Unpatriotic Dems In Virginia Erases Confederate Holiday

[Correll]

1. Our commitment to equality has never been stronger.

2. Southern whites have the same right to celebrate their heritage as any other group.

And your southern white heritage consists of what exactly? You talk ABOUT it but never define what it consists of......how about doing that now for us.

Because it doesn't matter to either of us.


You oppose having Southern Whites have any pride in their heritage, regardless of the details,

I oppose my tax dollars going to racist traitors.

while I support them having that right, regardless of what the details.



If neither one of us cares, then trying to change the subject to that, is just you running away from the point, ie that your lib position is based on anti-white racism.

You're argument holds no water for the simple fact many SOUTHERN WHITES want those statues and monuments gone.

That some guilt ridden white morons agree with you, does not change that fact that your position is based on racism.

My opinion in your dumb ass mind is based on racism, but here you are defending racist traitors. Go figure.

YOur inability to honestly state my position, after all this time, is just you being dishonest, because you know that you cannot win the debate honestly.


1. I am here defending the rights of southerners to celebrate their regional culture and heritage.

2. YOur sides opposition to that, is based on treating their culture and heritage differently than you treat non-white groups' cultures and heritages. That makes your opposition racist.



That you justify your opposition, because there was racism in the heritage that the southerners want to celebrate, does not justify your opposition, nor negate your racism.

 

[Correll]

That heritage was built on ensuring that there is a class of citizens inferior to you

At least you seem to know something about "southern white heritage"......that's more than what that other poster seems to know.

Did that supposed "Detail" change a thing in your mind or your position?

Still waiting for you to explain how southern whites intend to celebrate their culture/heritage.

Are you too stupid to have noticed that I have repeatedly explained to you, that I dont' care HOW, they do it, that my concern is that they have the RIGHT to do it?

…..and we have a RIGHT to not want to have a tax dollars pay for monuments and statures that honor racist traitors.

The obvious conflict between the two rights should have been discussed, before we embarked on the policies that have led to demographic shift.

Unfortunately your side lied about what would happen. So, there was no such discussion and thus no informed decision making. Your side perpetuated a lie upon the American public.


But, the point now is, that your side, has no intent of living with US, and our cultures, in tolerance and harmony.

 

[Correll]

I care a lot, about them having their rights. I care none at all, about the details of how they choose to exercise them.

You too. IN that you want to deprive them of their rights.

I'm happy to keep pointing out how stupid you are being.

So...they could celebrate by lynchings, by beating up minorities, by dressing in white sheets and you would "care none at all".......INTERESTING......very very INTERESTING.

They could always celebrate their southern heritage by spitting on black people sitting at lunch counters and bombing a few black churches

Or just having a state holiday. Oh, wait, you took that away from them. What will you take next?

How very horrible.....the state holiday is gone.....the state holiday to do what again? How is that heritage celebrated again? Can you tell us?

Looks to me like that state holiday was celebrating a war, not a "heritage".

You can't build a "heritage" in four years.

Your perception is noted. So, what other groups, do you judge their celebrations, and whether or not they are valid?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Give us examples of that so called extra help or hell anything he has done for the benefit of black folks.


I know we have always done that, it NEVER really happens.


You back up your claim, what has the Republican party done for black folks in this country in the last 40yrs. Please enlighten us all.

1. In his State of the Union Address he singled out a little black girl to give her a scholarship. Though the program that it is though it not expressly stated as being targeted at blacks, the symbolic gesture is quite strong. A "DOG WHISTLE" is you will.

Whoop dee do, how many black kids does Lebron give a scholarship to each year.

2. Your claim is just a lie based on hysteria generated by people like you.

The liar is you.

3. Too much too list. How about the Lowest rate of Black Unemployment ever? That is pretty good. Accept that, and I can give you another.

You mean the one that started under Pres Obama that Trump takes credit for.

Nothing here you said, supports your claim that Trump has changed anything. He still supports the national consensus on equality for blacks and giving them shit, that has existed since your side gave up on JIm Crow.

First of all I don't have a side and it's amazing that you can't tell me ALL the great things Trump has done for black folks other than things that started long before he took office.

.

