"Utterly Insane"....Says Elon Musk About The "Big, Beautiful Bill" Gutting All Clean Energy Incentives. And He Is Correct.

[Correll]

Except you believe in this....see Trump's bullshit tariffs magically trying to re-create 1970s manufacturing jobs.

I believe in it, with regards to jobs that don't need government subsidies to survive.

A market can be created by tariffs, that protect and encourage American jobs in the face of unfair foriegn competition.

Those jobs can and will produce real value, from "t'shirts" to cars, without tax payer money.

The Green Jobs, if they need tax payer subsidies, are not.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yeah....green energy is worse for the environment than massive car pollution and power plant pollution.

Green energy is worse for the environment than giant oil disasters like Deepwater Horizon and Exxon Valdez.

What a hopeless MAGA simp.

You've never seen what happens when rare earth minerals are extracted from earth. Complete destruction and contamination of the environment. Don't even try it dude. You know nothing but parroting liberal hack points.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

In a red state south Carolina never had to worry about bad air. I guess that's in blue states.

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The only air pollution in my neighborhood is that which comes from livestock. I'll breathe it forever because it means my neighbors are making a good living.


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[22lcidw]

They will move overseas.....a lot quicker than the bullshit 1970s jobs that Trump is trying to take back from China with his bullshit tariffs, simp.

The people working in many of those employment ways in that era got paid off as we sent the same to Japan.

 

[sealybobo]

I believe in it, with regards to jobs that don't need government subsidies to survive.

A market can be created by tariffs, that protect and encourage American jobs in the face of unfair foriegn competition.

Those jobs can and will produce real value, from "t'shirts" to cars, without tax payer money.

The Green Jobs, if they need tax payer subsidies, are not.

In reality, however, the bill would explode the nation’s deficits, adding nearly $4 trillion to the debt when including interest, according to the CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress’ official budget scorekeepers. The cost would rise to nearly $5 trillion if the temporary business tax cuts in the bill were made permanent.
“Rather than be honest with the American people about the true costs of their billionaire giveaways, Republicans are doing something the Senate has never, never done before, deploying fake math and accounting gimmicks to hide the true cost of their bill,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on the Senate floor.

 

[AntonToo]

Per wiki AI

In 2035, California and several other states

Dum dum we are discussing a federal bill.

 

[Correll]

In reality, however, the bill would explode the nation’s deficits, adding nearly $4 trillion to the debt when including interest, according to the CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress’ official budget scorekeepers. The cost would rise to nearly $5 trillion if the temporary business tax cuts in the bill were made permanent.
“Rather than be honest with the American people about the true costs of their billionaire giveaways, Republicans are doing something the Senate has never, never done before, deploying fake math and accounting gimmicks to hide the true cost of their bill,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on the Senate floor.

I've conceeded this issue to you, over and over again. NOt sure what more I can say on this.


You win on the debt. We will spend till it breaks. I am not fighting you anymore on this.

 

[sealybobo]

I've conceeded this issue to you, over and over again. NOt sure what more I can say on this.


You win on the debt. We will spend till it breaks. I am not fighting you anymore on this.

Up to 70% of Farmworkers Not Returning to California Farms following ICE Raids​

Farmworkers say colleagues choose not to return to fields out of fear saying, “If they show up to work, they don’t know if they will ever see their family again.”​

Trump’s ICE raids on farms risk US food supply, economists warn​

A sharp reduction in the number of agricultural workers could have devastating impacts on the food supply chain and farm-belt economies
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ICE Raids Leave California Farms With Unharvested Crops as Migrant Workforce Hides To Avoid Deportations​

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Up to 70% of Farmworkers Not Returning to California Farms following ICE Raids​

Farmworkers say colleagues choose not to return to fields out of fear saying, “If they show up to work, they don’t know if they will ever see their family again.”​

Trump’s ICE raids on farms risk US food supply, economists warn​

A sharp reduction in the number of agricultural workers could have devastating impacts on the food supply chain and farm-belt economies​

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ICE Raids Leave California Farms With Unharvested Crops as Migrant Workforce Hides To Avoid Deportations​

I hope they find their way safely back to their home country.

 

[Mashmont]

Dum dum we are discussing a federal bill.

You didn’t follow the chain of past posts

 

[Correll]

Up to 70% of Farmworkers Not Returning to California Farms following ICE Raids​

Farmworkers say colleagues choose not to return to fields out of fear saying, “If they show up to work, they don’t know if they will ever see their family again.”​

Trump’s ICE raids on farms risk US food supply, economists warn​

A sharp reduction in the number of agricultural workers could have devastating impacts on the food supply chain and farm-belt economies​

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ICE Raids Leave California Farms With Unharvested Crops as Migrant Workforce Hides To Avoid Deportations​

Which was part of the vile leftard plan, grow the problem till it is so big that addressing it is hard, then whine like a little bably about how hard it is to address.

I saw this coming like 30 years ago. YOu are not fooling anyone. I dismiss your request to allow an open border.

Take your anti-American position and shove it. MAGA.

 

[ColonelAngus]

I am so confused.

What happened to this? Elon was a Nazi just like a month ago.

 

[Correll]

I am so confused.

What happened to this? Elon was a Nazi just like a month ago.

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Libs just shit talk. It is all they do.

 

[berg80]

The GOP war over clean energy comes to head at vote-a-rama​

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/30/the-gop-war-over-clean-energy-comes-to-head-at-vote-a-rama-00433839

I didn't realize there were any Repubs who didn't have their heads of their asses on clean energy. Some of them want to leave a legacy of being in favor of leaving a livable planet to their grandchildren. But not many.

 

[berg80]

A market can be created by tariffs, that protect and encourage American jobs in the face of unfair foriegn competition.

That requires the kind of rigorous study and strategic policy Dotard has no patience for. He enjoys using a chainsaw when a scalpel is called for.

 

[initforme]

All Medicaid cuts needed have been made. Why purposely hurt citizens more?

 

[Correll]

That requires the kind of rigorous study and strategic policy Dotard has no patience for. He enjoys using a chainsaw when a scalpel is called for.

Tariffs can be simple or complex. Your pretense otherwise is just shit talk.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The GOP war over clean energy comes to head at vote-a-rama​

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/30/the-gop-war-over-clean-energy-comes-to-head-at-vote-a-rama-00433839

I didn't realize there were any Repubs who didn't have their heads of their asses on clean energy. Some of them want to leave a legacy of being in favor of leaving a livable planet to their grandchildren. But not many.

I agree, our grandchildren need clean, reliable, affordable energy.
That's why I support nuclear power and fracking.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All Medicaid cuts needed have been made. Why purposely hurt citizens more?

Should we cut Medicaid for illegal aliens?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I dont understand killing subsidies for homeowners investing in devices that help reduce their elecyric bills. Why?

Because subsidies are taxpayer dollars that should not subsidize any industries because that simply allows them to keep their prices inflated to remain competitive. You want solar panels, pay for them because only you get the benefit,