US Seeks To Imprison Single Mother

[CurveLight]

I beg your pardon? Are you saying that people go into the military because we cannot get work elsewhere? That we are unqualified for jobs elsewhere?

Some do. I know of several.

Yes.. because passing the ASVAB means someone is unqualified to do work anywhere else

What a buffoon

Errrrr....not a good idea to reference the ASVAB. It's not exactly Ivy Prep material. As you so graciously have pointed out, I'm a moron but even i scored so high, along with a few others, we were given further tests and the offer to change our MOS before leaving the MEPS station.

 

[CurveLight]

Then why do we have the No. 1 all volunteer military force in the WORLD in HISTORY?

What a complete asswipe.

Because we wrote the equation to determine who has the best military in the world.

 

[DiamondDave]

Some do. I know of several.

Yes.. because passing the ASVAB means someone is unqualified to do work anywhere else

What a buffoon

Errrrr....not a good idea to reference the ASVAB. It's not exactly Ivy Prep material. As you so graciously have pointed out, I'm a moron but even i scored so high, along with a few others, we were given further tests and the offer to change our MOS before leaving the MEPS station.

Ow wow.... offered another job after testing by a recruiter, to something else that fit better... I am impressed, NOT...

And nobody compared the ASVAB to Ivy League, but nice try to try and skew the argument your way.... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'

You dishonest ****

 

[DiamondDave]

She was given an extension once already to find care.

Mom chooses son over service - CNN.com

And curve light's stance is now completely blown away

This would be a good time to practice what you preach about acquiring information. If you or the person had read the article you would have noticed glaring contradictions:

"Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan and her mother, Angelique Hughes, took in Kamani in a month before Hutchinson's deployment date."

Then read:


"But after a week with the infant, Hughes, who cares for ailing relatives and runs a day-care out of her home, said she felt so overwhelmed that she backed out."

(The op article by Yahoo says her mother had him for two weeks.)

Then look at:

"Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said Hutchinson's unit had known for months about its pending deployment and that it wasn't until the last minute that Hutchinson notified the Army of her child-care woes."

By the above information Hutchinson didn't find out until one or two weeks after she already sent her son to her mother, which would be 2 or 3 weeks prior to the deployment date. She learned of it at the last minute herself. Look at how the spokesperson pretended that never happened.


So if she sent her son to her mother one month before the deployment date and her mother kept the child for one or two weeks that means by the time Hutchinson found out it was between 21 and 14 days before the deployment date. How is it possible she was given a 30 day extension? If she was given an extension how is it possible she was ordered to deploy with her Unit? If she was given an extension there is no way her date of deployment order was the same day her Unit deployed. Based on the info in that CNN article someone is largely mistaken or being dishonest.

"Before shipping overseas, every soldier must sign military Form D-A 53-05, which states that failure to maintain a family care plan could result in disciplinary action.

Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan"...

"It's hard because he is very busy"
Well what ******* toddler is NOT??

Again, you dense and ignorant ************.. this does not switch the responsibility off her or to the military

Nice try... you fail, again

"Like all soldiers who face similar circumstances, Hutchinson received a 30-day extension back in August and September,"

Strike 3, you're OUT

Crawl back under your rock

Was that MOS you switched to something along the lines of supply?? Because your critical thinking skills and retention are crap

 

[CurveLight]

And curve light's stance is now completely blown away

This would be a good time to practice what you preach about acquiring information. If you or the person had read the article you would have noticed glaring contradictions:

"Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan and her mother, Angelique Hughes, took in Kamani in a month before Hutchinson's deployment date."

Then read:


"But after a week with the infant, Hughes, who cares for ailing relatives and runs a day-care out of her home, said she felt so overwhelmed that she backed out."

(The op article by Yahoo says her mother had him for two weeks.)

Then look at:

"Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said Hutchinson's unit had known for months about its pending deployment and that it wasn't until the last minute that Hutchinson notified the Army of her child-care woes."

