US to work with new Palestinian Unity (Hamas + Fatah) Government?

Hamas' agenda is clear. Allying with them makes Fatah's agenda clear as well.

They want Israel to negotiate with the same organization that daily committes war crimes against 1.5 civilians?
 
In the 1930s, the majority of Germans democratically elevated the National Socialist German workers (Nazi) Party to supreme power in that country.

That does not mean that the Allies were obliged to deal with the Nazi Party, however, as the representatives of the people.

In the end, the Allies dealt with what was left of the German military, rather than any of the Nazi Party hacks.

Neither Israel nor anyone else is under any particular obligation to negotiate with Hamas or its offshoots.
 
Until Israel identified a tunnel being used by Hamas, to infiltrate into Israeli territory, and then sent-in a small force to destroy the tunnel on the Gazan end, in order to teach a lesson about such treachery.

To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.
 
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... and will continue until there is peace. No need for a ceasefire before negotiations have even begun.
 
Until Israel identified a tunnel being used by Hamas, to infiltrate into Israeli territory, and then sent-in a small force to destroy the tunnel on the Gazan end, in order to teach a lesson about such treachery.

To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.

It was a conspiracy by Da Joos, right?
 
Until Israel identified a tunnel being used by Hamas, to infiltrate into Israeli territory, and then sent-in a small force to destroy the tunnel on the Gazan end, in order to teach a lesson about such treachery.

To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.
I am not overly concerned by your perception of my credibility, New Meat.

If you have substantive information pertaining to the casus belli being bogus (to wit, that the Israelis made-up the story about the tunnel), by all means, present it, at your convenience.
 
I think your point about Germany is very well taken, actually.
But let's move away from our frail and limited notions of moral justification for just a moment. God Almighty might not think our moral standards are quite as sterling as we like to think they are. Let's talk instead about what is prudent to bring peace and save a bunch of lives. We can ask for absolution later. And in this case I think the ends truly will justify the means.
 
Until Israel identified a tunnel being used by Hamas, to infiltrate into Israeli territory, and then sent-in a small force to destroy the tunnel on the Gazan end, in order to teach a lesson about such treachery.

To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.
I am not overly concerned by your perception of my credibility, New Meat.

If you have substantive information pertaining to the casus belli being bogus (to wit, that the Israelis made-up the story about the tunnel), by all means, present it, at your convenience.

I was 17 in 1972. Went to Beirut. Knew even then that Israel was strafing, dropping napalm, clusterbombs, etc. First day I was there, up on the 10th floor of a hotel, we looked out over Beirut and saw .... Israeli planes to the south, flying low, doing damage, killing civilians. Next day in the world press they straight-facedly denied that they had ever vilolated Lebanon's airspace the day before. Malicious propaganda against them, obvious anti-Semitism, etc. The press cooperated and the rest of the world bought it. I had seen the magen david on the wings, and since then I NEVER believe any darned thing I read in the U.S. press on any topic remotely related to the Israel/Palestine issue. I try to use a combination of other sources, and there are plenty of them. To me, anything Israel says is a lie until proven otherwise, because for over 50 years to my very direct and personal knowledge that has been their basic modus operandi. Could provide literally hundreds of examples, nay, THOUSANDS. Meanwhile, let's go see what's on You Tube, shall we?
 
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...(1) To me, anything Israel says is a lie until proven otherwise... (2) Meanwhile, let's go see what's on You Tube, shall we?
Don't bother.

After seeing (1), I would not believe anything you served-up regarding (2).

After seeing (1), I would get a second opinion, even if (2) simply said that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
 
No, I am a very accomplished debunker of partisan hacks.
 
To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.
I am not overly concerned by your perception of my credibility, New Meat.

If you have substantive information pertaining to the casus belli being bogus (to wit, that the Israelis made-up the story about the tunnel), by all means, present it, at your convenience.

