US Seeks To Imprison Single Mother

[☭proletarian☭]

As I said, so much for personal responsibility

 

[Care4all]

I wonder whether a single father would get the same outpouring of attention

he WOULD from me, with the same circumstances! or EVEN, MORESO!

 

[DiamondDave]

So much for personal responsibility.

If she planned on having a child and she's too stupid to have a contingency plan, she shouldn't have joined the service.

I call for a dishonorable discharge.

And I'm sure you've always held yourself to this grid iron Death Star philosophy eh? C'mon. All she asked for was more time to find another caregiver. You're acting like she was just trying to get out of deployment when that's clearly not the case.

No.. it is your ill-informed opinion that it is not the case...

It is the informed opinion of her commanders that this is indeed the case... it is also pretty obvious to those who have actually served in the military and not just posed that they have

She knew for MONTHS about her pending deployment and it is HER responsibility, not the military's responsibility, to have the verified and proper plans in place for the care of her child...

As asked again and again.. is she to be given extension after extension for her own dereliction of duty, her non-compliance with regulations, and her disobeying orders??

I saw this type of scam played more times than I cared to remember during Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia

 

[CurveLight]

It doesn't matter where the father is. The fact is she has nobody to leave the child with. Do you agree that is Court Martial material? What you call "missing information" looks more like a way to agree with the Court Martial.

Just want to point out that this attitude explains ALOT about the problems in this country.

it says in the article that the father and she split or something of the sort....?

but what you highlighted, fathers not taking responsibility for their own kin, is part of the problem according to statistics in the african american community, moreso than other ethnicities...(but not excluding other ethnicities) Deadbeat dad's are still around....boocoos of them...white, black, yellow, brown and red....they are out there!

(For clarification: I'm the one who said it doesn't matter where the father is. It wasn't Vel.)

In regards to this situation and how the military reacts it does not matter where the father is.


If you want to delve into the arena of socioeconomics of single parent homes broken down by race and income you may want to start a new thread.

 

[Care4all]

Wow. You absolutely are addicted to dishonesty aren't you? Please. Please stop broadcasting you're a Vet. You have no idea how much damage it does to the image of all Vets when someone like you continually actively engages in dishonesty.

I mean, why try to selectively quote that part from the article when I've already shown she sent her son away a month before the deployment date? I've already shown she didn't know her care plan fell through until only two weeks before the deployment date? All you are doing is insulting people who are reading this thread. You're hoping they are as dumb as you are dishonest but I hate to break it to ya, nobody is falling for your garbage. Now do the only thing you know how to do and drop some more neat phrases using the rep button because you sure as hell aren't man enough to be honest.

seems to me and only logical, that she was definitely making an effort to comply with her orders....I'm sure in the end, the gvt will not prosecute and jail her for this... I would guess that there are other women who did not even go as far as she did, in trying to make it all work, that have not served jail time for it?

As asked over and over and over again.... is she to be given extension after extension for her non-compliance and her own ****-ups against regulations??

I don't see it as her own ''**** up''.... i see it as her following her plan, that the gvt accepted/approved. She did send her child off to her mother's to live with her....

HER mother THEN changed her mind.... this military person did not change her mind and not send the child off to her mother's thus, not following through with the arrangements she gave as her plan for child's care.

YOU are being tooooo HARSH dave, imho.

and yes, if she needed a 2nd extension of 30 days to take care of the issue, they should have given it to her...at least from what has been reported on it so far and again, imo.

care

 

[DiamondDave]

seems to me and only logical, that she was definitely making an effort to comply with her orders....I'm sure in the end, the gvt will not prosecute and jail her for this... I would guess that there are other women who did not even go as far as she did, in trying to make it all work, that have not served jail time for it?

As asked over and over and over again.... is she to be given extension after extension for her non-compliance and her own ****-ups against regulations??

I don't see it as her own ''**** up''.... i see it as her following her plan, that the gvt accepted/approved. She did send her child off to her mother's to live with her....