By the above information Hutchinson didn't find out until one or two weeks after she already sent her son to her mother, which would be 2 or 3 weeks prior to the deployment date. She learned of it at the last minute herself. Look at how the spokesperson pretended that never happened.


So if she sent her son to her mother one month before the deployment date and her mother kept the child for one or two weeks that means by the time Hutchinson found out it was between 21 and 14 days before the deployment date. How is it possible she was given a 30 day extension? If she was given an extension how is it possible she was ordered to deploy with her Unit? If she was given an extension there is no way her date of deployment order was the same day her Unit deployed. Based on the info in that CNN article someone is largely mistaken or being dishonest.

"Before shipping overseas, every soldier must sign military Form D-A 53-05, which states that failure to maintain a family care plan could result in disciplinary action.

Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan"...

"It's hard because he is very busy"
Well what ******* toddler is NOT??

Again, you dense and ignorant ************.. this does not switch the responsibility off her or to the military

Nice try... you fail, again

"Like all soldiers who face similar circumstances, Hutchinson received a 30-day extension back in August and September,"

Strike 3, you're OUT

Crawl back under your rock

Was that MOS you switched to something along the lines of supply?? Because your critical thinking skills and retention are crap

Good grief man. That is the contradictory information. Let me walk you through this so you can be current. I said it would have been reasonable to give her more time to find a replacement when she found out the care plan fell through. Here are the facts as we know them right now.

1. She sent her son to her mother one month before the deployment date of November 5th.

2. Her mother kept the child for about two weeks.

3. That means Hutchinson found out the care plan fell through only two weeks before her unit deployment date.

Conclusion: it is ******* impossible she was given a 30 day extension.

The army spokesperson said she was given a 30 day extension back in August and September. This is where you can use a bit of critical thinking. What difference does it make she was given an extension months before she found out her care plan had fallen through? The person who posted that information was responding to me saying she should have been given an extension AFTER she found out her care plan fell through. She was not given an extension as evidenced by the facts above because she was ordered to deploy on November 5th with her Unit which was only two weeks prior to finding out her care plan fell through. If you had basic critical thinking skills and IF you had read the whole article you would have realized all of this.

 

[CurveLight]

Yes.. because passing the ASVAB means someone is unqualified to do work anywhere else

What a buffoon

Errrrr....not a good idea to reference the ASVAB. It's not exactly Ivy Prep material. As you so graciously have pointed out, I'm a moron but even i scored so high, along with a few others, we were given further tests and the offer to change our MOS before leaving the MEPS station.

Ow wow.... offered another job after testing by a recruiter, to something else that fit better... I am impressed, NOT...

And nobody compared the ASVAB to Ivy League, but nice try to try and skew the argument your way.... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'

You dishonest ****

My recruiter did not give me the ASVAB so hold your assumptions. I know nobody compared it to Ivy Prep material. I used what is called hyperbole to make a point. Finally, I am not the one who said they are in the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Since it is obvious you can't read simple posts and be knowledgeable about basic like who said what then I am not surprised a news story has your brain in a tail spin. Of course, I don't want any apology when you realize I am not the person who said some join the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Why? Insincere apologies are annoying. Just admit you fucked up, that's all.

 

[DiamondDave]

This would be a good time to practice what you preach about acquiring information. If you or the person had read the article you would have noticed glaring contradictions:

"Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan and her mother, Angelique Hughes, took in Kamani in a month before Hutchinson's deployment date."

Then read:


"But after a week with the infant, Hughes, who cares for ailing relatives and runs a day-care out of her home, said she felt so overwhelmed that she backed out."

(The op article by Yahoo says her mother had him for two weeks.)

Then look at:

"Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said Hutchinson's unit had known for months about its pending deployment and that it wasn't until the last minute that Hutchinson notified the Army of her child-care woes."

By the above information Hutchinson didn't find out until one or two weeks after she already sent her son to her mother, which would be 2 or 3 weeks prior to the deployment date. She learned of it at the last minute herself. Look at how the spokesperson pretended that never happened.


