What you can't seem to see is that the world is NOT black and white. Everyone is both part good and evil and even then such concepts are relative to their societies. Was Alexander the Great a hero, admired and revered or was he a murdering dictator? He was both of course.



Must be a reason you're trying to avoid the question....you must be 'dishonest,' huh?

You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????



I think you'll have to give an example of a good and an evil so I can answer you. Otherwise it is all just theoretical, theological, or ideological as opposed to being real.

And please stop flirting with me. I'm honored but married.



What in the heck makes you imagine (I almost said 'think') I care if you answer me?????

You've had two opportunities. Watching you work through a new concept would make one think of prescribing Ritalin to a glacier.
Always entertaining and always non-responsive. That's why we care so much about each other.
 
"Another post to dishonestly mix politics and religion with the sole goal of spreading division. You really should stop retweeting Putin."


You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????


Don't be ignorant your whole life, take a day off why don't you.
What you can't seem to see is that the world is NOT black and white. Everyone is both part good and evil and even then such concepts are relative to their societies. Was Alexander the Great a hero, admired and revered or was he a murdering dictator? He was both of course.



Must be a reason you're trying to avoid the question....you must be 'dishonest,' huh?

You can't see the intrinsic "division" between good and evil, Sad Sack????



I think you'll have to give an example of a good and an evil so I can answer you. Otherwise it is all just theoretical, theological, or ideological as opposed to being real.

And please stop flirting with me. I'm honored but married.



What in the heck makes you imagine (I almost said 'think') I care if you answer me?????

You've had two opportunities. Watching you work through a new concept would make one think of prescribing Ritalin to a glacier.
Always entertaining and always non-responsive. That's why we care so much about each other.



C'mon....be serious.


Having you explain values is like having Dr Kevorkian teaching the Heimlich Maneuver.
 
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9. Taught, no doubt in government school, that religion is just superstition, and should be eschewed, those with a sheep-like mentality, a certain intellectual laziness, accept the view.
But as study of history and relevant thinking on the matter produce a far different conclusion.

The Left, from Hegel and Marx and others, replaced religion with government.




What is government’s mission? Government should be strong enough to protect against anarchy but limited enough to prevent tyranny. But government is made of men and women of an immutable nature that need be checked. Morality, having values, is that check. Atheism can’t sustain a rights-based, virtue-based system as a God-less ideology.

Even the atheist Voltaire made this observation: “I may be an atheist, but I hope my housekeeper is not.”




10. There is a definite advantage to incorporating religion and morality in one’s views.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”― John Adams



Yet, today, the major party, the Democrats, advances a very different view.
When there are no values, no morality, no religion....this is what you get:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.


 
'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.


11. “Is abortion morally wrong? To the secular world, the answer is “It’s between a woman and her physician.” There is no clearer expression of moral relativism: Every woman determines whether abortion is moral.


On the other hand, to the individual with Judeo-Christian values, it is not between anyone and anyone else. It is between society and God.


And to those who counter these arguments for God-based morality with the question, “Whose God?” the answer is the God who revealed His moral will in the Old Testament, which Jews and Christians — and no other people — regard as divine revelation.

The best-known verse in the Bible is “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18). It is a reflection of the secular age in which we live that few people are aware that the verse concludes with the words, “I am God.” Though entirely secularized in common parlance, the greatest of the ethical principles comes from God. Otherwise it is just another man-made suggestion, no more compelling than “Cross at the green, not in between.” https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/
 
12. Can Jews and Christians have the same values?



“How can there be such a thing as Judeo-Christian values when Judaism and Christianity have different, sometimes mutually exclusive, beliefs?
The most important answer is that beliefs and values are not the same things.
… real-life issues of good and evil, and that is where Judeo-Christian values come in.

Judeo-Christian values combine the two religions' strengths — the Jewish emphasis on moral works in this world with the Christian emphasis on keeping God at the center of one's values and works.”
JCV Part V




13. Perhaps the most direct way to illustrate Judeo-Christian values is to show how the Left, Liberals, Communists, and other such iterations, have given up those values.

Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie." Marx and Engels, Communist Manifesto, ch 2...
Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)



After losing power, Leon Trotsky would claim that the reason that communism had not been successful was that Stalin had not been ruthless enough in his efforts to eliminate the family. See Trotsky's The Revolution Betrayed, trans. Max Eastman, New York, 1965, pp. 145ff.
The Abolition of the Family



14. "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

Did you know that during WWII, the Bolsheviks killed more Russians than the Nazis did?



Murder, oppression, death, nihilism....those are the values of the Left, communists, Nazis, Modern Liberals, Progressives, Fascists......all of 'em.


“In 1920, Russian Soviet Republic became the first country in the world to allow abortion in all circumstances,…” Abortion in Russia - Wikipedia
An estimated 1 million abortions in the early years of Soviet Russia Historical abortion statistics, Russia

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?

History is replete with those Leftist values.
 
1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

A few of the reasons I'm agnostic:

  • No guilt about things outside of your control. Look at the neighbor’s wife and think she’s hot? God damns you to hell … or not because you realize that biologically, we men often find women attractive, even if we’re not married to them. It’s not a sin. Just try to keep your eyes to yourself, but seriously, you’re not going to hell.
  • You can feel really great about all sorts of things that your church will tell you to feel bad about. Get invited to a gay wedding? Go and have a great time without fear of lightning smiting you. Want to have a beer? Have a responsible time drinking that beer because God literally doesn’t care. Not interested in children right now? Contraception is your friend.
  • Sunday mornings (or Saturdays, or Fridays, or whatever…) are all yours.
  • Tithing? Yeah, no. Investing.
  • You can be friends (no, really) with members of other faiths. EVERYONE is a member of another faith (except the non-believers!)

In other words, I have an intelligent hold of my life.
 
1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

A few of the reasons I'm agnostic:

  • No guilt about things outside of your control. Look at the neighbor’s wife and think she’s hot? God damns you to hell … or not because you realize that biologically, we men often find women attractive, even if we’re not married to them. It’s not a sin. Just try to keep your eyes to yourself, but seriously, you’re not going to hell.
  • You can feel really great about all sorts of things that your church will tell you to feel bad about. Get invited to a gay wedding? Go and have a great time without fear of lightning smiting you. Want to have a beer? Have a responsible time drinking that beer because God literally doesn’t care. Not interested in children right now? Contraception is your friend.
  • Sunday mornings (or Saturdays, or Fridays, or whatever…) are all yours.
  • Tithing? Yeah, no. Investing.
  • You can be friends (no, really) with members of other faiths. EVERYONE is a member of another faith (except the non-believers!)
In other words, I have an intelligent hold of my life.


Is there a benefit to belief in God, the Judeo-Christian view?

You betcha’ there is!

For society and for individuals.




First, there would not have been a United States created by the Founders without that belief.


Second, consider the results for those societies who chose to proceed without the belief: The French Revolution, the first to attempt it, became a slaughterhouse.
Others include the Russian Revolution, the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot……


Third, the great mathematician, Blaise Pascal, looked at the question of the existence of God from the perspective of logic alone:

“Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal(1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)”
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia



Sooo.....where's the downside???
 
Atheism can’t sustain a rights-based, virtue-based system as a God-less ideology.
Or maybe it can...

Compared to most other parts of the world public life in the Nordic countries is secular. Many people are still nominally a member of a church; but for the majority of them that’s more about cultural belonging than it is about religious belief.

As a practical example, the protestant church of Norway lists approximately 70% of the population as members, in addition to this some are members of other Christian churches, ar muslims, or belong to other faiths. In sum total more than 75% of the people in Norway are members of some church.

But despite this only about 35% say “yes” in surveys that ask whether or not they believe in (any) God. Not only does this mean that a clear majority of the population are de-facto atheists (even though most don’t use that label, “nonreligious” is more common), but it even means that a majority of church members in Norway are atheists. (or at a minimum agnostics)​
 
6. Which group denies the existence of God?

Secularists Most who are not well-read, who simply accept what is promulgated by the pop culture wear the term ‘secular’ without being clear about what it means.

