US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[braalian]

One will simply have to work a lot, lot more hours in the near future. Prices of things are not coming down and wages aren't going up nearly enough.

Or, learn how to budget and live within their means

 

[initforme]

Or, learn how to budget and live within their means

Hard to do that when wages are lagging like they are today, yet the prices of necessities is rising a lot faster.

 

[initforme]

OR, we could choose policies that lead to a long term trend of wages rising faster than inflation.

Huge lift the way things are going. Admirable thinking though.

 

[braalian]

Hard to do that when wages are lagging like they are today, yet the prices of necessities is rising a lot faster.

By definition, budgeting isn’t easy

And you’re overstating the gap between inflation and wages

Wages haven’t kept up, but it’s been pretty close

 

[initforme]

Or, learn how to budget and live within their means

Most are doing that now. And many of those are foregoing kids.

 

[initforme]

By definition, budgeting isn’t easy

And you’re overstating the gap between inflation and wages

Wages haven’t kept up, but it’s been pretty close

Budgeting with not enough money to make ends meet while still living weekly is difficult, yes.

 

[initforme]

By definition, budgeting isn’t easy

And you’re overstating the gap between inflation and wages

Wages haven’t kept up, but it’s been pretty close

People are also budgeting by not adding mouths to feed to their households.

 

[Correll]

Huge lift the way things are going. Admirable thinking though.

Not really. Just shift things a few points.

At one point in my life, I had TWO women in my circle who were nurse's aides.

One in a big city with a "diverse" workforce containing a lot of third world immigrants. ONe in a much smaller city with a much whiter demographic.

THe second one was making, if I recall correctly about 3 dollars an hour more.

And that was enough to make the difference between poverty and working poor, ie able to help support her family in the basics.


This pretense that this is impossible, is just you, on some level, realizing that your position of not even trying, is not really defensible.

 

[Woodznutz]

Your economic fantasies set aside....
Food requires more than just farmers to produce consumable food.

You don't eat food straight out of a garden for over 90% of your daily cleric intake. NOBODY IN THE WORLD DOES.

Food requires processing....from butchers, miller's, bakers, and all the rest of it. You require processing for your food. Food shelves in the grocery store requires several storage warehouses and deliveries to these warehouses (logistics) for both Food processing and distribution. And even stocking your shelves requires young people.

The logistics for medicines is even more complicated requiring lots of young people.

Police, fire, hospital nurses, and etc all require young people....

NOT GERIATRICS.

When young people, physically fit and capable become extinct due to a lack of babies...

There is no more nation....and the end is disastrous and torturous for everyone.

Some small but important nation like South Korea? The world will definitely feel it when they collapse (they are going first)
Where you think automation is going supply the labor needs....ummmm....who installs it? Who maintains it? And much of this stuff is not possible for robots to perform. Requiring thousands of hours of someone directing how inputs are perceived by code that AI literally cannot write. (Otherwise it would have already)

When the USA goes it will be globally catastrophic.
However....the USA might not be first.
Might be CCP. They have been lying about their fertility rates for decades.

Russia is definitely going to go before CCP....(men got killed)

Africa, India, Somolia, and Pakistanis (the inbred nations) are what is going to become the dominant numbers....all with below 60 IQs. ...
Barely above animals and will take what they want in an animalistic fashion.

We either have babies or the slow torture to death of everyone currently alive begins. (Including you....and it's going to be painful torture).

There will be plenty of workers for necessary products and services. A lot of the 'fluff' might disappear, however. Women might not need as much closet space.

 

[initforme]

Not really. Just shift things a few points.

At one point in my life, I had TWO women in my circle who were nurse's aides.

One in a big city with a "diverse" workforce containing a lot of third world immigrants. ONe in a much smaller city with a much whiter demographic.

THe second one was making, if I recall correctly about 3 dollars an hour more.

And that was enough to make the difference between poverty and working poor, ie able to help support her family in the basics.


This pretense that this is impossible, is just you, on some level, realizing that your position of not even trying, is not really defensible.

How about bringing back unions too?

 

[JohnDB]

Can someone please describe to me how this “crisis” has affected your life in any way, shape or form?

