Using Ecstasy to Cure PTSD?

[longknife]

Why do the shrinks always try to solve problems like this with damn drugs? Take another “magic pill” and get well.

It's what the doctors are turning our society into. No more personal responsibility. No more standing up to adversity.

It sickens me. There are much better ways that don't involve buzzing someone's mind with wonder stuff.

Read more @ Could a party drug help cure veterans' PTSD?

 

[Spinster]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

 

[Syriusly]

Why do the shrinks always try to solve problems like this with damn drugs? Take another “magic pill” and get well.

It's what the doctors are turning our society into. No more personal responsibility. No more standing up to adversity.

It sickens me. There are much better ways that don't involve buzzing someone's mind with wonder stuff.

Read more @ Could a party drug help cure veterans' PTSD?

Why does helping Vets sicken you?

Or do you think that Veterans should just 'tough' out PTSD? God- did you even read the article you cited? Is it that you object to veterans getting cured- or you just have a knee jerk reaction to any drug being prescribed? Do you have the same problem with insulin? With aspirin?

Clearly we don't know yet whether MDMA is a cure- but the article discusses tests to see if it works- and while one persons experience is certainly not scientific proof- why would you deny how this benefited this Vet?

Mithoefer was by Macie’s side when he took his first dose of MDMA. He was given an eye mask and headphones to listen to music. He lay down and waited for the drug to take affect.


“It was just like a paradigm shift. The medication kicked in and I went from feeling anxious to for the first time post-deployment feeling nothing, just complete relaxation,” Macie said. “I felt like I had an ache in my chest and it was just released. It was a wave of not pleasure – but relief – that I could let this memory go.”


He added: “I still remembered it, but was just moving on from it.”

Macie laying on the bed after taking MDMA in 2011.
America Tonight

Macie says a single session of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy accomplished what four years of conventional therapy and medications at the VA could not.


“What it did was allow me to address things without judgment. I was able to think about the war. I was able to think about when I got back,” he said. “It gave me a lot of closure. And it also gave me a lot of power to live my life and put me back in control.”


After the trial, Macie immediately stopped taking Oxycodone and eventually weaned off all other medication. The change in his behavior was so startling that his family was initially wary.

 

[Syriusly]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

 

[Spinster]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

A) Yes, any proprietary drug, a drug wherein a script is written (not generic aspirin--over the counter), results in the Doctor getting a kickback from the pharmaceutical company. This was made very clear in my post.

B) Adding chemicals are not good for the body. Even adding minerals, vitamins, or "natural" substances CAN have detrimental effects. Our body is made to sustain itself from the foods we consume deriving all it needs IF we eat a balanced diet. Processed foods and drink contain chemicals we weren't meant to survive on.

C) Every drug does produce side effects of some kind particularly if taken long term and in high doses. We don't know what are safe levels, and those figures are an estimate at best and are in a constant state of flux. FDA releases drugs all the time only to find out down the line they are harmful and are then recalled.

D) You posted: "Don't take drugs if you need them...but for people who actually need them they are life savers". Huh?? Contradictory much??

Look, if you like ingesting various chemicals, knock yourself out. Aspirin is made from tree bark (a natural substance), not a laboratory or a chemist's workbench. Aspirin, although often recommended by doctors, can and does cause stomach bleeds. The less chemicals one ingests the better. It shouldn't be a game of roulette, rather it's called "life" and the object of which is to get the optimum from it possible.

 

[longknife]

I suffered through PTSD after killing someone in a traffic accident and a minor version after serving in 'Nam.

And yes - I "toughed it out" and got over it. I didn't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself.

Why use chemicals when there may be holistic/natural sources to do the same thing? I can name at least five plants and herbs here in North America that, when used correctly, have no ill side effects.

There are also many other ways to easing mental pain to alleviate the worst symptoms.

As for wanting to see veterans get help for their problems, OF COURSE I DO! I'M A VETERAN WITH MEDICAL PROBLEMS. So, don't be dense and insulting.

 

[Spinster]

I suffered through PTSD after killing someone in a traffic accident and a minor version after serving in 'Nam.

And yes - I "toughed it out" and got over it. I didn't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself.

Why use chemicals when there may be holistic/natural sources to do the same thing? I can name at least five plants and herbs here in North America that, when used correctly, have no ill side effects.

There are also many other ways to easing mental pain to alleviate the worst symptoms.

As for wanting to see veterans get help for their problems, OF COURSE I DO! I'M A VETERAN WITH MEDICAL PROBLEMS. So, don't be dense and insulting.

Okay, so it's perfectly all right for you to be insulting, but not for me when it concerns you. That's fair, I guess. I get it! It's the old double standard.

