US - UK trade deal

[CowboyTed]

Well this is a funny one

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-britain-expected-announce-tariff-deal-thursday-2025-05-08/

UK (under Tories) has been begging US for a trade deal for over a decade and US has been going no thanks or putting GMO, Clorine Chicken or Hormoned Beef on the table (which is unacceptable to UK public)...

Trump has got himself in such a mess and needs a deal and UK is taking advantage of US weakness to get a deal... Unlike the UK India deal which seem to favour India last week. I expect UK will get all they really wanted in this deal, they have the upper hand on this and Trump needs the optics...

Trade wise including services it is a wash... The whole thing could be totally ignored and tariff were a severe speed bump in the road but things can go back normal....

The devil will be in the detail and the detail is were we will see what is in and out...

There is one big thing to watch out for, the Northern Ireland free trade with Rep. OF Ireland... This will be a big indicator of intent...

Ireland has a lot of Medical Devices which goto US and everywhere in the world, there is no way that manufacturing can be moved in any reasonable time. The Irish have been trying to offload there low tech stuff for over a decade and no country can even produce the low tech. Setting up a line can take over 5 years and huge amount of trail and error... Even the Irish (who have the best pass rates in the world) only pass 60% and throw away 40%... This is a global market and US represents 6% of global, you ain't moving a plant like this for 6%...

Pharma is different... Mainly manufacturing in Pharama is only 4% cost of a drug... But if you take out packaging it could be 1%... Depend in the drug, generics can be done anywhere with relatively little effort but is highly automise (Novartis plant)... The complex stuff like Botox and Ozempic will be manufactured where it is today (too hard to move)...
Funny thing, 80% Botox (which means all of First World Botox) is manufactured in a small town in the west of Ireland (Westport)... They are the experts at making it... Their internal knowledge would be very strong (the little tricks that makes things work), high end manafacteuring has this and it takes years of ingrained knowledge to get it all..

 

[Dekster]

Well this is a funny one

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-britain-expected-announce-tariff-deal-thursday-2025-05-08/

UK (under Tories) has been begging US for a trade deal for over a decade and US has been going no thanks or putting GMO, Clorine Chicken or Hormoned Beef on the table (which is unacceptable to UK public)...

Trump has got himself in such a mess and needs a deal and UK is taking advantage of US weakness to get a deal... Unlike the UK India deal which seem to favour India last week. I expect UK will get all they really wanted in this deal, they have the upper hand on this and Trump needs the optics...

Trade wise including services it is a wash... The whole thing could be totally ignored and tariff were a severe speed bump in the road but things can go back normal....

The devil will be in the detail and the detail is were we will see what is in and out...

There is one big thing to watch out for, the Northern Ireland free trade with Rep. OF Ireland... This will be a big indicator of intent...

Ireland has a lot of Medical Devices which goto US and everywhere in the world, there is no way that manufacturing can be moved in any reasonable time. The Irish have been trying to offload there low tech stuff for over a decade and no country can even produce the low tech. Setting up a line can take over 5 years and huge amount of trail and error... Even the Irish (who have the best pass rates in the world) only pass 60% and throw away 40%... This is a global market and US represents 6% of global, you ain't moving a plant like this for 6%...

Pharma is different... Mainly manufacturing in Pharama is only 4% cost of a drug... But if you take out packaging it could be 1%... Depend in the drug, generics can be done anywhere with relatively little effort but is highly automise (Novartis plant)... The complex stuff like Botox and Ozempic will be manufactured where it is today (too hard to move)...
Funny thing, 80% Botox (which means all of First World Botox) is manufactured in a small town in the west of Ireland (Westport)... They are the experts at making it... Their internal knowledge would be very strong (the little tricks that makes things work), high end manafacteuring has this and it takes years of ingrained knowledge to get it all..

Westport is in the Republic and therefore the EU and therefore not part of a UK trade deal.

The UK will get to keep steel and cars flowing; the US will get them to let up on some of the agriculture stuff. Seems more symbolic than significant.

 

[CowboyTed]

Westport is in the Republic and therefore the EU and therefore not part of a UK trade deal.

The UK will get to keep steel and cars flowing; the US will get them to let up on some of the agriculture stuff. Seems more symbolic than significant.

Republic and North have a special free trade agreement.... Well a totally unenforceable border....

All you need is a small office doing buy and sell...

This is how trade works. You can say country of origin but a simple packaging plant can put that to an end...

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UK ain't accepting Chicken, Beef or Crops in any significant quantity... UK public don't want it, they consider it dangerous and UK Government won't be selling that to them... Whiskey and Beer no problem....
BTW, the US has never pushed it that much because the EU agriculture Lobby has always said they would advertise in US the concerns the EU has with the US safety standards... Everyone best of not getting into that, US keeps there market and EU keeps there, generally speaking...