1. Your claim that you don't have a side, is laughable. Consider that claim, and you, laughed at. lol

Really, what exactly is MY side?

2. The claim was made by your side that Trump has somehow changed national policy for blacks in this country. I just pointed out that that was not true. That was my point. Do you want to address that, or not?

I asked you for a list of all the GREAT things you claim Trump has done for black folks in this country and you said low unemployment. Well that claim was shot out the water and now you haven't said shit since.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

And your southern white heritage consists of what exactly? You talk ABOUT it but never define what it consists of......how about doing that now for us.

Because it doesn't matter to either of us.


You oppose having Southern Whites have any pride in their heritage, regardless of the details,

I oppose my tax dollars going to racist traitors.

while I support them having that right, regardless of what the details.



If neither one of us cares, then trying to change the subject to that, is just you running away from the point, ie that your lib position is based on anti-white racism.

You're argument holds no water for the simple fact many SOUTHERN WHITES want those statues and monuments gone.

That some guilt ridden white morons agree with you, does not change that fact that your position is based on racism.

My opinion in your dumb ass mind is based on racism, but here you are defending racist traitors. Go figure.

YOur inability to honestly state my position, after all this time, is just you being dishonest, because you know that you cannot win the debate honestly.

Your position is you are trying to defend racist traitors.

1. I am here defending the rights of southerners to celebrate their regional culture and heritage.

No one has a problem with them celebrating their regional culture and heritage.

2. YOur sides opposition to that, is based on treating their culture and heritage differently than you treat non-white groups' cultures and heritages. That makes your opposition racist.

My so called side's opposition is not spending my tax dollars to pay for statues and monuments that honor folks who enslaved, maimed, raped, brutalized and lynched black folks.

That you justify your opposition, because there was racism in the heritage that the southerners want to celebrate, does not justify your opposition, nor negate your racism.

Please tell me how many Jewish folks pay for statues and monuments that honor Nazis.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

So...they could celebrate by lynchings, by beating up minorities, by dressing in white sheets and you would "care none at all".......INTERESTING......very very INTERESTING.

They could always celebrate their southern heritage by spitting on black people sitting at lunch counters and bombing a few black churches

Or just having a state holiday. Oh, wait, you took that away from them. What will you take next?

How very horrible.....the state holiday is gone.....the state holiday to do what again? How is that heritage celebrated again? Can you tell us?

Looks to me like that state holiday was celebrating a war, not a "heritage".

You can't build a "heritage" in four years.

Your perception is noted. So, what other groups, do you judge their celebrations, and whether or not they are valid?

Tell us what other groups have murdered, raped, maimed, etc. another group of people and then expect those folks to pay for statues and monuments honoring them. Please tell me.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Just to recap...….Robert E Lee is against confederate statues -- and I am sure he would have been against Cory L and his confederate porn holiday being state endorsed...…

I am guessing this is probably because, Lee knew -- his side lost.....doubt if the Confederacy had won, they would be too keen on having statues of Lincoln and Douglass and honoring Harriet Tubman either....You know Frederick Douglass right? -- he was on the side that was fighting AGAINST slavery....but yo goofy ass whining about a state not endorsing a holiday to honor traitors..

 

[rightwinger]

Are you too stupid to have noticed that I have repeatedly explained to you, that I dont' care HOW, they do it, that my concern is that they have the RIGHT to do it?

I can tell how little you care....HOW many posts have you made in this thread showing how little you care?

I care a lot, about them having their rights. I care none at all, about the details of how they choose to exercise them.


You too. IN that you want to deprive them of their rights.



I'm happy to keep pointing out how stupid you are being.

So...they could celebrate by lynchings, by beating up minorities, by dressing in white sheets and you would "care none at all".......INTERESTING......very very INTERESTING.

They could always celebrate their southern heritage by spitting on black people sitting at lunch counters and bombing a few black churches

Or perhaps this: View attachment 308844 View attachment 308845 Definitely a longer portion of the Southern heritage/culture than a 4 year long ass-kicking (war).

Many in the South want to move past their history of racism and segregation.

People like Correll don’t want to let them.