Talk about being dense, you didn't pick up on my post wherein I stated that "natural" substances can mean virtually no ill effects on the body COMPARED to ingesting chemicals.

What a moron. Draw them a clear picture and they eat the paper and crayons. Really!!!

 

[longknife]

I suffered through PTSD after killing someone in a traffic accident and a minor version after serving in 'Nam.

And yes - I "toughed it out" and got over it. I didn't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself.

Why use chemicals when there may be holistic/natural sources to do the same thing? I can name at least five plants and herbs here in North America that, when used correctly, have no ill side effects.

There are also many other ways to easing mental pain to alleviate the worst symptoms.

As for wanting to see veterans get help for their problems, OF COURSE I DO! I'M A VETERAN WITH MEDICAL PROBLEMS. So, don't be dense and insulting.

Okay, so it's perfectly all right for you to be insulting, but not for me when it concerns you. That's fair, I guess. I get it! It's the old double standard.

Talk about being dense, you didn't pick up on my post wherein I stated that "natural" substances can mean virtually no ill effects on the body COMPARED to ingesting chemicals.

What a moron. Draw them a clear picture and they eat the paper and crayons. Really!!!

You have my sincere apologies for misunderstanding your post. It's late in the day and I'm way behind on everything.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I suffered through PTSD after killing someone in a traffic accident and a minor version after serving in 'Nam.

And yes - I "toughed it out" and got over it. I didn't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself.

Why use chemicals when there may be holistic/natural sources to do the same thing? I can name at least five plants and herbs here in North America that, when used correctly, have no ill side effects.

There are also many other ways to easing mental pain to alleviate the worst symptoms.

As for wanting to see veterans get help for their problems, OF COURSE I DO! I'M A VETERAN WITH MEDICAL PROBLEMS. So, don't be dense and insulting.

Well said

 

[Syriusly]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

A) Yes, any proprietary drug, a drug wherein a script is written (not generic aspirin--over the counter), results in the Doctor getting a kickback from the pharmaceutical company. This was made very clear in my post..

Oh your claim was very clear- and of course completely unsubstantiated.

 

[Syriusly]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

B) Adding chemicals are not good for the body. Even adding minerals, vitamins, or "natural" substances CAN have detrimental effects. Our body is made to sustain itself from the foods we consume deriving all it needs IF we eat a balanced diet. Processed foods and drink contain chemicals we weren't meant to survive on..

Well that all sounds really nifty.

Except of course when our bodies need 'chemicals' not supplied by our diet to survive. Advice like yours could kill a diabetic. Certainly would hurt anyone who is bipolar or anyone who is living because of a Kidney transplant.

"Chemicals" is a nifty term for anything you have decided you don't approve of.

Meanwhile- we have soldiers coming back from combat severely injured- if there are medicines that can help them- I am all for using the medicines that can help them, and I will leave you to your balanced diet.

 

[Syriusly]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

C) Every drug does produce side effects of some kind particularly if taken long term and in high doses. We don't know what are safe levels, and those figures are an estimate at best and are in a constant state of flux. FDA releases drugs all the time only to find out down the line they are harmful and are then recalled.
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Sure- aspirin can cause irritation of the stomach lining and thins the blood- making it harder to stop bleeding- and also helps prevent strokes and heart attacks. Too much water can kill you.

We do know what the safe levels are for many drugs- and the trick is to balance risk versus reward- you want to abandon all drugs because any of them are risky- and that is just irrational- and too dangerous.

 

[Syriusly]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

D) You posted: "Don't take drugs if you need them...but for people who actually need them they are life savers". Huh?? Contradictory much??
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Nothing contradictory at all.

A kidney transplant survivor needs to take lots of drugs in order to survive- for them drugs are a life saver. But I don't need those drugs so I don't take them.

Nothing contradictory at all.

 

[Syriusly]

As for wanting to see veterans get help for their problems, OF COURSE I DO! I'M A VETERAN WITH MEDICAL PROBLEMS. So, don't be dense and insulting.

Then why did you ignore the very article you cited?

Why did you ignore the story of the veteran who did suffer from PTSD and who believed it helped him.

Why do prefer to let Vets die- rather than investigate a possible cure?

Macie says six more years is too long for the veterans currently suffering through what he experienced, especially, he says, when an average of 22 veterans are committing suicide every day. Macie is pushing for the VA to actively support further research into MDMA.

With an average of 22 veterans committing suicide every day, Macie is hoping the VA will look into supporting and building on the research related to MDMA.
America Tonight
“I’m not saying prescribe this to everyone who has PTSD,” he said. “I’m saying for people who are at the point where they are chronic resistant, I believe that it will have very good results. And it’s been proven to be safe.”