HER mother THEN changed her mind.... this military person did not change her mind and not send the child off to her mother's thus, not following through with the arrangements she gave as her plan for child's care.

YOU are being tooooo HARSH dave, imho.

and yes, if she needed a 2nd extension of 30 days to take care of the issue, they should have given it to her...at least from what has been reported on it so far and again, imo.

care

That is where you are wrong, care

It is indeed her **** up

She is responsible for the continual viability of her plan... she is indeed responsibility for the viability of a backup plan... and she has months before her deployment to ensure the viability of her plans, and not just speculate... personally, anyone with a lick of common sense would have some questions about someone in her mom's situation having the ability to take care of her child..

Now I have seen soldiers make arrangements with other soldiers, when push came to shove, when my battalion was having multiple deployments to Somalia... given months to set up plans and backup plans, the only ones that seemed to have problems were the ones who really did not want to be deployed into a hot zone... funny how that usually works

No... someone should not just be given extension after extension because they subjectively want better plans.... you don't order the military when and where you get deployed... the military in this case, and in other cases, did try to accommodate when she had improper plans against regulation... she laid all her eggs in one basket, and that is the BEST case scenario.. as stated, I agree with her commanders (as reported) and believe this person is really not wanting to be deployed.. and is using a sob story to try and facilitate that desire

 

[CurveLight]

So much for personal responsibility.

If she planned on having a child and she's too stupid to have a contingency plan, she shouldn't have joined the service.

I call for a dishonorable discharge.

And I'm sure you've always held yourself to this grid iron Death Star philosophy eh? C'mon. All she asked for was more time to find another caregiver. You're acting like she was just trying to get out of deployment when that's clearly not the case.

No.. it is your ill-informed opinion that it is not the case...

It is the informed opinion of her commanders that this is indeed the case... it is also pretty obvious to those who have actually served in the military and not just posed that they have

She knew for MONTHS about her pending deployment and it is HER responsibility, not the military's responsibility, to have the verified and proper plans in place for the care of her child...

As asked again and again.. is she to be given extension after extension for her own dereliction of duty, her non-compliance with regulations, and her disobeying orders??

I saw this type of scam played more times than I cared to remember during Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia

She sent her child to her mother one month before deployment but you keep ignoring that and act like she did nothing to prepare for deployment. Then you keep repeating the mantra about extensions.

SHE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN EXTENSION AFTER SHE LEARNED THE CARE PLAN FELL THROUGH!!!

You keep ignoring that because for whatever reason you hate this soldier. Also, what do you think you are accomplishing by repeatedly accusing me of lying about my service? Going by what I've seen from you there is no doubt you are the kind of person who I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

 

[DiamondDave]

And I'm sure you've always held yourself to this grid iron Death Star philosophy eh? C'mon. All she asked for was more time to find another caregiver. You're acting like she was just trying to get out of deployment when that's clearly not the case.

No.. it is your ill-informed opinion that it is not the case...

It is the informed opinion of her commanders that this is indeed the case... it is also pretty obvious to those who have actually served in the military and not just posed that they have

She knew for MONTHS about her pending deployment and it is HER responsibility, not the military's responsibility, to have the verified and proper plans in place for the care of her child...

As asked again and again.. is she to be given extension after extension for her own dereliction of duty, her non-compliance with regulations, and her disobeying orders??

I saw this type of scam played more times than I cared to remember during Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia

She sent her child to her mother one month before deployment but you keep ignoring that and act like she did nothing to prepare for deployment. Then you keep repeating the mantra about extensions.

SHE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN EXTENSION AFTER SHE LEARNED THE CARE PLAN FELL THROUGH!!!