 

[rightwinger]

They could always celebrate their southern heritage by spitting on black people sitting at lunch counters and bombing a few black churches

Or just having a state holiday. Oh, wait, you took that away from them. What will you take next?

How very horrible.....the state holiday is gone.....the state holiday to do what again? How is that heritage celebrated again? Can you tell us?

Looks to me like that state holiday was celebrating a war, not a "heritage".

You can't build a "heritage" in four years.

Your perception is noted. So, what other groups, do you judge their celebrations, and whether or not they are valid?

Tell us what other groups have murdered, raped, maimed, etc. another group of people and then expect those folks to pay for statues and monuments honoring them. Please tell me.

That is the key
The Confederacy was not a bunch of generals on horseback with their swords raised high. The Confederacy was 40 percent slave. Nobody asked that 40 percent what they thought of celebrating the Confederacy, they were told to shut up.

Now, the majority is uncomfortable about celebrating what the Confederacy stood for and the minority is not happy.

 

[rightwinger]

Are you too stupid to have noticed that I have repeatedly explained to you, that I dont' care HOW, they do it, that my concern is that they have the RIGHT to do it?

I can tell how little you care....HOW many posts have you made in this thread showing how little you care?

I care a lot, about them having their rights. I care none at all, about the details of how they choose to exercise them.


You too. IN that you want to deprive them of their rights.



I'm happy to keep pointing out how stupid you are being.

So...they could celebrate by lynchings, by beating up minorities, by dressing in white sheets and you would "care none at all".......INTERESTING......very very INTERESTING.

They could always celebrate their southern heritage by spitting on black people sitting at lunch counters and bombing a few black churches

Or just having a state holiday. Oh, wait, you took that away from them. What will you take next?

Yes...A STATE holiday
Not a bunch of independent citizens celebrating as they wish, but a small minority demanding everyone in the state celebrate.

 

[Ame®icano]

If it was never political issue, how do you explain that ALL racist Jim Crow laws, were voted for by Democrat legislators, signed by Democrat governor, upheld by Democrat judges, and enforced by Democrat sheriffs and police?

I don't know that "ALL" were. Got a link?

Here may be a shortcut --- were they all in the South?

And if they were, how do you explain the segregation that the Great Migration experienced in northern industrial cities like Chicago and Detroit and St.Louis? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That's a social construct, that's why.

See also the CRA 64 figures, which we've posted over and over and over and over, the numbers therein never changing.

When segregation started, who promoted it, and who was in power when it was implemented?

 

[rightwinger]

If it was never political issue, how do you explain that ALL racist Jim Crow laws, were voted for by Democrat legislators, signed by Democrat governor, upheld by Democrat judges, and enforced by Democrat sheriffs and police?

I don't know that "ALL" were. Got a link?

Here may be a shortcut --- were they all in the South?

And if they were, how do you explain the segregation that the Great Migration experienced in northern industrial cities like Chicago and Detroit and St.Louis? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That's a social construct, that's why.

See also the CRA 64 figures, which we've posted over and over and over and over, the numbers therein never changing.

When segregation started, who promoted it, and who was in power when it was implemented?

It was people in the south

 

[Ame®icano]

If is not political, how do you explain that out of 100 grand wizards and dragons of KKK, every single one was a Democrat, with exception of Duke, who was Democrat, then Republican.

Again, that's absolute bullshit. Again, got a link? A list of these "100"? I'm not aware there were "100", where did you pull that from?

No, they were not 100 grand wizards and dragons, but you know what I meant, top people in their hierarchy.

Again, the six ex-soldiers who founded the first KKK had no political party (and no political agenda either); again the guy who re-founded it in 1915 also had no known political party or agenda. Now some historians will point to a Samuel Green who at least intended to re-start the Klan in 1949, which would have been a third Klan -- happily he keeled over from a heart attack and died before he could do it, but again --- Green too had no known political party or agenda. These guys all had social issues in mind, not political ones. Prohibition. Immigrants. Loose women. Uppity negroes. Uppity Jews. Uppity Catholics. Gamblers. Ramblers. Debtors. Furriners. Liberals. Labor unions. People who didn't go to church.

You lefties are good at stating a half truth. You always state a fact, then mix it with little bit of insinuation, and by the end of sentence it finishes with a blatant lie. Then you claim all you said is truth.

