US has no evidence of unfolding genocide in Gaza, Pentagon says

[toomuchtime_]

The United States does not have evidence that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza as it carries out its war against Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told a Senate hearing on Tuesday.

"We don't have evidence of that," Austin told the Senate Armed Services Committee.




Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel killed 1,200 people, according to Israeli tallies. Israel's subsequent military assault on Hamas-governed Gaza has displaced nearly all its 2.3 million population and led to genocide allegations that Israel denies. The United States is Israel's biggest military supporter but has pressed it to do more to help civilians in Gaza.

US defense secretary says there's no evidence of Israel committing genocide in Gaza

Austin's testimony was interrupted by multiple pro-Palestinian protesters who erupted into applause each time Capitol Hill police escorted a demonstrator out of the senate chamber.

www.jpost.com

We all know there is no genocide Gaza.

 

[Iori_Yagami]

Not all wars are genocide. It's that simple.
Just because psychos keep crying 'genocide' doesn't make it so.

Still, war is barbaric. So is terrorism. Anyone has a recipe about how to deal with well-armed terrorist with tunnels, guns and whatnot without actually fighting them? No? Figures.

 

[JGalt]

Fuck those Palestinians. They voted Hamas into power and let them turn Gaza and the West Bank into terrorist sanctuaries, so they get what they had coming to them.

 

[Iori_Yagami]

Fuck those Palestinians. They voted Hamas into power and let them turn Gaza and the West Bank into terrorist sanctuaries, so they get what they had coming to them.

Well, people shouldn't be dying. Also, I can't guarantee they 'voted'. I mean, in the same sense occupied Ukrainians 'voted'. 'Vote correctly for Mr. Putin or you're a Ukronazi'. Not much of a choice.
But I get your idea, digging tunnels and making rocket launchers instead of infrastructure is disgusting. Still, Israel should care about safety of their own citizens first, then about all the others. Tough situation, but there are no saints on Earth.

 

[MisterBeale]

ICJ Issues New Order in Genocide Case Against Israel

The World Court cited "exceptionally grave" developments, especially the "spread of famine and starvation," in once again ordering Israel to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza. By Brett Wilkins Common Dreams Citing "the worsening conditions of life faced by Palestinians in Gaza, in particular t

consortiumnews.com

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240328-ord-01-00-en.pdf

 

[toomuchtime_]

Fuck those Palestinians. They voted Hamas into power and let them turn Gaza and the West Bank into terrorist sanctuaries, so they get what they had coming to them.

Hamas clearly is the voice of the Palestinians.

Majority of Palestinians Still Support Oct. 7 Massacre, Want Hamas to Control Gaza After War: Poll​

The vast majority of Palestinians still support Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre across southern Israel and don’t believe the terror group engaged in war crimes during its invasion of the Jewish state that left 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostage, according to new polling.

The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) on Wednesday released its latest poll about Palestinian attitudes toward Hamas, the Oct. 7 atrocities, and the ongoing war in Gaza as a whole.

It found that 71% of Palestinians believe Hamas’ decision to launch an offensive against Israel on Oct. 7 was “correct.”

Among those who live in Hamas-ruled Gaza, support for the Oct. 7 attack rose from 57 percent in December to 71 percent this month. Among those who live in the West Bank, support dropped from 82 percent to 71 percent over the same period. Palestinians saw the decision to invade Israel and massacre civilians as correct even though it precipitated a war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, created a humanitarian crisis in the coastal enclave, and did not draw other Arab states or groups into all-out war with Israel.

Majority of Palestinians Still Support Oct. 7 Massacre, Want Hamas to Control Gaza After War: Poll - Algemeiner.com

The vast majority of Palestinians still support Hamas' Oct. 7 massacre across southern Israel and don't believe the terror group engaged in war crimes during its invasion of the Jewish state that left 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostage, according to new polling. The Palestinian...

www.algemeiner.com

 

[toomuchtime_]

ICJ Issues New Order in Genocide Case Against Israel

The World Court cited "exceptionally grave" developments, especially the "spread of famine and starvation," in once again ordering Israel to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza. By Brett Wilkins Common Dreams Citing "the worsening conditions of life faced by Palestinians in Gaza, in particular t

consortiumnews.com

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And sill did not find any evidence of genocide.