You keep ignoring that because for whatever reason you hate this soldier. Also, what do you think you are accomplishing by repeatedly accusing me of lying about my service? Going by what I've seen from you there is no doubt you are the kind of person who I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

She was given an extension prior to that when her original plans were insufficient... her subsequent plans with her mother were also woefully insufficient as well as the fact that she did not have a viable backup plan... she is in violation of regulations and in violation of UCMJ

But don't let those facts get in the way of your little agenda-based rant

You have been given the list of facts... you ignore them....


You want the list of facts again? Fine

She knew of her deployment for MONTHS
She had inadequate plans in violation of regulations
She was given an extension to fix these plans
She was set for deployment again
A month before is when the mysterious inability of her mother comes into play
Her responsibility for having the required plans does not change and regulations do not change
She waits until the last minute to inform her comand
she disobeys orders
She is in violation of regulations
She refuses deployment
She is in violation of UCMJ

Go **** yourself, phony

 

[CurveLight]

seems to me and only logical, that she was definitely making an effort to comply with her orders....I'm sure in the end, the gvt will not prosecute and jail her for this... I would guess that there are other women who did not even go as far as she did, in trying to make it all work, that have not served jail time for it?

As asked over and over and over again.... is she to be given extension after extension for her non-compliance and her own ****-ups against regulations??

I don't see it as her own ''**** up''.... i see it as her following her plan, that the gvt accepted/approved. She did send her child off to her mother's to live with her....

HER mother THEN changed her mind.... this military person did not change her mind and not send the child off to her mother's thus, not following through with the arrangements she gave as her plan for child's care.

YOU are being tooooo HARSH dave, imho.

and yes, if she needed a 2nd extension of 30 days to take care of the issue, they should have given it to her...at least from what has been reported on it so far and again, imo.

care

She was never given a first 30 day extension after she knew the care plan fell through. DD is referring to disinformation given by the military spokesperson and trying his best to repeat it to the exclusion of the other facts.

 

[CurveLight]

No.. it is your ill-informed opinion that it is not the case...

It is the informed opinion of her commanders that this is indeed the case... it is also pretty obvious to those who have actually served in the military and not just posed that they have

She knew for MONTHS about her pending deployment and it is HER responsibility, not the military's responsibility, to have the verified and proper plans in place for the care of her child...

As asked again and again.. is she to be given extension after extension for her own dereliction of duty, her non-compliance with regulations, and her disobeying orders??

I saw this type of scam played more times than I cared to remember during Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia

She sent her child to her mother one month before deployment but you keep ignoring that and act like she did nothing to prepare for deployment. Then you keep repeating the mantra about extensions.

SHE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN EXTENSION AFTER SHE LEARNED THE CARE PLAN FELL THROUGH!!!

You keep ignoring that because for whatever reason you hate this soldier. Also, what do you think you are accomplishing by repeatedly accusing me of lying about my service? Going by what I've seen from you there is no doubt you are the kind of person who I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

She was given an extension prior to that when her original plans were insufficient... her subsequent plans with her mother were also woefully insufficient as well as the fact that she did not have a viable backup plan... she is in violation of regulations and in violation of UCMJ

But don't let those facts get in the way of your little agenda-based rant

You have been given the list of facts... you ignore them....


You want the list of facts again? Fine

She knew of her deployment for MONTHS
She had inadequate plans in violation of regulations
She was given an extension to fix these plans
She was set for deployment again
A month before is when the mysterious inability of her mother comes into play
Her responsibility for having the required plans does not change and regulations do not change
She waits until the last minute to inform her comand
she disobeys orders
She is in violation of regulations
She refuses deployment
She is in violation of UCMJ

Go **** yourself, phony

That list is no where near factual. That is you being dishonest. Again. I've posted the facts too many times to post them again. People who want to be honest will do so. People like you will continue to be dishonest and hope that accomplishes something.....for whatever crazy reason.

 

[CurveLight]

As asked over and over and over again.... is she to be given extension after extension for her non-compliance and her own ****-ups against regulations??