So if she sent her son to her mother one month before the deployment date and her mother kept the child for one or two weeks that means by the time Hutchinson found out it was between 21 and 14 days before the deployment date. How is it possible she was given a 30 day extension? If she was given an extension how is it possible she was ordered to deploy with her Unit? If she was given an extension there is no way her date of deployment order was the same day her Unit deployed. Based on the info in that CNN article someone is largely mistaken or being dishonest.

"Before shipping overseas, every soldier must sign military Form D-A 53-05, which states that failure to maintain a family care plan could result in disciplinary action.

Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan"...

"It's hard because he is very busy"
Well what ******* toddler is NOT??

Again, you dense and ignorant ************.. this does not switch the responsibility off her or to the military

Nice try... you fail, again

"Like all soldiers who face similar circumstances, Hutchinson received a 30-day extension back in August and September,"

Strike 3, you're OUT

Crawl back under your rock

Was that MOS you switched to something along the lines of supply?? Because your critical thinking skills and retention are crap

Good grief man. That is the contradictory information. Let me walk you through this so you can be current. I said it would have been reasonable to give her more time to find a replacement when she found out the care plan fell through. Here are the facts as we know them right now.

1. She sent her son to her mother one month before the deployment date of November 5th.

2. Her mother kept the child for about two weeks.

3. That means Hutchinson found out the care plan fell through only two weeks before her unit deployment date.

Conclusion: it is ******* impossible she was given a 30 day extension.

The army spokesperson said she was given a 30 day extension back in August and September. This is where you can use a bit of critical thinking. What difference does it make she was given an extension months before she found out her care plan had fallen through? The person who posted that information was responding to me saying she should have been given an extension AFTER she found out her care plan fell through. She was not given an extension as evidenced by the facts above because she was ordered to deploy on November 5th with her Unit which was only two weeks prior to finding out her care plan fell through. If you had basic critical thinking skills and IF you had read the whole article you would have realized all of this.

Again.. you lying sack of non-military shit

She is responsible for not only the plan but the backup as well... she did not have a viable plan nor a viable backup plan... that is her motherfucking responsibility, NOT the military's.... she is in violation of UCMJ... and she deservedly should get punished for her actions...

She is not entitled to extension, after extension, after extension

 

[Care4all]

The article says she was on the phone with her superiors the day of embarkation....she did not just not show and not even contact them.

As I said previously, if they let others off on this with a lesser disciplinary measure then she should be let off with the same measure instead of being charged as a CRIMINAL and put in prison for a couple of years...

I'm hopeful and almost certain, this will be the final outcome....no jail time or court martial.

 

[DiamondDave]

Errrrr....not a good idea to reference the ASVAB. It's not exactly Ivy Prep material. As you so graciously have pointed out, I'm a moron but even i scored so high, along with a few others, we were given further tests and the offer to change our MOS before leaving the MEPS station.

Ow wow.... offered another job after testing by a recruiter, to something else that fit better... I am impressed, NOT...

And nobody compared the ASVAB to Ivy League, but nice try to try and skew the argument your way.... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'

You dishonest ****

My recruiter did not give me the ASVAB so hold your assumptions. I know nobody compared it to Ivy Prep material. I used what is called hyperbole to make a point. Finally, I am not the one who said they are in the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Since it is obvious you can't read simple posts and be knowledgeable about basic like who said what then I am not surprised a news story has your brain in a tail spin. Of course, I don't want any apology when you realize I am not the person who said some join the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Why? Insincere apologies are annoying. Just admit you fucked up, that's all.

YOU hopped on the same argument bandwagon about the 'unqualified' military personnel, right with uscitizen... trying to add your little jab about the ASVAB.... when you agree with or add to that person's feeble argument, you get nailed for it too...

 

[DiamondDave]

The article says she was on the phone with her superiors the day of embarkation....she did not just not show and not even contact them.

As I said previously, if they let others off on this with a lesser disciplinary measure then she should be let off with the same measure instead of being charged as a CRIMINAL and put in prison for a couple of years...

I'm hopeful and almost certain, this will be the final outcome....no jail time or court martial.