Be specific.

I’ll wait.

Currently the entire low skill, low wage labor POOL, customarily filled by teenagers in school.....is EMPTY.

This is Currently preventing and limiting economic activity.

Meaning.....if someone wants to open a bakery or a hamburger stand they cannot....no labor is available to staff the places.
This is happening all across America....keeping the economy in the dumpster as small businesses are always the means we come out of economic difficulties.

This also keeps the younger generation from their earning potential....because it lowers overall wages. (Less economic activity and development means lower available jobs resulting in low wages)

So....yes....it is and has been directly affecting you.

 

[Woodznutz]

Currently, unless something drastic is done....it's doom and gloom.


We, as a nation, must create a baby and nuclear family with childen focused culture...meaning every aspect of modern society needs to make this an idealized goal.

Everything from tax incentives, subsidies, and good citizen awards we need babies...

So many babies it looks like we have a plague of them like locusts.
Of COURSE work from home is a norm for office workers.

We expect to be able to see babies everywhere in society.....from grocery stores. On hips, arms, backpacks, carriers, and strollers and let's not forget my personal favorite...the leash.

Antibiotics, food availability, vaccines all contributed to overall low child mortality which has dropped the fertility rate drastically....you had 5 kids and expected 2 to survive. (Smallpox, measles, polio, whooping cough/pneumonia, diphtheria and even tooth infections killed many children)

Nevermind all the accidents that shortened children's lives.....

Parents died too....and if you were an orphan life was tough. Lucky kids went to orphanages....but it was more common to get jobs.....despite schools being free. Many children had workplace accidents. No one to tell "sorry" to either.

Today things are drastically different....
But to foster a replacement rate with fertility....we need to have some drastic changes in our culture or else Ethiopians or inbred Pakistanis are going to take our homes and lives.

Most of

Currently the entire low skill, low wage labor POOL, customarily filled by teenagers in school.....is EMPTY.

This is Currently preventing and limiting economic activity.

Meaning.....if someone wants to open a bakery or a hamburger stand they cannot....no labor is available to staff the places.
This is happening all across America....keeping the economy in the dumpster as small businesses are always the means we come out of economic difficulties.

This also keeps the younger generation from their earning potential....because it lowers overall wages. (Less economic activity and development means lower available jobs resulting in low wages)

So....yes....it is and has been directly affecting you.

We need to go back to the time when American teenagers worked part time and college kids worked summers. Of course that would mean massive deportation of aliens, and ending the student loan programs. The question is, can we return to sanity?

 

[Woodznutz]

Hard to do that when wages are lagging like they are today, yet the prices of necessities is rising a lot faster.

Wages aren't lagging. We just have too many shiny things to spend our money on.

 

[initforme]

Most of

We need to go back to the time when American teenagers worked part time and college kids worked summers. Of course that would mean massive deportation of aliens, and ending the student loan programs. The question is, can we return to sanity?

If those jobs are so important then why not hire adults to do them?

 

[initforme]

Wages aren't lagging. We just have too many shiny things to spend our money on.

Respectfully disagree.

 

[Woodznutz]

If those jobs are so important then why not hire adults to do them?

Adults are doing them now. Grocery store shelves are done by adult "night stockers", work that used to be done by high school kids after school and Saturdays (been there, done that). Fast food places are staffed almost entirely by immigrants. Even teachers had summer jobs. My science teacher worked for a landscaping company. My history teacher worked for the city as a lake safety officer.

Many teens now spend their summers as roving feral gangs.

 

[Woodznutz]

Respectfully disagree.

Of course there's more to it. The 'supply and demand' cycle is backward. Supply has replaced demand.

 

[JohnDB]

There's more than one chart showing how each successive generation is earning less and less....

 

[Woodznutz]

There's more than one chart showing how each successive generation is earning less and less....

That's a measure of the oversupply of labor (mostly immigrant labor).

 

[braalian]

Currently the entire low skill, low wage labor POOL, customarily filled by teenagers in school.....is EMPTY.

Yeah but it has more to do with teenagers choosing not to get jobs than it does with there not being “enough” of them

Two completely different issues