I don't see it as her own ''**** up''.... i see it as her following her plan, that the gvt accepted/approved. She did send her child off to her mother's to live with her....

HER mother THEN changed her mind.... this military person did not change her mind and not send the child off to her mother's thus, not following through with the arrangements she gave as her plan for child's care.

YOU are being tooooo HARSH dave, imho.

and yes, if she needed a 2nd extension of 30 days to take care of the issue, they should have given it to her...at least from what has been reported on it so far and again, imo.

care

That is where you are wrong, care

It is indeed her **** up

She is responsible for the continual viability of her plan... she is indeed responsibility for the viability of a backup plan... and she has months before her deployment to ensure the viability of her plans, and not just speculate... personally, anyone with a lick of common sense would have some questions about someone in her mom's situation having the ability to take care of her child..

Now I have seen soldiers make arrangements with other soldiers, when push came to shove, when my battalion was having multiple deployments to Somalia... given months to set up plans and backup plans, the only ones that seemed to have problems were the ones who really did not want to be deployed into a hot zone... funny how that usually works

No... someone should not just be given extension after extension because they subjectively want better plans.... you don't order the military when and where you get deployed... the military in this case, and in other cases, did try to accommodate when she had improper plans against regulation... she laid all her eggs in one basket, and that is the BEST case scenario.. as stated, I agree with her commanders (as reported) and believe this person is really not wanting to be deployed.. and is using a sob story to try and facilitate that desire

There it is. Finally we see a bit of honesty from DD. You accuse her of trying to avoid deployment permanently yet you don't have a single viable reason to make the accusation. Hell, it looks like your guilty conscience is running your life and it is obvious to everyone. But. You.

 

[DiamondDave]

I don't see it as her own ''**** up''.... i see it as her following her plan, that the gvt accepted/approved. She did send her child off to her mother's to live with her....

HER mother THEN changed her mind.... this military person did not change her mind and not send the child off to her mother's thus, not following through with the arrangements she gave as her plan for child's care.

YOU are being tooooo HARSH dave, imho.

and yes, if she needed a 2nd extension of 30 days to take care of the issue, they should have given it to her...at least from what has been reported on it so far and again, imo.

care

That is where you are wrong, care

It is indeed her **** up

She is responsible for the continual viability of her plan... she is indeed responsibility for the viability of a backup plan... and she has months before her deployment to ensure the viability of her plans, and not just speculate... personally, anyone with a lick of common sense would have some questions about someone in her mom's situation having the ability to take care of her child..

Now I have seen soldiers make arrangements with other soldiers, when push came to shove, when my battalion was having multiple deployments to Somalia... given months to set up plans and backup plans, the only ones that seemed to have problems were the ones who really did not want to be deployed into a hot zone... funny how that usually works

No... someone should not just be given extension after extension because they subjectively want better plans.... you don't order the military when and where you get deployed... the military in this case, and in other cases, did try to accommodate when she had improper plans against regulation... she laid all her eggs in one basket, and that is the BEST case scenario.. as stated, I agree with her commanders (as reported) and believe this person is really not wanting to be deployed.. and is using a sob story to try and facilitate that desire

There it is. Finally we see a bit of honesty from DD. You accuse her of trying to avoid deployment permanently yet you don't have a single viable reason to make the accusation. Hell, it looks like your guilty conscience is running your life and it is obvious to everyone. But. You.

Hence... the noted opinion stated... and labeled as such when I first stated it.. .keeping it aside from the facts of the case, which you continually ignore

 

[DiamondDave]

She sent her child to her mother one month before deployment but you keep ignoring that and act like she did nothing to prepare for deployment. Then you keep repeating the mantra about extensions.

SHE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN EXTENSION AFTER SHE LEARNED THE CARE PLAN FELL THROUGH!!!

