US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility?

[The Duke]

They called us names?
Need a better justification than that

What part of IEDS blowing our boys up did you not fukn get, assface?

 

[Lockback]

People who have heard justifications due to “psycho regimes” for 70 years

Yeah that regime in Germany in the 1930s wasn't really a threat at all ...
If Biden had done this, you'd be totally behind it.
It's because it's Trump.
And the reason why it's Trump is that he has the balls to deal with what Biden and Obama and the Democrats have unscrupulously avoided for years like the weak nancyboys that are.

 

[cnm]

Actual language in the news report? U.S. Central Command is denying any reports of serious damage.

Actual language in the US Central Command message.

 

[Correll]

What part of IEDS blowing our boys up did you not fukn get, assface?

He doesn't give a **** about them.

 

[Anarchy666]

Everybody running interference for the Iranian Pedophile Regime needs to have their hard drive checked by the appropriate authorities. We can no longer blame this 100% on TDS, there is something else going on here.

 

[Lockback]

What part of IEDS blowing our boys up did you not fukn get, assface?

He just totally ignored that.

God, the Left has the worst people on Earth.

 

[theHawk]

The overwhelming majority of Americans support no more senseless wars

It’s not a senseless war. It makes sense to beat the IRGC into submission.

 

[theHawk]

in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken

Well let us know where the “chaos” is.

So far it’s been very methodical and one-sided. We destroyed their navy and much of their infrastructure, and killed all of their top brass including the Ayatollah.

Right now there is a ceasefire and we aren’t actively bombing them, and there is a blockade of Iranian ships.

This is pretty far from “chaos”, as President Trump has no interest in a “forever war” like your beloved Jeb Bush would prefer.

 

[Meathead]

Both sides are equally bad. It's a sad day when we tut ur preient just as much as we trust Ianian leaders.

Ebonics?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Neither has any credibility now.

^^^ From the guy with ZERO CREDIBILITY ^^^

 

[SweetTea]

The overwhelming majority of Americans support no more senseless wars

Sure, the problem is the framing of the Iran conflict being senseless.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We first looked at posting this on the Politics Board, then on the Military Board, then The Iran Board, and then On further thought - after writing out much of this post, We decided to settle on the Politics Board (Discuss politics, government policies and candidates). This is about so much more than just what it may present itself as on first look.

We in the American public, as well as those all over the world are stuck with a US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility? It's pathetic that we come to this, but back in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken.



The latest issue (one in a long list) is this

Which is it? The Trump administration has lost all credibility with the US public and with the public and Leaders around the world -- mostly allies. This Bull-in-a-China-Shop routine has damaged relations that will take a few presidencies to repair -- if possible. Things will never be the same. No going back.

We've reached a point where the US looks like the Baghdad Bob of International Relations. Thank you Donald J. Trump.

We can't even imitate former President Ronald Reagan, when he said "Trust, but verify" (doveryai, no proveryai - Russian proverb). There is little to no trust when dealing with the Trump administration.

Tippy toe Jeb?

 

[rightwinger]

Sure, the problem is the framing of the Iran conflict being senseless.

The problem is Trumps inability to articulate a valid reason for his war of choice

 

[Lockback]

The problem is Trumps inability to articulate a valid reason for his war of choice

He's articulated it many times.
It's just that your TDS makes you blind and deaf.
And dumb.

 

[IM2]

It's time to take it to the mullahs and their henchman that rape and murder.

It's time for us to end the right-wing mullahs in America.

 

[IM2]

He's articulated it many times.
It's just that your TDS makes you blind and deaf.
And dumb.

Wrong.

 

[IM2]

Nah, them assholes have been poking us for close to 50 years.
How many of our good boys got blown up by roadside IEDS in Iraq? Iran did that.

The 1953 Coup: Oil, Mosaddegh, and the Roots of Iranian Resentment - Explaining History Podcast

In one decisive episode, a democratically elected leader was removed in a covert Anglo-American operation, foreign powers reasserted control over Iranian oil, and the Shah’s autocracy was restored.

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We started a war in Iraq for no reason. That's why Americans got blown up. Iran did not do that because Iranians do not like Iraqis.

 

[Dante]

It's time to take it to the mullahs and their henchman that rape and murder.

Oh enough.

Move to Israel and wait for the Second Coming.

 

[Dante]

Not my problem
There are bad people all over the world

It's time to take it to the mullahs and their henchman that rape and murder.

 

[Dante]

I don't understand the concern.


Iran wants a nuke. They have closed the straits, causing world wide economic harm to billions of people.


Do you support that?

That seems to be the question that matters.


How cares about teh details?

Try and keep up:

The 2015 Iran nuclear deal, or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), negotiated heavily by Secretary of State John Kerry, required Iran to reduce its enriched uranium stockpile by 98%, cut centrifuges by two-thirds, and redesign the Arak reactor to block pathways to a nuclear weapon. In exchange, international sanctions were lifted, with IAEA monitoring. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Details of the Agreement

• Nuclear Constraints: Iran reduced its enriched uranium stockpile to 300 kg and capped enrichment at 3.67% for 15 years.
• Breakout Time: Increased the time needed for Iran to produce enough weapons-grade material for a nuclear weapon from 2-3 months to at least one year.
• Monitoring: The IAEA received extensive access to nuclear facilities, including 24/7 surveillance of centrifuge production and uranium mining for 20-25 years.
• The Arak Reactor: The core of the Arak heavy water reactor was removed and filled with concrete, preventing the production of weapons-grade plutonium. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Role of John Kerry and Key Personnel

• Secret Negotiations: John Kerry was instrumental in finalizing the deal, which was facilitated by secret meetings starting in 2013, notably in Oman, to engage with Iranian officials after President Rouhani's election.
• Key Officials: Along with Kerry, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz provided technical expertise, alongside diplomats William Burns and Jake Sullivan.
• Framework: The agreement resulted from intense negotiations in Vienna, focusing on long-term constraints in exchange for economic relief. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key Aspects of the Deal's Implementation

• Sanctions Relief: The U.S. and world powers (P5+1) waived nuclear-related sanctions following verification of Iranian compliance on Implementation Day, January 16, 2016.
• Verification: The deal was built on "proof, not trust," relying on intrusive monitoring to ensure compliance.
• Duration: Key restrictions on uranium enrichment lasted 15 years, with some monitoring measures lasting 20-25 years

Iran agreed to not acquire a Nuke, and Trump tore that agreement up and here we are.

Pakistan has a Nuke.