 

[Dekster]

Republic and North have a special free trade agreement.... Well a totally unenforceable border....

All you need is a small office doing buy and sell...

This is how trade works. You can say country of origin but a simple packaging plant can put that to an end...

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UK ain't accepting Chicken, Beef or Crops in any significant quantity... UK public don't want it, they consider it dangerous and UK Government won't be selling that to them... Whiskey and Beer no problem....
BTW, the US has never pushed it that much because the EU agriculture Lobby has always said they would advertise in US the concerns the EU has with the US safety standards... Everyone best of not getting into that, US keeps there market and EU keeps there, generally speaking...

You could very well see that soft border become a hard one if the EU puts tariffs on US goods.

 

[CowboyTed]

You could very well see that soft border become a hard one if the EU puts tariffs on US goods.

Nope... Logisitically impossible...

This has been a major discussion for over a decade and even the most hard nosed loyalist says it can't be done...

The main motorway in the north crosses the border multiple time of a few miles...

UK and Ireland have no wish to have a hard border... It took them long enough to get to this point...

I don't think Trump wants to tariff Ireland either, a part from having a property in Ireland (which makes money), very little Ireland makes the US can or want to make...

 

[Dekster]

Nope... Logisitically impossible...

This has been a major discussion for over a decade and even the most hard nosed loyalist says it can't be done...

The main motorway in the north crosses the border multiple time of a few miles...

UK and Ireland have no wish to have a hard border... It took them long enough to get to this point...

I don't think Trump wants to tariff Ireland either, a part from having a property in Ireland (which makes money), very little Ireland makes the US can or want to make...

That they didn't do it does not mean it cannot be done.

 

[CowboyTed]

That they didn't do it does not mean it cannot be done.

We had 7 years of BS from Boris how it could be done....

The people who live there and wanted to do it says not only can it not be done have discovered it should not be doe either....

Nobody wants it especially the people who live on both sides of the border...

Are you going to land two armies on both sides of the border to enforce it... Both Brits and Irish have a real hard no at putting Troops on the border, that was tried and didn't go down too well...

So please explain how the logistics of this is going to work...

Two peaceful communities who after decades of fighting don't want and don't support a hard border...

So which troops are going to this and why?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

We had 7 years of BS from Boris how it could be done....

The people who live there and wanted to do it says not only can it not be done have discovered it should not be doe either....

Nobody wants it especially the people who live on both sides of the border...

Are you going to land two armies on both sides of the border to enforce it... Both Brits and Irish have a real hard no at putting Troops on the border, that was tried and didn't go down too well...

So please explain how the logistics of this is going to work...

Two peaceful communities who after decades of fighting don't want and don't support a hard border...

So which troops are going to this and why?

It all seems to have gone quiet on this trade deal. Nobody knows what is going on.
I wonder if it will get lost in the weeds ? I find it difficult to keep track of trumps latest antics on trade.

Starmer is desperate for a deal at this stage.

 

[CowboyTed]

It all seems to have gone quiet on this trade deal. Nobody knows what is going on.
I wonder if it will get lost in the weeds ? I find it difficult to keep track of trumps latest antics on trade.

Starmer is desperate for a deal at this stage.

The UK US deal was PR event, when they went back to the studio with real experts they said there was no details, no details means no deal..
Both needed a win and while this was an expected by Trump Admin which needed something. Rem they said 9- deals in 90 days...

Stamer came off as acting a bit desperate... It wasn't a real deal and he should have said, real deal or **** off... 0% Tariff and we are not taking Hormone Beef, Chlorinated Chicken or any other food that has not been proven safe..

UK has Trade Deficit with US...

 

[Captain Caveman]

The UK US deal was PR event, when they went back to the studio with real experts they said there was no details, no details means no deal..
Both needed a win and while this was an expected by Trump Admin which needed something. Rem they said 9- deals in 90 days...

Stamer came off as acting a bit desperate... It wasn't a real deal and he should have said, real deal or **** off... 0% Tariff and we are not taking Hormone Beef, Chlorinated Chicken or any other food that has not been proven safe..

UK has Trade Deficit with US...

It's all down to US food, over here it fails our food standards. So if the US wants a trade deal, it needs to sort out the standard of it's food.

 

[CowboyTed]

It's all down to US food, over here it fails our food standards. So if the US wants a trade deal, it needs to sort out the standard of it's food.

It is actually something taken off how EU do things as well...

You can sell into our market and not meet the standards of local producers...
So if US is allowed to sell hormones Beef, British Farmers would be allowed produce Hormoned Beef...