 

[MisterBeale]

And sill did not find any evidence of genocide.

So? You didn't bother to read the article, which linked you to the related UN material?

". . . However, the court found that “exceptionally grave” recent developments, including “at least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration… constitute a change in the situation.”

Underscoring the severity of the crisis, a 5-year-old boy, identified by Al Jazeera as Mohammed Naeem al-Najar, died of malnutrition Thursday at Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza.

This, as Israel is blocking UNRWA aid convoys from entering the northern part of the besieged strip.

The U.N. Human Rights Council on Monday published a draft report that found “reasonable grounds to believe” that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, a move that came on the same day as the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution demanding an immediate cease-fire in the ongoing war, a move enabled by a U.S. abstention.

More than 30 nations, as well as the Arab League, African Union, and other international organizations, have joined South Africa’s ICJ suit.

On Wednesday, Ireland said it would intervene in the case after observing “blatant violation of international humanitarian law on a mass scale” by Israeli forces in Gaza. . . "

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf

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[ekrem]

Except some Silicon Valley success stories, some US immigration hi-tech wealth clusters the US family increasingly will be unable to put food abundantly on the table as previous generation were able to. It already started, just compare your grocery prices to 5-6 years ago.

Within 15 years (as the US looses its sole Superpower status) and other countries will take their share of gloabal wealth (primarily China) off the US family food table the so-called American Jews' wealth will come under scrutiny from grassroots. Happened many times in past in other countries, will happen in USA also.

Where will they go this time ? Not many if any places left.
Plus American population is heavily armed, I pity you in advance.
No US Congress swamp can save you.

 

[MisterBeale]

Fuck those Palestinians. They voted Hamas into power and let them turn Gaza and the West Bank into terrorist sanctuaries, so they get what they had coming to them.

They would have a stronger ground to stand on, if they had a safe place to mass protest their own leadership, who should, at this point surrender.

This is, a given.

. . . but where could they protest at this point, with out being slaughtered like sheep?

 

[justoffal]

Not all wars are genocide. It's that simple.
Just because psychos keep crying 'genocide' doesn't make it so.

Still, war is barbaric. So is terrorism. Anyone has a recipe about how to deal with well-armed terrorist with tunnels, guns and whatnot without actually fighting them? No? Figures.

If they stop now Hamas will rebuild and come back after them just as surely as the Sun comes up tomorrow.

 

[JGalt]

They would have a stronger ground to stand on, if they had a safe place to mass protest their own leadership, who should, at this point surrender.

This is, a given.

. . . but where could they protest at this point, with out being slaughtered like sheep?

There's no difference between Palestinians and Hamas, since Hamas is also made up of far more radical Palestinians. There are also more non-Hamas Palestinians than there were Hamas. Non-Hamas Palestinians could have very well have taken up arms against the violent elements residing in Gaza, but they didn't. It's not like there's a shortage of guns in the Middle East.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So? You didn't bother to read the article, which linked you to the related UN material?

". . . However, the court found that “exceptionally grave” recent developments, including “at least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration… constitute a change in the situation.”

Underscoring the severity of the crisis, a 5-year-old boy, identified by Al Jazeera as Mohammed Naeem al-Najar, died of malnutrition Thursday at Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza.

This, as Israel is blocking UNRWA aid convoys from entering the northern part of the besieged strip.

The U.N. Human Rights Council on Monday published a draft report that found “reasonable grounds to believe” that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, a move that came on the same day as the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution demanding an immediate cease-fire in the ongoing war, a move enabled by a U.S. abstention.

More than 30 nations, as well as the Arab League, African Union, and other international organizations, have joined South Africa’s ICJ suit.

