UNICEF: Thousands of Gaza Children Getting Amputations without Pain Killers, Record Numbers

[Sherlock Holmes]

Reread my post.

I just did, it doesn't say what the subject is of the adjective "impossible".

 

[Mac-7]

Gaza medics protest Israel controls on medical imports

That article is from Jan 2023, ten months before Oct 7th.

Yes they did smuggle weapons and yes they did smuggle medical supplies - how else could they get them?

Your link is about x-ray machines not medicine like aspirin

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

There are many in this forum posting about Israel/Hamas. But there is clearly huge ignorance, it is clear that for many people the first they have ever really heard about the eighty year old conflict is the Oct 7th attack by Hamas. The actually have no idea what's been going on in the region since the first world war.

Rather than retain an open mind, educate themselves, ask questions and so on, they embrace the ready made Zionist narrative that's parroted by the media and then incredibly attack the victims and defend the criminals.

From there on everything they see and hear is shoe horned into this cowboys and Indians narrative, the narrative itself cannot be questioned, cannot be doubted, that's what indoctrination does to people.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Your link is about x-ray machines not medicine like aspirin

Yes, my apologies, please see this follow up post.

 

[USAF 2023]

This is all the fault of Hamas and the Palestinian people for voting in Hamas and supporting October 7th. They thirst for violence and then whine when they get it. I have grown bored of this pattern. They get what they get now. No sympathy.

Should have thought of three possible consequences before 10/7 Even now; why don’t they give up the hostages?

 

[Mac-7]

From me? what are you talking about?

Here's more proof of what I said to you: Israel continues to block passage of vital medical supplies to Gaza this too is from Feb 2023, months before the Oct 7th attack.

I already read it and it still focused in medical equipment

Nor did it say the x-ray machines were denied but merely delayed

This has affected, for example, the import of x-ray machines, calibration tools for mammograms, interventional catheters, digital video monitors, and mobile imaging units for general surgery and orthopaedics. All of these require Israeli permission to be released from suppliers in the West Bank and delivery to the Gaza Strip through the Israeli-controlled border.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I already read it and it still focused in medical equipment

Nor did it say the x-ray machines were denied but merely delayed

This has affected, for example, the import of x-ray machines, calibration tools for mammograms, interventional catheters, digital video monitors, and mobile imaging units for general surgery and orthopaedics. All of these require Israeli permission to be released from suppliers in the West Bank and delivery to the Gaza Strip through the Israeli-controlled border.

Well you missed this then (emphasis mine)

Historically, Israel has maintained a “controlled below needs” scarcity of medicines and laboratory supplies in Gaza, even when these have been donated charitably.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Should have thought of three possible consequences before 10/7 Even now; why don’t they give up the hostages?

They will, they offered to release every single hostage a few days after Oct 7th if Israel would release all Palestinian hostages, Israel refused and so here we are.

 

[USAF 2023]

They will, they offered to release every single hostage a few days after Oct 7th if Israel would release all Palestinian hostages, Israel refused and so here we are.

Those who have killed Israelis? You’re right., No deal They assured the fighting will continue ; Not Israel

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Those who have killed Israelis? You’re right., No deal They assured the fighting will continue ; Not Israel

Yes and that's why thousands of Israelis are protesting in the streets about the cavalier manner their loved ones have been treated by their own government.

The regime is insane, absolutely deranged. You can try to create a narrative where the Israelis are the "good guys" they are the "victims" but the more you study the facts and the history, the harder it becomes to do that, eventually most honest people come to see the lies, the indoctrination.

 

[Mac-7]

Well you missed this then (emphasis mine)

I did miss it and I hope its not true

But who knows?

Yes and that's why thousands of Israelis are protesting in the streets about the cavalier manner their loved ones have been treated by their own government. The regime is insane, absolutely deranged.

back to the lack of medical supplies

Hamas could purchase and smuggle rockets into GAZA but not pain killers?

Do you see the irony of that since the rockets started the war that is causing the need for medical supplies?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I did miss it and I hope its not true

But who knows?

back to the lack of medical supplies

Hamas could purchase and smuggle rockets into GAZA but not pain killers?

Do you see the irony of that since the rockets started the war that is causing the need for medical supplies?

If there was a policy of smuggling weapons in but refusing to smuggle medicines in then yes, I'd be disappointed, but until I see a reason to even consider the claim I'd need a reason to.

When did "the war" start? what source do you go to answer this question?

 

[Mac-7]

If there was a policy of smuggling weapons in but refusing to smuggle medicines in then yes, I'd be disappointed, but until I see a reason to even consider the claim I'd need a reason to.

When did "the war" start? what source do you go to answer this question?

They are smugglers

They can smuggle whatever is important to them

You can move a lot of medicine in the space consumed by one medium range rocket

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They are smugglers

Jews were smugglers in the Warsaw ghetto once.

They can smuggle whatever is important to them

Yes, I expect that's true - are you insinuating there has been no smuggling of medicines into Gaza?

You can move a lot of medicine in the space consumed by one medium range rocket

Yes I agree.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, I expect that's true - are you insinuating there has been no smuggling of medicines into Gaza?

Its the logical conclusion

Hamas has plenty of rockets but no medicine

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Its the logical conclusion

Hamas has plenty of rockets but no medicine

I don't know how you reached that conclusion but it doesn't matter. The demand for medicines in Gaza has ramped the past eight months so if it was already experiencing a “controlled below needs” scarcity before then, even with some smuggling that was going on with the tunnels, it will obviously be greater scarcity now with greatly reduced access to tunnels and tens of thousands of people injured.

The authorities in Gaza have every moral right to import weapons, just as Israel has a right to import (far more and far more deadly) weapons. As a people - Palestinians - they have the same rights and obligations as any other people under the laws defined in the UN charter.

This includes the right to self defense and if you try to argue "The 7th Oct attack was not self defense" then you'll be forced to admit (if you value consistency) that the ongoing bombardment of Gaza is also not self defense.

One can convince oneself that the Palestinians and Hamas are malevolent evildoers and the Zionist regime are benevolent victims, but to do so one must either lie to oneself or be highly selective with the facts of history.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

From me? what are you talking about?

Here's more proof of what I said to you: Israel continues to block passage of vital medical supplies to Gaza this too is from Feb 2023, months before the Oct 7th attack.

I’m sure Gaza could get medical supplies if they can get weapons. It’s about priorities.
And phonies who support Muslim mass-murderers.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I just did, it doesn't say what the subject is of the adjective "impossible".

Impossible is a Muslim as a human shield for an enemy of Muslims. Muslims kill their own.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Impossible is a Muslim as a human shield for an enemy of Muslims. Muslims kill their own.

Sorry to throw a wrench in your carefully crafted fantasy, but it is not only Muslims that have suffered under the brutality of Zionist xenophobia.

 

[Mac-7]

The authorities in Gaza have every moral right to import weapons, just as Israel has a right to import (far more and far more deadly) weapons. As a people - Palestinians - they have the same rights and obligations as any other people under the laws defined in the UN charter.

You want to split hairs over Hamas having a legal right to import rockets instead of pain killers for children’s surgery?

Sheesh!