Secular: denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis. Google.


“…The New York Times, the voice of secular moral relativism, was so repulsed by President Ronald Reagan’s declaration that the Soviet Union was an “evil empire.” The secular world … fears and rejects the language of good and evil because it smacks of religious values and violates their moral relativism.

It is perhaps the major difference between America and Europe. As a New York Times article on European-American differences noted last year, “Americans are widely regarded as more comfortable with notions of good and evil, right and wrong, than Europeans. . . . ” No wonder. America is a Judeo-Christian society; Europe (and the American Democratic Party) is largely secular.

…I asked one of the leading secular liberal thinkers of the past generation, Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., if he would say that the United States was a morally superior society to that of the Soviet Union. Even when I repeated the question, and clarified that I readily acknowledged the existence of good individuals in the Soviet Union and bad ones in America, he refused to do so.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




How would you answer that question?


How about this one: is the GOP morally superior to the current Democrat Party?

C'mon....that's an easy one.

C'mon....this is an easy one.

Encyclopedia of American Loons: #1039: Dennis Prager


Dennis Prager is a fundie rightwing radio host, pseudo-intellectual, and regular contributor to Townhall, where he tries to argue that the United States is a Christian nation and that liberals are bad. As opposed to some radio hosts Prager seems to know something about history and religion, but mixes it readily with bizarre untruths, Jonanism, nonsense, and psychological projection, for instance with regard to his claim that ‘the Left’ allows their ‘feelings’ to get in the way of policy; Prager himself would of course never do that. A fine example of Prager’s general acumen is displayed in this rant, where he argues that The Left is hateful. Why? Because they call right-wingers … hateful, and rightwingers don’t call leftists hateful. That’s the premise, and Prager is evidently unaware of the dialectical position he has put himself in. Hilarity ensues.
 
1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

A few of the reasons I'm agnostic:

  • No guilt about things outside of your control. Look at the neighbor’s wife and think she’s hot? God damns you to hell … or not because you realize that biologically, we men often find women attractive, even if we’re not married to them. It’s not a sin. Just try to keep your eyes to yourself, but seriously, you’re not going to hell.
  • You can feel really great about all sorts of things that your church will tell you to feel bad about. Get invited to a gay wedding? Go and have a great time without fear of lightning smiting you. Want to have a beer? Have a responsible time drinking that beer because God literally doesn’t care. Not interested in children right now? Contraception is your friend.
  • Sunday mornings (or Saturdays, or Fridays, or whatever…) are all yours.
  • Tithing? Yeah, no. Investing.
  • You can be friends (no, really) with members of other faiths. EVERYONE is a member of another faith (except the non-believers!)
In other words, I have an intelligent hold of my life.


Is there a benefit to belief in God, the Judeo-Christian view?

You betcha’ there is!

For society and for individuals.




First, there would not have been a United States created by the Founders without that belief.


Second, consider the results for those societies who chose to proceed without the belief: The French Revolution, the first to attempt it, became a slaughterhouse.
Others include the Russian Revolution, the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot……


Third, the great mathematician, Blaise Pascal, looked at the question of the existence of God from the perspective of logic alone:

“Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal(1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)”
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia



Sooo.....where's the downside???


There's a downside to living your life under a delusion. Trembling in fear before angry gawds is a prescription for a maladjusted personality. Your cutting and pasting is drenched in it.
 
'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.
No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.
 
'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.
No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.


Can I assume that this is your motto?

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky




Yet another government school grads puts his foot in his mouth.
 
'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.
No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.
Can I assume that this is your motto?

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
No, you may not. I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life. It may become one in the future but it is not one at that stage. Same for a human sperm and egg, neither constitutes a human being.
 
'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.
No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.
Can I assume that this is your motto?

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
No, you may not. I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life. It may become one in the future but it is not one at that stage. Same for a human sperm and egg, neither constitutes a human being.



"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."

Well, let me provide the lacunae you missed in high school:

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." - Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland



Are you opposed to science, the most rudimentary biology????




Are you now claiming that you oppose abortion?
 

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