On Wednesday, Ireland said it would intervene in the case after observing “blatant violation of international humanitarian law on a mass scale” by Israeli forces in Gaza. . . "

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf

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And the Court did not find any evidence of genocide.

Try to stay informed.

 

[MisterBeale]

There's no difference between Palestinians and Hamas, since Hamas is also made up of far more radical Palestinians. There are also more non-Hamas Palestinians than there were Hamas. Non-Hamas Palestinians could have very well have taken up arms against the violent elements residing in Gaza, but they didn't. It's not like there's a shortage of guns in the Middle East.

I have no idea how you have come to this conclusion. None.

This would be like someone saying that you are a democrat, and if you don't take up arms against democrats in power, then you are guilty of any of the war crimes they commit.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I have no idea how you have come to this conclusion. None.

This would be like someone saying that you are a democrat, and if you don't take up arms against democrats in power, then you are guilty of any of the war crimes they commit.

How can you possibly have "no idea" what he meant? Do you read nothing but anti Israel propaganda?

Majority of Palestinians Still Support Oct. 7 Massacre, Want Hamas to Control Gaza After War: Poll​

The vast majority of Palestinians still support Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre across southern Israel and don’t believe the terror group engaged in war crimes during its invasion of the Jewish state that left 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostage, according to new polling.

The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) on Wednesday released its latest poll about Palestinian attitudes toward Hamas, the Oct. 7 atrocities, and the ongoing war in Gaza as a whole.

It found that 71% of Palestinians believe Hamas’ decision to launch an offensive against Israel on Oct. 7 was “correct.”

Among those who live in Hamas-ruled Gaza, support for the Oct. 7 attack rose from 57 percent in December to 71 percent this month. Among those who live in the West Bank, support dropped from 82 percent to 71 percent over the same period. Palestinians saw the decision to invade Israel and massacre civilians as correct even though it precipitated a war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, created a humanitarian crisis in the coastal enclave, and did not draw other Arab states or groups into all-out war with Israel.

Majority of Palestinians Still Support Oct. 7 Massacre, Want Hamas to Control Gaza After War: Poll - Algemeiner.com

The vast majority of Palestinians still support Hamas' Oct. 7 massacre across southern Israel and don't believe the terror group engaged in war crimes during its invasion of the Jewish state that left 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostage, according to new polling. The Palestinian...

www.algemeiner.com

That means that nearly three out of four Palestinians are of one mind with Hamas regarding Israel and support the rape, torture and murder of Israelis with such passion they are willing to sacrifice their children to this end.

 

[MisterBeale]

How can you possibly have "no idea" what he meant? Do you read nothing but anti Israel propaganda?

Majority of Palestinians Still Support Oct. 7 Massacre, Want Hamas to Control Gaza After War: Poll​

The vast majority of Palestinians still support Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre across southern Israel and don’t believe the terror group engaged in war crimes during its invasion of the Jewish state that left 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostage, according to new polling.

The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) on Wednesday released its latest poll about Palestinian attitudes toward Hamas, the Oct. 7 atrocities, and the ongoing war in Gaza as a whole.

It found that 71% of Palestinians believe Hamas’ decision to launch an offensive against Israel on Oct. 7 was “correct.”

Among those who live in Hamas-ruled Gaza, support for the Oct. 7 attack rose from 57 percent in December to 71 percent this month. Among those who live in the West Bank, support dropped from 82 percent to 71 percent over the same period. Palestinians saw the decision to invade Israel and massacre civilians as correct even though it precipitated a war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza, created a humanitarian crisis in the coastal enclave, and did not draw other Arab states or groups into all-out war with Israel.

Majority of Palestinians Still Support Oct. 7 Massacre, Want Hamas to Control Gaza After War: Poll - Algemeiner.com

The vast majority of Palestinians still support Hamas' Oct. 7 massacre across southern Israel and don't believe the terror group engaged in war crimes during its invasion of the Jewish state that left 1,200 people dead and more than 250 taken hostage, according to new polling. The Palestinian...

www.algemeiner.com

That means that nearly three out of four Palestinians are of one mind with Hamas regarding Israel and support the rape, torture and murder of Israelis with such passion they are willing to sacrifice their children to this end.