I have seen cattle illegally "on the bullet"(hormones given with a slow release system injected). From an animal welfare issue I think it should be a no, it definitely makes them more stressed and aggressive. I question in it safety on humans...

US has loads of studies on how it is safe... All paid for and promoted by the US Agriculture (Dept, Lobby, business...), that is not very independent.

Chicken is another story...

Personally, I like our Beef grass fed and hormone free... Strange that US drug companies buy huge amount of Milk byproducts from EU (Ireland is big on this) because we grass fee hormone free herds... They are very strict on it, if a animal gets too much antibiotics they are marked and can be sold to a herd who are just doing straight milk production..

 

[Cellblock2429]

Well this is a funny one

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-britain-expected-announce-tariff-deal-thursday-2025-05-08/

UK (under Tories) has been begging US for a trade deal for over a decade and US has been going no thanks or putting GMO, Clorine Chicken or Hormoned Beef on the table (which is unacceptable to UK public)...

Trump has got himself in such a mess and needs a deal and UK is taking advantage of US weakness to get a deal... Unlike the UK India deal which seem to favour India last week. I expect UK will get all they really wanted in this deal, they have the upper hand on this and Trump needs the optics...

Trade wise including services it is a wash... The whole thing could be totally ignored and tariff were a severe speed bump in the road but things can go back normal....

The devil will be in the detail and the detail is were we will see what is in and out...

There is one big thing to watch out for, the Northern Ireland free trade with Rep. OF Ireland... This will be a big indicator of intent...

Ireland has a lot of Medical Devices which goto US and everywhere in the world, there is no way that manufacturing can be moved in any reasonable time. The Irish have been trying to offload there low tech stuff for over a decade and no country can even produce the low tech. Setting up a line can take over 5 years and huge amount of trail and error... Even the Irish (who have the best pass rates in the world) only pass 60% and throw away 40%... This is a global market and US represents 6% of global, you ain't moving a plant like this for 6%...

Pharma is different... Mainly manufacturing in Pharama is only 4% cost of a drug... But if you take out packaging it could be 1%... Depend in the drug, generics can be done anywhere with relatively little effort but is highly automise (Novartis plant)... The complex stuff like Botox and Ozempic will be manufactured where it is today (too hard to move)...
Funny thing, 80% Botox (which means all of First World Botox) is manufactured in a small town in the west of Ireland (Westport)... They are the experts at making it... Their internal knowledge would be very strong (the little tricks that makes things work), high end manafacteuring has this and it takes years of ingrained knowledge to get it all..

/——/ It’s a done deal as libtards whine IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO CLOSE A DEAL.

Historic U.S.-UK Trade Deal Draws Praise

WASHINGTON — On Thursday, May 8th, 2025, the 80th anniversary of Victory Day for World War II, President Trump and Prime Minister Starmer delivered a major victory for U.S.-UK trade relations, expanding our economic integration while strengthening our national security. This breakthrough deal...

ustr.gov

May 14, 2025

WASHINGTON — On Thursday, May 8th, 2025, the 80th anniversary of Victory Day for World War II, President Trump and Prime Minister Starmer delivered a major victory for U.S.-UK trade relations, expanding our economic integration while strengthening our national security. This breakthrough deal brokered by President Trump advances the interests of the American people, eliminating trade barriers and enhancing market access for our exporters.

The historic agreement was met with immediate praise from farmers, manufacturers, industry leaders, and lawmakers:

 

[zaangalewa]

Well this is a funny one

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-britain-expected-announce-tariff-deal-thursday-2025-05-08/

UK (under Tories) has been begging US ...

"begging" ... one moment ... "betteln" ... got it.

Looks like a master of the universe tries to say here something. Sorry - but I still believe in another master of the universe. This master is not called USA although in English he also has a three letter name.

By the way: Have the Brits not a copyright for all English words? What about if the USA had to pay a millionth of a cent to GB for every English word which is used in the USA without any sense to do so? In this case they could earn every day a complete world globe of gold on a scale of 1:1, I guess. What a luck that you have not to pay for your idiocies this adequate price. This would disturb the Earth's almost circular orbit around the sun which may the real Lord of the universe prevent.

Oh well - the gross social product of the USA only has the equivalent of a lousy 275,000 tons of gold. The only thing that will help you to produce a little more gold is a supernova. What about to try a golden heart? A golden heart has much more capacities than all supernovas of the universe since ever had had.

By the way: Any explanation why the big bang not produced gold but this thing which we use in combination with oxigen for tears and sweat? How much sweat and tears needed Donald Trump last years for the 2, 3 or 4 billions which he made? Sweat and tears of the most poor people of the world? ¿US-Aid? ¿Christian values? ¿Quo vadis, USA?