Nope, it's half truth.

Those six ex-soldiers were all... wait for it... ex-confederate soldiers.
Who were their target? Given that they were raiding, intimidating, destroying properties and attacking blacks, and white Republicans as well, how did you came to conclusion they had no political party? Publicly no, but everything they did was in sync with most of policies of Democrats, hey you said it yourself: "Uppity negroes. Uppity Jews. Uppity Catholics..."
In Southern states Republicans who were in small numbers had to organize militias to defend from KKK and to break them up. Have Democrats ever needed any defending against KKK? No. Do you know why?

 

[Ame®icano]

1. Our commitment to equality has never been stronger.

2. Southern whites have the same right to celebrate their heritage as any other group.

They have no right to force their heritage of hate on to others
Why aren’t they celebrating the good ole days of Jim Crow?
They could have a day where everything is segregated and they beat blacks for being uppity

I see what you did there.

You made a strawman about what they are doing. THen you supported it, by saying inflammatory shit.


That, ironically, is demagoguery.


You lose.

Isn’t Jim Crow part of Southern heritage?

Why celebrate Confederate slavery and not Jim Crow segregation?

They are not celebrating confedeate slavery, but confederate soldiers.


Every other group, you allow to celebrate some portions of their heritage. But not whites.


You have a different standard for whites. Based on race.


You treat people differently, depending on their race.


You are a racist.

Nazis were white

You sure about that?

There were plenty of minorities in Nazi armies, including blacks, Arabs, especially in conquered territories.

Since you're "educated" you probably read books, do ya? Here are few recommendations.

Weronika Kuzniar: Warwolves of the Iron Cross
Veronica Clark: Black Nazis

 

[Ame®icano]

You notice how the right wing loves to try and take credit for Civil Rights legislation, but today they are the party that is anti-minority.

Also it is the right wing who want to honor and defend the very Democrats that they claim were racist.

Don’t see many Democrats fighting for Confederate heritage.

Correct. You switched your target for your racism. Before you used to discriminate against and oppress blacks, and today it is whites.

Your still the party of racism and assholes, but you just lost the last battle and now have switched sides, on whom you are being racist to.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you continue to unabashedly wallow in ignorance about your own terms.

Racism, like slavery, like lynchings and the whole orgy of related shit Amurkycan't-do tried to fling against the wall above, IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN a political issue. It's a social construct. No one, literally zero people, in the history of the world, has ever needed a political party, or any interest in politics at all, to practice racism, discrimination, slavery, lynchings, etc etc etc. Literally never happened. Ever full stop. Desperate flailing attempts to attach personality traits to political parties demonstrates not only an addiction to generalization fallacy but a direct admission that you don't have the foggiest clue what you're babbling about.

If it was never political issue, how do you explain that ALL racist Jim Crow laws, were voted for by Democrat legislators, signed by Democrat governor, upheld by Democrat judges, and enforced by Democrat sheriffs and police? Why is it that all those racist, after Civil War, for another 100 years wound home in Democratic party? If is not political, how do you explain that out of 100 grand wizards and dragons of KKK, every single one was a Democrat, with exception of Duke, who was Democrat, then Republican. You lefties always mention him as example, because he is ONLY example, while hiding every other one who stayed in Democrat party for life. Refute this, you lying asshole.

Wasn't it a Democrat president that signed all of that away.

You mean one that repeatedly voted against it, before he was for it?

 

[Ame®icano]

and it's "you're", not "your".

"Its", not "it's".

Ohio Bored of Education.

"bored"?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Don’t see many Democrats fighting for Confederate heritage.

Correct. You switched your target for your racism. Before you used to discriminate against and oppress blacks, and today it is whites.

Your still the party of racism and assholes, but you just lost the last battle and now have switched sides, on whom you are being racist to.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you continue to unabashedly wallow in ignorance about your own terms.

Racism, like slavery, like lynchings and the whole orgy of related shit Amurkycan't-do tried to fling against the wall above, IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN a political issue. It's a social construct. No one, literally zero people, in the history of the world, has ever needed a political party, or any interest in politics at all, to practice racism, discrimination, slavery, lynchings, etc etc etc. Literally never happened. Ever full stop. Desperate flailing attempts to attach personality traits to political parties demonstrates not only an addiction to generalization fallacy but a direct admission that you don't have the foggiest clue what you're babbling about.