You keep ignoring that because for whatever reason you hate this soldier. Also, what do you think you are accomplishing by repeatedly accusing me of lying about my service? Going by what I've seen from you there is no doubt you are the kind of person who I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

She was given an extension prior to that when her original plans were insufficient... her subsequent plans with her mother were also woefully insufficient as well as the fact that she did not have a viable backup plan... she is in violation of regulations and in violation of UCMJ

But don't let those facts get in the way of your little agenda-based rant

You have been given the list of facts... you ignore them....


You want the list of facts again? Fine

She knew of her deployment for MONTHS
She had inadequate plans in violation of regulations
She was given an extension to fix these plans
She was set for deployment again
A month before is when the mysterious inability of her mother comes into play
Her responsibility for having the required plans does not change and regulations do not change
She waits until the last minute to inform her command
she disobeys orders
She is in violation of regulations
She refuses deployment
She is in violation of UCMJ

Go **** yourself, phony

That list is no where near factual. That is you being dishonest. Again. I've posted the facts too many times to post them again. People who want to be honest will do so. People like you will continue to be dishonest and hope that accomplishes something.....for whatever crazy reason.

That list is ENTIRELY factual... you not wanting it to be factual does not make it false

All those facts have been verified in every report

 

[DiamondDave]

As asked over and over and over again.... is she to be given extension after extension for her non-compliance and her own ****-ups against regulations??

I don't see it as her own ''**** up''.... i see it as her following her plan, that the gvt accepted/approved. She did send her child off to her mother's to live with her....

HER mother THEN changed her mind.... this military person did not change her mind and not send the child off to her mother's thus, not following through with the arrangements she gave as her plan for child's care.

YOU are being tooooo HARSH dave, imho.

and yes, if she needed a 2nd extension of 30 days to take care of the issue, they should have given it to her...at least from what has been reported on it so far and again, imo.

care

She was never given a first 30 day extension after she knew the care plan fell through. DD is referring to disinformation given by the military spokesperson and trying his best to repeat it to the exclusion of the other facts.

And there it is.. you do not trust the military....

She was given an extension prior when she KNEW about her deployment MONTHS ahead of time

Again, for the retarded.. it is HER responsibility to have a viable and verified plan for her family/children in case of deployment... it is not the military's responsibility... she did not live up to those requirements.. she is in violation of regulations and UCMJ

You are the one excluding the facts you do not want to hear

 

[DiamondDave]

Her mother had to sign the FCP as well as her daughter. Read here:

What About the Children? (Page 2)

From your article:





Read more: Army charges single mom who refused deployment

Are you telling me it does not seem suspicious to you that her Mom can care for 14 other children a day but not her grandson, one she signed on the dotted line to do? Why can't she drop one or two of the 14 other children she cares for to care for her grandson? Not to mention this soldier was already granted an extension last year to find care. Where is the boy’s father too?

The Rag Blog: A Morally Bankrupt Military : Spc. Alexis Hutchinson and Pvt. Paul Rich

Adding we are only hearing this soldiers side. There are always two sides.

If GrandMom had so much going on caring for 17 people as she states in your article then she should not have signed the FCP and her daughter should have been discharged in '08 when she got pregnant. Or daughter should have asked someone else.

The reason the plan fell through is irrelevant. For whatever reason, her mother returned the child to her after keeping him for two weeks. When this happened she informed her COC and all she asked was more time to find a replacement. She was not permanently refusing deployment. She was refusing to leave her son with strangers and would have deployed when she found a replacement. Under the circumstances that seemed reasonable.

She was given an extension once already to find care.

Mom chooses son over service - CNN.com

Need these facts and points bumped up again

 

[Cold Fusion38]

And I'm sure you've always held yourself to this grid iron Death Star philosophy eh? C'mon. All she asked for was more time to find another caregiver. You're acting like she was just trying to get out of deployment when that's clearly not the case.

No.. it is your ill-informed opinion that it is not the case...