Personally.. I hope they nail this woman to the wall to set an example... She was given extension.. she did not comply with regulations.. she disobeyed orders and she missed deployment

If I would have done something like that, I'd still be in the cell

 

[DiamondDave]

I get so tired of those people who say we join the military because we can't make it with a "real" job.

Yes indeed... especially the underhanded jabs like "It's no Ivy League"

Well.. the Ivy League don't teach you to adapt, overcome, and survive either... they could well be considered inferior preparation for 'making it in the real world'

The fact is that passing the ASVAB, people are much better off and much better equipped than a lot of the regular populace...

Now... let me go rip up a couple of resumes of some college grads and grant a couple interviews for ex-military folks for the openings in my department... Let's see if Obama's stimulus magically makes the college pukes find some jobs

 

[Care4all]

The article says she was on the phone with her superiors the day of embarkation....she did not just not show and not even contact them.

As I said previously, if they let others off on this with a lesser disciplinary measure then she should be let off with the same measure instead of being charged as a CRIMINAL and put in prison for a couple of years...

I'm hopeful and almost certain, this will be the final outcome....no jail time or court martial.

Personally.. I hope they nail this woman to the wall to set an example... She was given extension.. she did not comply with regulations.. she disobeyed orders and she missed deployment

If I would have done something like that, I'd still be in the cell

I bet they don't...not if they let others get away with it on lesser discipline...making an example out of someone, and NOT others, is inherently unjust....and we are a country of Justice for ALL.

 

[DiamondDave]

The article says she was on the phone with her superiors the day of embarkation....she did not just not show and not even contact them.

As I said previously, if they let others off on this with a lesser disciplinary measure then she should be let off with the same measure instead of being charged as a CRIMINAL and put in prison for a couple of years...

I'm hopeful and almost certain, this will be the final outcome....no jail time or court martial.

Personally.. I hope they nail this woman to the wall to set an example... She was given extension.. she did not comply with regulations.. she disobeyed orders and she missed deployment

If I would have done something like that, I'd still be in the cell

I bet they don't...not if they let others get away with it on lesser discipline...making an example out of someone, and NOT others, is inherently unjust....and we are a country of Justice for ALL.

Well.. she was breaking the law under UCMJ.. and I am not one for slap on the wrist punishments because of touchy-feely articles being written... you do the crime, you do your time... especially when she was given chances to rectify her improper plan

Just because someone in the past may have been given a lighter sentence for murder, does not mean that any subsequent murderer should only be sentenced to that level... same with any other crime and the assigned punishments

 

[CurveLight]

Ow wow.... offered another job after testing by a recruiter, to something else that fit better... I am impressed, NOT...

And nobody compared the ASVAB to Ivy League, but nice try to try and skew the argument your way.... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'

You dishonest ****

My recruiter did not give me the ASVAB so hold your assumptions. I know nobody compared it to Ivy Prep material. I used what is called hyperbole to make a point. Finally, I am not the one who said they are in the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Since it is obvious you can't read simple posts and be knowledgeable about basic like who said what then I am not surprised a news story has your brain in a tail spin. Of course, I don't want any apology when you realize I am not the person who said some join the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Why? Insincere apologies are annoying. Just admit you fucked up, that's all.

YOU hopped on the same argument bandwagon about the 'unqualified' military personnel, right with uscitizen... trying to add your little jab about the ASVAB.... when you agree with or add to that person's feeble argument, you get nailed for it too...

No I did not hop on the argument. I didn't even respond to that claim and I disagree with it. What I responded to was your reference to the asvab. Even when you are proven flat out wrong you refuse to admit it. You claimed it was my "INITIAL" argument:

(posted by DD)
".... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'"

Yet you accuse others of being dishonest when it is clear you choose to be dishonest instead of admitting a mistake. Please stop broadcasting you retired from the Army. You're embarrassing all active duty Soldiers and Vets.

 

[CurveLight]

"Before shipping overseas, every soldier must sign military Form D-A 53-05, which states that failure to maintain a family care plan could result in disciplinary action.

