USA's "gun problem"

[2aguy]

So how do we prevent violence?

Well. What group of people do you believe perpetuate the greatest amount of death and destruction with guns?
Things like murder/suicides, accidental kid deaths, road rage with guns, domestic violence with guns, murder in general, drive by shoots, mass school shootings etc, etc.

The people committing the vast majority of those shootings and killings definitely share two things in common;
the shooters are male and the shooters are under 30.

Draw your own conclusions, but IF we really want to prevent some of the violence, I know what I'd do.

Try to encourage graduating from high school, not getting pregnant until you are married and in a secure relationship where at least one person has a good paying job....? Is that what you would do?

 

[2aguy]

No, it's a gun problem. Every race have bast**s but not every race have guns to use! And as we can see, in many countries(European, but not third-world countries)where weapons are banned - crimes comitted with guns are very rare!

actually, you are wrong....as has been shown in Europe, the only reason their criminals don't use guns for crimes is they have decided not to.....they can get guns when they want or need them......and in France, Australia, Canada, Belgium, Denmark and Britain....their criminals recently decided they needed guns and they got them......

In France, 3 terrorists spent 5,000 dollars and got fully automatic rifles, pistols, hand grenades, and a rocket propelled grenade and 30 round magazines....all illegal in France...they don't even have gun stores that sell these items...and they crossed an international border into Belgium to buy them in a train station.....and Belgium also has strict gun control laws....and 1 of the terrorists was a convicted criminal and he and his brother were both on the governments terrorist watch list.....

And they still got all those guns when they wanted them....

Dittos the denmark shooter...a man with an extensive criminal record...still got a fully automatic gun....

IN France, again....10 masked men last week with fully auto weapons shot up a neighborhood a few hours before the French prime minister was going to talk about the success of their anti crime programs......

IN Puerto Rico...an island nation, where you can't just drive guns across a border, with stricter gun control than any where else in the United States....they have the highest gun murder rate in the world....or second.......

So...no....these European countries do not have gun crime because their criminals have decided not to use guns as often........that's all....no other reason.....

When in a gun free zone, a strong criminal can get by using lesser weapons or none at all if he knows that his prey are incapable of resisting.

Or they attack in groups....along with what you said......

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

 

[2aguy]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

 

[2aguy]

We don't have a gun problem we have a gang problem...fueled by democrat social policies...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

Them ~30, pop. 9.5 mil.
Us ~9,000, pop. 320 mil. Do the math.

 

[2aguy]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

They aren't my numbers....they come from people who actually study the issues......

 

[2aguy]

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409
Hart...1981...1.797,461
Mauser...1990...1,487,342
Gallup...1993...1,621,377
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000


Notice, the 3 different groupings of stats from the research listed so far.....not one of them approaches the NCVS number of 100,000.....yet you claim to know that is the correct number....

 

[2aguy]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

Them ~30, pop. 9.5 mil.
Us ~9,000, pop. 320 mil. Do the math.

Hmmm....but you guys always say that gun control will make these countries heaven.....ask the 6,620 women in Sweden raped and gang raped if gun control is working for them.....or the same for Puerto Rico....with stricter gun control than anywhere else in the U.S....an island nation.....with one of if not the highest gun murder rate in the world.....

 

[zeke]

Try to encourage graduating from high school, not getting pregnant until you are married and in a secure relationship where at least one person has a good paying job....? Is that what you would do?

Those are all fine goals for young men to strive for. To bad that there aren't as many striving now as there used to be.

That being said, and you offering no plans on how to accomplish those goals, my idea is a lot easier to implement and much more effective.

Why do states not allow 15 year old boys or girls to buy guns?

And what makes a 24 year old fueled by alcohol, jealousy and hormones any better candidate for owning guns than the 15 year old?

 

[2aguy]

Try to encourage graduating from high school, not getting pregnant until you are married and in a secure relationship where at least one person has a good paying job....? Is that what you would do?

Those are all fine goals for young men to strive for. To bad that there aren't as many striving now as there used to be.

That being said, and you offering no plans on how to accomplish those goals, my idea is a lot easier to implement and much more effective.

Why do states not allow 15 year old boys or girls to buy guns?

And what makes a 24 year old fueled by alcohol, jealousy and hormones any better candidate for owning guns than the 15 year old?

Well...there are now over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and the gun murder rate is going down...not up....the accidental gun death rate is going down...not up.......so I think we are doing things better....