It is the informed opinion of her commanders that this is indeed the case... it is also pretty obvious to those who have actually served in the military and not just posed that they have

She knew for MONTHS about her pending deployment and it is HER responsibility, not the military's responsibility, to have the verified and proper plans in place for the care of her child...

As asked again and again.. is she to be given extension after extension for her own dereliction of duty, her non-compliance with regulations, and her disobeying orders??

I saw this type of scam played more times than I cared to remember during Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia

She sent her child to her mother one month before deployment but you keep ignoring that and act like she did nothing to prepare for deployment. Then you keep repeating the mantra about extensions.

SHE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN EXTENSION AFTER SHE LEARNED THE CARE PLAN FELL THROUGH!!!

You keep ignoring that because for whatever reason you hate this soldier. Also, what do you think you are accomplishing by repeatedly accusing me of lying about my service? Going by what I've seen from you there is no doubt you are the kind of person who I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

YOU keep ignoring that she is REQUIRED to have a BACK-UP plan!!!

 

[CurveLight]

The reason the plan fell through is irrelevant. For whatever reason, her mother returned the child to her after keeping him for two weeks. When this happened she informed her COC and all she asked was more time to find a replacement. She was not permanently refusing deployment. She was refusing to leave her son with strangers and would have deployed when she found a replacement. Under the circumstances that seemed reasonable.

She was given an extension once already to find care.

Mom chooses son over service - CNN.com

Need these facts and points bumped up again

I've repeatedly pointed out your dishonesty and you refuse to address it. I've acknowledged every single fact including the "extension" given 3 months prior to deployment. That "extension" is bullshit because it was months before the care plan fell through. She needed the extension when she found out her mom could not keep her son which was TWO WEEKS before deployment. I've got nothing else to say to you on this matter so please have the last word and feel free to keep accusing me of lying about my service. All that does is embarrass you and shows you live in a world of paranoia, as shown further by you accusing her of trying to get out of deployment when you have absolutely no reason to lay out the accusation.

 

[DiamondDave]

Larson said the Army is sympathetic to soldiers' child care concerns, but that when Hutchinson told officers she had nowhere to leave her child, that was not entirely true.

"The command set up alternative child care options for her," he said. "Some organizations came forward, including a well-known veterans group, and offered to take care of the child. Command passed that on to Spc. Hutchinson, and she said no."

You have not disproved a single thing that has been listed as fact

You keep insisting that she was not given ANOTHER extension after her plans "fell through"... well, you don't just keep getting extensions for dereliction of duty... it don't work that way

I will continue to point out that you are most likely lying about your service, as you have shown ZERO knowledge of military regulation... that leads to the logical conclusion that you are indeed another poser liar on these boards

 

[Care4all]

if i ever had a child, i would not leave it with strangers, giving them power of attorney over my child. maybe some mothers would feel comfortable with this, but i would not.

 

[CurveLight]

No.. it is your ill-informed opinion that it is not the case...

It is the informed opinion of her commanders that this is indeed the case... it is also pretty obvious to those who have actually served in the military and not just posed that they have

She knew for MONTHS about her pending deployment and it is HER responsibility, not the military's responsibility, to have the verified and proper plans in place for the care of her child...

As asked again and again.. is she to be given extension after extension for her own dereliction of duty, her non-compliance with regulations, and her disobeying orders??

I saw this type of scam played more times than I cared to remember during Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia

She sent her child to her mother one month before deployment but you keep ignoring that and act like she did nothing to prepare for deployment. Then you keep repeating the mantra about extensions.

SHE WAS NEVER GIVEN AN EXTENSION AFTER SHE LEARNED THE CARE PLAN FELL THROUGH!!!

You keep ignoring that because for whatever reason you hate this soldier. Also, what do you think you are accomplishing by repeatedly accusing me of lying about my service? Going by what I've seen from you there is no doubt you are the kind of person who I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

YOU keep ignoring that she is REQUIRED to have a BACK-UP plan!!!

Could you please quote the requirements from AR 600-20? Thanks.