Hutchinson had agreed to such a plan"...

"It's hard because he is very busy"
Well what ******* toddler is NOT??

Again, you dense and ignorant ************.. this does not switch the responsibility off her or to the military

Nice try... you fail, again

"Like all soldiers who face similar circumstances, Hutchinson received a 30-day extension back in August and September,"

Strike 3, you're OUT

Crawl back under your rock

Was that MOS you switched to something along the lines of supply?? Because your critical thinking skills and retention are crap

Good grief man. That is the contradictory information. Let me walk you through this so you can be current. I said it would have been reasonable to give her more time to find a replacement when she found out the care plan fell through. Here are the facts as we know them right now.

1. She sent her son to her mother one month before the deployment date of November 5th.

2. Her mother kept the child for about two weeks.

3. That means Hutchinson found out the care plan fell through only two weeks before her unit deployment date.

Conclusion: it is ******* impossible she was given a 30 day extension.

The army spokesperson said she was given a 30 day extension back in August and September. This is where you can use a bit of critical thinking. What difference does it make she was given an extension months before she found out her care plan had fallen through? The person who posted that information was responding to me saying she should have been given an extension AFTER she found out her care plan fell through. She was not given an extension as evidenced by the facts above because she was ordered to deploy on November 5th with her Unit which was only two weeks prior to finding out her care plan fell through. If you had basic critical thinking skills and IF you had read the whole article you would have realized all of this.

Again.. you lying sack of non-military shit

She is responsible for not only the plan but the backup as well... she did not have a viable plan nor a viable backup plan... that is her motherfucking responsibility, NOT the military's.... she is in violation of UCMJ... and she deservedly should get punished for her actions...

She is not entitled to extension, after extension, after extension

Lol. So when you are shown where you are wrong, again, you choose to continue to call other people liars. Nobody said she is entitled to extension after extension. She didn't find out about.....ugh. Nevermind. It is obvious to me you absolutely refuse to be honest or admit your mistakes. I don't give a shit what you think.

 

[DiamondDave]

My recruiter did not give me the ASVAB so hold your assumptions. I know nobody compared it to Ivy Prep material. I used what is called hyperbole to make a point. Finally, I am not the one who said they are in the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Since it is obvious you can't read simple posts and be knowledgeable about basic like who said what then I am not surprised a news story has your brain in a tail spin. Of course, I don't want any apology when you realize I am not the person who said some join the military because they can't make it anywhere else. Why? Insincere apologies are annoying. Just admit you fucked up, that's all.

YOU hopped on the same argument bandwagon about the 'unqualified' military personnel, right with uscitizen... trying to add your little jab about the ASVAB.... when you agree with or add to that person's feeble argument, you get nailed for it too...

No I did not hop on the argument. I didn't even respond to that claim and I disagree with it. What I responded to was your reference to the asvab. Even when you are proven flat out wrong you refuse to admit it. You claimed it was my "INITIAL" argument:

(posted by DD)
".... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'"

Yet you accuse others of being dishonest when it is clear you choose to be dishonest instead of admitting a mistake. Please stop broadcasting you retired from the Army. You're embarrassing all active duty Soldiers and Vets.

No... my reference to the ASVAB is that it is a standard that people must meet to join the military, and having a standard where people are turned away (and yes they are turned away) does not lead to a status of 'not being able to make it on the outside'

Then you, in your infinite wisdom </sarcasm> hops on to add the snide remark of 'It's no Ivy League', to jump on the argument...

So **** off...

Yes, I did attribute an older statement to you, that was the other idiot's... but you did hop in to add your $0.02 of snide crap in support

And I never broadcast that I retired... I served my time and did not stay in til retirement.... but nice try, asshole.. your reading comprehension fails again

 

[CurveLight]

Personally.. I hope they nail this woman to the wall to set an example... She was given extension.. she did not comply with regulations.. she disobeyed orders and she missed deployment

If I would have done something like that, I'd still be in the cell

I bet they don't...not if they let others get away with it on lesser discipline...making an example out of someone, and NOT others, is inherently unjust....and we are a country of Justice for ALL.