Macie has set up meetings with members of Congress and met with staffers from the Veterans Affairs Committee. “Unfortunately, the majority of them were dismissive because of the word ‘ecstasy’ and just the negative connotation with it,” Macie said.

 

[Syriusly]

I suffered through PTSD after killing someone in a traffic accident and a minor version after serving in 'Nam.

And yes - I "toughed it out" and got over it. I didn't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself.

Why use chemicals when there may be holistic/natural sources to do the same thing? I can name at least five plants and herbs here in North America that, when used correctly, have no ill side effects..

And how do you know that Army Sgt. Tony Macie didn't try those '5 different plants and herbs'?

Look- thanks for serving- thanks for surviving- but why the hell do you think that every soldier suffering through PTSD is just sitting around moping?

That is the kind of thinking that leads to Vets thinking that they just need to tough it out- until they break and kill themselves or someone else.

There are lots of promising treatments for PTSD- and all should be explored- but telling sufferers to just 'tough it out' has resulted in dead vets.

And- by the way- not all sufferers of PTSD are vets- and they deserve help rather than being told to 'buck up'.

 

[Spinster]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

A) Yes, any proprietary drug, a drug wherein a script is written (not generic aspirin--over the counter), results in the Doctor getting a kickback from the pharmaceutical company. This was made very clear in my post..

Oh your claim was very clear- and of course completely unsubstantiated.

In your mind anyway. I happened to work in the industry for years, so I have first hand substantiation on the matter, than you very much.

 

[Spinster]

I suffered through PTSD after killing someone in a traffic accident and a minor version after serving in 'Nam.

And yes - I "toughed it out" and got over it. I didn't sit around moping and feeling sorry for myself.

Why use chemicals when there may be holistic/natural sources to do the same thing? I can name at least five plants and herbs here in North America that, when used correctly, have no ill side effects.

There are also many other ways to easing mental pain to alleviate the worst symptoms.

As for wanting to see veterans get help for their problems, OF COURSE I DO! I'M A VETERAN WITH MEDICAL PROBLEMS. So, don't be dense and insulting.

Okay, so it's perfectly all right for you to be insulting, but not for me when it concerns you. That's fair, I guess. I get it! It's the old double standard.

Talk about being dense, you didn't pick up on my post wherein I stated that "natural" substances can mean virtually no ill effects on the body COMPARED to ingesting chemicals.

What a moron. Draw them a clear picture and they eat the paper and crayons. Really!!!

You have my sincere apologies for misunderstanding your post. It's late in the day and I'm way behind on everything.

No problem. I completely understand how we can get behind late in the day. Have a great evening and Happy Holidays to you and your's.

 

[Syriusly]

For every prescription a doctor writes they receive a kickback from the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the drug, so why wouldn't doctors be motivated otherwise? Not only do the drugs alter one's state often times, but the chemicals are damaging to the body and can reside inside that individual for quite a long time. Every drug has it's associated side effects which the doctor likely prescribes an additional drug to counteract the effects of the previous one. It's a vicious cycle and a domino tumble results.

a) No
b) Some chemicals are damaging to the body and others are not- and by the way- by chemical- that means everything we eat and drink.
c) Every drug has some possible side effects- most don't need additional drugs to counter them.

I take a low dosage aspirin everyday. No doctor gets rich off of my aspirin- even though I was prescribed it- nor do I have to take some counter drug.

Don't take drugs if you need them- but for people who need actual drugs- they are life savers.

A) Yes, any proprietary drug, a drug wherein a script is written (not generic aspirin--over the counter), results in the Doctor getting a kickback from the pharmaceutical company. This was made very clear in my post..

Oh your claim was very clear- and of course completely unsubstantiated.

In your mind anyway. I happened to work in the industry for years, so I have first hand substantiation on the matter, than you very much.

Well thanks for the 'substantiation'- clearly we should just take your word for it.

Or course I have family members who are doctors........and they say otherwise.

 

[Spinster]

Of course they would(n't), as admitting it is not a cool thing. BTY, what kind of doctors are your family members, the ones that didn't go to medical school? Doctors is a broad term and includes folks who've done post graduate work, maybe working toward a PhD like in education, for example.

 

[Bonzi]

Why do the shrinks always try to solve problems like this with damn drugs? Take another “magic pill” and get well.

It's what the doctors are turning our society into. No more personal responsibility. No more standing up to adversity.

It sickens me. There are much better ways that don't involve buzzing someone's mind with wonder stuff.

Read more @ Could a party drug help cure veterans' PTSD?

If someone is not willing to do the work to change, it might be better than them killing themselves or others.
Some people just will not do the work it takes to overcome psychological issues and challenges.