"The Center is a member of the Network of Democracy Research Institutes of the World Movement for Democracy."

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

"The Washington, DC-based National Endowment for Democracy (NED) initiated this nongovernmental effort with a global Assembly in New Delhi, India, in February 1999 "to strengthen democracy where it is weak, to reform and invigorate democracy even where it is longstanding, and to bolster pro-democracy groups in countries that have not yet entered into a process of democratic transition."

World Movement for Democracy - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

The National Endowment for “Democracy”: A Second CIA​

The National Endowment For “Democracy”: A Second CIA| Countercurrents

Paradigm for peace applied to Russia, Ukraine and the US: Proposal for a peaceful Pathway forward

countercurrents.org

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy​

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy – William Blum

How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The NED was set up in the early 1980s under Pres...

williamblum.org

". . . Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name – The National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.

It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations, and of cynicism.

Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to “support democratic institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts”. Notice the “nongovernmental” – part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its funding comes from the federal government, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (Non-governmental organization) because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might not have. But NGO is the wrong category. NED is a GO.

“We should not have to do this kind of work covertly,” said Carl Gershman in 1986, while he was president of the Endowment. “It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the C.I.A. We saw that in the 60’s, and that’s why it has been discontinued. We have not had the capability of doing this, and that’s why the endowment was created.”

 

[Oddball]

ICJ Issues New Order in Genocide Case Against Israel

The World Court cited "exceptionally grave" developments, especially the "spread of famine and starvation," in once again ordering Israel to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza. By Brett Wilkins Common Dreams Citing "the worsening conditions of life faced by Palestinians in Gaza, in particular t

consortiumnews.com

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https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240328-ord-01-00-en.pdf

War is hell.

 

[toomuchtime_]

"The Center is a member of the Network of Democracy Research Institutes of the World Movement for Democracy."

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.p...n/node/969nter_for_Policy_and_Survey_Research

"The Washington, DC-based National Endowment for Democracy (NED) initiated this nongovernmental effort with a global Assembly in New Delhi, India, in February 1999 "to strengthen democracy where it is weak, to reform and invigorate democracy even where it is longstanding, and to bolster pro-democracy groups in countries that have not yet entered into a process of democratic transition."

World Movement for Democracy - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

The National Endowment for “Democracy”: A Second CIA​

The National Endowment For “Democracy”: A Second CIA| Countercurrents

Paradigm for peace applied to Russia, Ukraine and the US: Proposal for a peaceful Pathway forward

countercurrents.org

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy​

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy – William Blum

How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The NED was set up in the early 1980s under Pres...

williamblum.org

". . . Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not. What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding name – The National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities.

It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations, and of cynicism.

Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to “support democratic institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts”. Notice the “nongovernmental” – part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its funding comes from the federal government, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (Non-governmental organization) because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might not have. But NGO is the wrong category. NED is a GO.

“We should not have to do this kind of work covertly,” said Carl Gershman in 1986, while he was president of the Endowment. “It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the C.I.A. We saw that in the 60’s, and that’s why it has been discontinued. We have not had the capability of doing this, and that’s why the endowment was created.”

The Center is located in Ramallah and has been publishing these surveys since the mid 1990's and its only connection to the US organizations you named is that it may have accepted one grant from Network of Democracy Research Institutes of the World Movement for Democracy in 2006. The problem you are having now is that the Palestinians are not ashamed of their support of Hamas,

 

[MisterBeale]

The problem you are having now is that the Palestinians are not ashamed of their support of Hamas,

I have no problem, none at all.

I was just pointing out who funds them.

Folks don't work. . . .

 

[toomuchtime_]

I have no problem, none at all.

I was just pointing out who funds them.

Folks don't work. . . .

No you were offering a conspiracy theory about who funds them.