Well.. she was breaking the law under UCMJ.. and I am not one for slap on the wrist punishments because of touchy-feely articles being written... you do the crime, you do your time... especially when she was given chances to rectify her improper plan

Just because someone in the past may have been given a lighter sentence for murder, does not mean that any subsequent murderer should only be sentenced to that level... same with any other crime and the assigned punishments

There you go flat out lying again. She was not given chances to "rectify her plan." I just showed you she only found out about two weeks prior to the deployment date that her care plan fell through. She was not given an extension after she found out as she was ordered to deploy with her unit. Every time you lie about this I will call it out.

 

[DiamondDave]

I bet they don't...not if they let others get away with it on lesser discipline...making an example out of someone, and NOT others, is inherently unjust....and we are a country of Justice for ALL.

Well.. she was breaking the law under UCMJ.. and I am not one for slap on the wrist punishments because of touchy-feely articles being written... you do the crime, you do your time... especially when she was given chances to rectify her improper plan

Just because someone in the past may have been given a lighter sentence for murder, does not mean that any subsequent murderer should only be sentenced to that level... same with any other crime and the assigned punishments

There you go flat out lying again. She was not given chances to "rectify her plan." I just showed you she only found out about two weeks prior to the deployment date that her care plan fell through. She was not given an extension after she found out as she was ordered to deploy with her unit. Every time you lie about this I will call it out.

You disingenuous asshole

She was given an extension.. she is not entitled to extension after extension for her own **** ups.. for her own non-compliance to regulation...

You are the motherfucking liar here....

She IS in violation of UCMJ... she refused deployment... she disobeyed orders... she did not follow regulations... she did not have her proper plans... she was given an extension... her subsequent plans did not meet regulations AGAIN... those are facts... with those facts, she deserves punishment... not praise and some touchy-feely news article

 

[DiamondDave]

Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said Hutchinson's unit had known for months about its pending deployment and that it wasn't until the last minute that Hutchinson notified the Army of her child-care woes.

Like all soldiers who face similar circumstances, Hutchinson received a 30-day extension back in August and September, Larson said.

That's "plenty of time," he said, "to work out another care plan."

Mom chooses son over service - CNN.com

 

[CurveLight]

YOU hopped on the same argument bandwagon about the 'unqualified' military personnel, right with uscitizen... trying to add your little jab about the ASVAB.... when you agree with or add to that person's feeble argument, you get nailed for it too...

No I did not hop on the argument. I didn't even respond to that claim and I disagree with it. What I responded to was your reference to the asvab. Even when you are proven flat out wrong you refuse to admit it. You claimed it was my "INITIAL" argument:

(posted by DD)
".... your INITIAL argument that they are in there because they 'cannot make it anywhere else'"

Yet you accuse others of being dishonest when it is clear you choose to be dishonest instead of admitting a mistake. Please stop broadcasting you retired from the Army. You're embarrassing all active duty Soldiers and Vets.

No... my reference to the ASVAB is that it is a standard that people must meet to join the military, and having a standard where people are turned away (and yes they are turned away) does not lead to a status of 'not being able to make it on the outside'

Then you, in your infinite wisdom </sarcasm> hops on to add the snide remark of 'It's no Ivy League', to jump on the argument...

So **** off...

Yes, I did attribute an older statement to you, that was the other idiot's... but you did hop in to add your $0.02 of snide crap in support

And I never broadcast that I retired... I served my time and did not stay in til retirement.... but nice try, asshole.. your reading comprehension fails again

My mistake on the "retired" part. See? Admitting an error is not the end of the world. Again, I did not agree with uscitizen's statement. Try reading this again:

No I did not hop on the argument. I didn't even respond to that claim and I disagree with it. What I responded to was your reference to the asvab..

Once again, the ivy prep comment was hyperbole. How many times do you need to read the same simple information before comprehension has occurred? My request does remain though. Please stop broadcasting you are a Vet. You're embarrassing all Vets.