Yeah...you guys say causation and correlation....but.....more people are carrying guns...and the gun rate is going down....more guns do not increase violence.....

 

[zeke]

You know why you are a disingenuous gun nutter? Cause you can't answer the simple questions. Cause when the answers to those questions go in a direction that you can't defend, it's conversation over.

I know. You really aren't interested in cutting some of the gun violence down. Matter of fact, you really don't give a **** about gun violence perpetuated on people you don't know.

Why should you. Right? As long as it's not you, who cares.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

Them ~30, pop. 9.5 mil.
Us ~9,000, pop. 320 mil. Do the math.

Hmmm....but you guys always say that gun control will make these countries heaven.....ask the 6,620 women in Sweden raped and gang raped if gun control is working for them.....or the same for Puerto Rico....with stricter gun control than anywhere else in the U.S....an island nation.....with one of if not the highest gun murder rate in the world.....

See, no numbers and you didn't do the math, as expected.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

They aren't my numbers....they come from people who actually study the issues......

No, if they're numbers you cite then they are going to be lies, without a doubt.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

No, it's a gun problem. Every race have bast**s but not every race have guns to use! And as we can see, in many countries(European, but not third-world countries)where weapons are banned - crimes comitted with guns are very rare!

Alcohol kills and injures far more people in the US than guns do, why don't you anti-gun grabbers ban alcohol?

Great idea! I second the motion!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

They aren't my numbers....they come from people who actually study the issues......

No, if they're numbers you cite then they are going to be lies, without a doubt.

The FBI Statistics are clear and available on line, they show the rates going DOWN and have been since the mid 90's. You disagree with the FBI and the US Government?

 

[Brain357]

No, it's a gun problem. Every race have bast**s but not every race have guns to use! And as we can see, in many countries(European, but not third-world countries)where weapons are banned - crimes comitted with guns are very rare!

Alcohol kills and injures far more people in the US than guns do, why don't you anti-gun grabbers ban alcohol?

Because alcohol is alcohol, and guns - are guns, it's not equal things.
haven't got gun while drunken fight - you will not kill your "enemy"(of course can, but in many rare cases), if you have - you can kill him!
Alcohol is often - way to relax, guns too, but people suffered much more from guns, not from alcohol!

You haven't added the benefits of guns to your equation...each year, on average, guns are used by honest, law abiding ,innocent, non military, non police, people to stop violent crime and save lives 1.6 million times......

Vs.....8-9,000 gun murders

vs. ...6-700 accidental gun deaths...

so guns are a net benefit in the hands of good people......

Law abiding? Kleck has said most defenders are involved in criminal activity.

 

[Brain357]

And for the love of God, quit trying to ban firearms so we have less firearms-related violence.

Fewer guns, fewer gun deaths. At no point will we stop trying to ban what most people long ago stopped needing.

Hmmm...tell that to Sweden.....a country with gun control and huge crime rates......or Puerto Rico with the Strictest gun control in the United States and one of the highest gun murder rates in the world.....

Your numbers will be crap of course, but post them anyway.

Them ~30, pop. 9.5 mil.
Us ~9,000, pop. 320 mil. Do the math.

Hmmm....but you guys always say that gun control will make these countries heaven.....ask the 6,620 women in Sweden raped and gang raped if gun control is working for them.....or the same for Puerto Rico....with stricter gun control than anywhere else in the U.S....an island nation.....with one of if not the highest gun murder rate in the world.....

How many rapes are preventable with a gun?

 

[Brain357]

Sounds like rapes in Sweden has more to do with their definition of rape than anything.

There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics.[7][8][9][10] For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005,[2][3][7][11] which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.[12][13] The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[7][10][14]Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[7][13][15][16]

 

[Flash]

No, it's a gun problem. Every race have bast**s but not every race have guns to use! And as we can see, in many countries(European, but not third-world countries)where weapons are banned - crimes comitted with guns are very rare!

European countries have higher crime than they report. For instance, in the UK they don't report a crime as a gun crime unless there is a conviction. In the US we report a crime when it is committed.

It is very hard to compare the rates because the data base is different. In reality there is not that much difference.

Rick Notes Comparing England or UK murder rates with the US More complex than you thought

The murder rate in the UK according to US standards is double or higher than their reported rate. It may be impossible to produce an actual apples to apples comparison number from official sources. It is not 15% of the US rate.