If it was never political issue, how do you explain that ALL racist Jim Crow laws, were voted for by Democrat legislators, signed by Democrat governor, upheld by Democrat judges, and enforced by Democrat sheriffs and police? Why is it that all those racist, after Civil War, for another 100 years wound home in Democratic party? If is not political, how do you explain that out of 100 grand wizards and dragons of KKK, every single one was a Democrat, with exception of Duke, who was Democrat, then Republican. You lefties always mention him as example, because he is ONLY example, while hiding every other one who stayed in Democrat party for life. Refute this, you lying asshole.

Wasn't it a Democrat president that signed all of that away.

You mean one that repeatedly voted against it, before he was for it?

How many were willing to sign before he did?

 

[rightwinger]

They have no right to force their heritage of hate on to others
Why aren’t they celebrating the good ole days of Jim Crow?
They could have a day where everything is segregated and they beat blacks for being uppity

I see what you did there.

You made a strawman about what they are doing. THen you supported it, by saying inflammatory shit.


That, ironically, is demagoguery.


You lose.

Isn’t Jim Crow part of Southern heritage?

Why celebrate Confederate slavery and not Jim Crow segregation?

They are not celebrating confedeate slavery, but confederate soldiers.


Every other group, you allow to celebrate some portions of their heritage. But not whites.


You have a different standard for whites. Based on race.


You treat people differently, depending on their race.


You are a racist.

Nazis were white

You sure about that?

There were plenty of minorities in Nazi armies, including blacks, Arabs, especially in conquered territories.

Since you're "educated" you probably read books, do ya? Here are few recommendations.

Weronika Kuzniar: Warwolves of the Iron Cross
Veronica Clark: Black Nazis

Give me numbers

 

[Ame®icano]

If it was never political issue, how do you explain that ALL racist Jim Crow laws, were voted for by Democrat legislators, signed by Democrat governor, upheld by Democrat judges, and enforced by Democrat sheriffs and police?

I don't know that "ALL" were. Got a link?

Here may be a shortcut --- were they all in the South?

And if they were, how do you explain the segregation that the Great Migration experienced in northern industrial cities like Chicago and Detroit and St.Louis? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That's a social construct, that's why.

See also the CRA 64 figures, which we've posted over and over and over and over, the numbers therein never changing.

When segregation started, who promoted it, and who was in power when it was implemented?

It was people in the south

People don't write laws.

 

[Ame®icano]

Correct. You switched your target for your racism. Before you used to discriminate against and oppress blacks, and today it is whites.

Your still the party of racism and assholes, but you just lost the last battle and now have switched sides, on whom you are being racist to.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you continue to unabashedly wallow in ignorance about your own terms.

Racism, like slavery, like lynchings and the whole orgy of related shit Amurkycan't-do tried to fling against the wall above, IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN a political issue. It's a social construct. No one, literally zero people, in the history of the world, has ever needed a political party, or any interest in politics at all, to practice racism, discrimination, slavery, lynchings, etc etc etc. Literally never happened. Ever full stop. Desperate flailing attempts to attach personality traits to political parties demonstrates not only an addiction to generalization fallacy but a direct admission that you don't have the foggiest clue what you're babbling about.

If it was never political issue, how do you explain that ALL racist Jim Crow laws, were voted for by Democrat legislators, signed by Democrat governor, upheld by Democrat judges, and enforced by Democrat sheriffs and police? Why is it that all those racist, after Civil War, for another 100 years wound home in Democratic party? If is not political, how do you explain that out of 100 grand wizards and dragons of KKK, every single one was a Democrat, with exception of Duke, who was Democrat, then Republican. You lefties always mention him as example, because he is ONLY example, while hiding every other one who stayed in Democrat party for life. Refute this, you lying asshole.

Wasn't it a Democrat president that signed all of that away.

You mean one that repeatedly voted against it, before he was for it?

How many were willing to sign before he did?

How many had chance to sign it?