I was 17 in 1972. Went to Beirut. Knew even then that Israel was strafing, dropping napalm, clusterbombs, etc. First day I was there, up on the 10th floor of a hotel, we looked out over Beirut and saw .... Israeli planes to the south, flying low, doing damage, killing civilians. Next day in the world press they straight-facedly denied that they had ever vilolated Lebanon's airspace the day before. Malicious propaganda against them, obvious anti-Semitism, etc. The press cooperated and the rest of the world bought it. I had seen the magen david on the wings, and since then I NEVER believe any darned thing I read in the U.S. press on any topic remotely related to the Israel/Palestine issue. I try to use a combination of other sources, and there are plenty of them. To me, anything Israel says is a lie until proven otherwise, because for over 50 years to my very direct and personal knowledge that has been their basic modus operandi. Could provide literally hundreds of examples, nay, THOUSANDS. Meanwhile, let's go see what's on You Tube, shall we?

OK, you are completely full of shit.
The Palestinians are the biggest liars in the Middle East. They'd lie even when the truith would do. You dont care about that, of course. Nor do you care why Israel went into Lebanon in the first place. Because if you didnt see it, it didnt happen.
 
... and will continue until there is peace. No need for a ceasefire before negotiations have even begun.

Israel is not going to give in to every single Palestinian demand . For that reason alone the " Palestinian state" is DOA.
 
Well, that's too bad, then. Wait till you see how long that idiotic hafrada apartheid wall buys you peace....
 
Language, language, rabbi! Tut-tut.
No alas, I saw too darned much and I believe my own eyes. I'm weary and I want peace. You?
 
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Language, language, rabbi! Tut-tut.
No alas, I saw too darned much and I believe my own eyes. I'm weary and I want peace. You?

The only peace that will come from your approach is a Palestinian state with a few dhimmi Jews for show and the rest of them thrown into the sea.
 
Language, language, rabbi! Tut-tut.
No alas, I saw too darned much and I believe my own eyes. I'm weary and I want peace. You?

The only peace that will come from your approach is a Palestinian state with a few dhimmi Jews for show and the rest of them thrown into the sea.

In other words, the exact corollary of what exists today, right?
 
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Language, language, rabbi! Tut-tut.
No alas, I saw too darned much and I believe my own eyes. I'm weary and I want peace. You?
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Until Israel identified a tunnel being used by Hamas, to infiltrate into Israeli territory, and then sent-in a small force to destroy the tunnel on the Gazan end, in order to teach a lesson about such treachery.

To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.

It was a conspiracy by Da Joos, right?

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Isn't everything in their eyes?
 
To avoid being perceived as gullible, you need to maintain an index of suspicion about Israel's cover stories. You just lost a bit of credibility.
I am not overly concerned by your perception of my credibility, New Meat.

If you have substantive information pertaining to the casus belli being bogus (to wit, that the Israelis made-up the story about the tunnel), by all means, present it, at your convenience.

I was 17 in 1972. Went to Beirut. Knew even then that Israel was strafing, dropping napalm, clusterbombs, etc. First day I was there, up on the 10th floor of a hotel, we looked out over Beirut and saw .... Israeli planes to the south, flying low, doing damage, killing civilians. Next day in the world press they straight-facedly denied that they had ever vilolated Lebanon's airspace the day before. Malicious propaganda against them, obvious anti-Semitism, etc. The press cooperated and the rest of the world bought it. I had seen the magen david on the wings, and since then I NEVER believe any darned thing I read in the U.S. press on any topic remotely related to the Israel/Palestine issue. I try to use a combination of other sources, and there are plenty of them. To me, anything Israel says is a lie until proven otherwise, because for over 50 years to my very direct and personal knowledge that has been their basic modus operandi. Could provide literally hundreds of examples, nay, THOUSANDS. Meanwhile, let's go see what's on You Tube, shall we?

April 1973 and no napalm. It was in response to munich and black september
 
US to work with Palestinians

June 2 2014 at 09:48pm

By Reuters

Washington - The United States said on Monday it intends to work with the new Palestinian unity government and will continue to disburse aid to the Palestinian Authority but will monitor its policies.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas swore in a unity government on Monday in a reconciliation deal with Hamas Islamists, who advocate Israel's destruction.

“Based on what we know now we intend to work with this government but will be watching closely to ensure that it upholds principles that President Abbas reiterated today,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told a briefing. “But we will continue to evaluate the composition and policies of the new government and calibrate our approach accordingly.”

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US to work with Palestinians - World News | IOL News | IOL.co.za

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I will be curious to see just how far this goes, under the auspices of the Obama Administration...



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