Unemployment Numbers Released - Post Pandemic High Unemployment & Downward Revisions

[citygator]

No wonder Trump didn't release any economy statistics before the November off cycle elections. The results are terrible.

• Unemployment spikes to 4.6% - high since 2021 under Covid
• 105,000 jobs were LOST in October - the report Trump delayed
• A mere 64,000 were ADDED in November
• September and August job adds were REVISED DOWN by 30% - including August job loss revised to -26,000 jobs from -4,000
• The U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

The Trend under Trump has not been good. The Golden Age economy is more like the Golden Arches economy.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/jobs/jobs-report-october-november-2025-unemployment-economy-7f6eea90?mod=economy_lead_story

Job numbers for September and August were worse than previously reported. Some 108,000 jobs were added in September, lower than the 119,000 gain previously reported; 26,000 jobs were lost in August, instead of the previously estimated 4,000 decline.

Job losses in June, August and October mean the U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

Overall, economists describe the current labor market as a low-fire, low-hire environment.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/16/business/jobs-report-economy

 

[shockedcanadian]

No wonder Trump didn't release any economy statistics before the November off cycle elections. The results are terrible.

• Unemployment spikes to 4.6% - high since 2021 under Covid
• 105,000 jobs were LOST in October - the report Trump delayed
• A mere 64,000 were ADDED in November
• September and August job adds were REVISED DOWN by 30% - including August job loss revised to -26,000 jobs from -4,000
• The U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

The Trend under Trump has not been good. The Golden Age economy is more like the Golden Arches economy.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/jobs/jobs-report-october-november-2025-unemployment-economy-7f6eea90?mod=economy_lead_story

Job numbers for September and August were worse than previously reported. Some 108,000 jobs were added in September, lower than the 119,000 gain previously reported; 26,000 jobs were lost in August, instead of the previously estimated 4,000 decline.

Job losses in June, August and October mean the U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

Overall, economists describe the current labor market as a low-fire, low-hire environment.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/16/business/jobs-report-economy

Can you provide government vs private job numbers please?

 

[citygator]

Can you provide government vs private job numbers please?

Let me google that for you (LMGTFY)

2025: Slower Private Job Growth​

• Private payroll growth has slowed considerably in 2025. According to proxy indicators like the ADP employment reports, the year-to-date average monthly private job gain in 2025 was about 52,000 per month — far below 2024 levels (~141,000 per month) for the same period.
• This slowdown reflects weak private hiring in parts of the year, including months with net private job losses reported by ADP (e.g., a loss of ~32,000 private jobs in November and earlier pauses), as well as choppy hiring patterns overall. American

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[Mac1958]

The job market is crappy, up a little, as businesses deal with economic uncertainty and higher costs of doing business via increased tariffs.

The S&P 500 has been flat for three months now, concerned about the above. Corporate earnings are holding up okay, since they can lay off, freeze hiring, and slow down on capital expenditures to keep the bottom line and stock price up short term.

Weird time. Because of the massive AI buildout holding things afloat, this could go either way.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The job market is frozen or declining, as businesses deal with economic uncertainty and higher costs of doing business via increased tariffs.

The S&P 500 has been flat for three months now, concerned about the above. Corporate earnings are holding up okay, since they can lay off, freeze hiring, and slow down on capital expenditures to keep the bottom line and stock price up short term.

Weird time. Because of the massive AI buildout holding things afloat, this could go either way.

Stock buybacks and AI.

All held together with..................

 

[Rogue AI]

Good thing Trump is deporting record numbers of criminal aliens. Apparently, whatever they were doing here was unimportant. He should redouble his efforts.

If citizens need jobs they shouldn't be competing with criminal illegals. No doubt even our liberals can see sense in that, right?

 

[Maxdeath]

Well let’s look at a big part of the jump in the first part of the shown 22-23. Most of those were people returning to work.
A large portion of the job losses were government employees that took offered buyouts from DODGE and reduction in government numbers that were not actually in force until later this year. This causes a large number of job losses to be posted later rather then when they actually took place.
As far as the claim that the numbers were held off because of some elections that is pure unadulterated bull. Maybe someone forgot the democratic government shutdown?
True it would be nice if our country had not shipped every job it could to other countries. It would be better for all of us. True it would be better if we only had legal people working jobs. True it would be better if we had everyone earring a proper pay check instead of working under the table.
But considering we are dealing with more automation, more AI then ever before, more illegal imigration and other problems. We really are not that bad.

 

[Captain Creeper]

There are jobs out there. Now, they may not be exactly what someone wants to do for the long-term, where they have a huge salary, a corner office overlooking a beautiful metropolitan complex bathed in sunshine, a secretary that looks like Sydney Sweeney who is happy to blow you daily, etc..., but there are jobs out there. I just read something yesterday about how young people are turning their noses up as "starter jobs", instead expecting to just jump right into a dream job.

In the grand scheme of things, these jobs numbers are not hideous. Moreover, our young workforce sucks and are unmotivated (they demand their work/personal lives balance).

 

[Nostra]

No wonder Trump didn't release any economy statistics before the November off cycle elections. The results are terrible.

• Unemployment spikes to 4.6% - high since 2021 under Covid
• 105,000 jobs were LOST in October - the report Trump delayed
• A mere 64,000 were ADDED in November
• September and August job adds were REVISED DOWN by 30% - including August job loss revised to -26,000 jobs from -4,000
• The U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

The Trend under Trump has not been good. The Golden Age economy is more like the Golden Arches economy.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/jobs/jobs-report-october-november-2025-unemployment-economy-7f6eea90?mod=economy_lead_story

Job numbers for September and August were worse than previously reported. Some 108,000 jobs were added in September, lower than the 119,000 gain previously reported; 26,000 jobs were lost in August, instead of the previously estimated 4,000 decline.

Job losses in June, August and October mean the U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

Overall, economists describe the current labor market as a low-fire, low-hire environment.

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Up 1/10 of 1%

Quite the "spike".

 

[initforme]

In the grand scheme of things, these jobs numbers are not hideous. Moreover, our young workforce sucks and are unmotivated (they demand their work/personal lives balance).

Nope. Our young workforce is doing great. Very hard working. Why shouldnt they have balance in their lives?

 

[Hafar1014]

No wonder Trump didn't release any economy statistics before the November off cycle elections. The results are terrible.

• Unemployment spikes to 4.6% - high since 2021 under Covid
• 105,000 jobs were LOST in October - the report Trump delayed
• A mere 64,000 were ADDED in November
• September and August job adds were REVISED DOWN by 30% - including August job loss revised to -26,000 jobs from -4,000
• The U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

The Trend under Trump has not been good. The Golden Age economy is more like the Golden Arches economy.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/jobs/jobs-report-october-november-2025-unemployment-economy-7f6eea90?mod=economy_lead_story

Job numbers for September and August were worse than previously reported. Some 108,000 jobs were added in September, lower than the 119,000 gain previously reported; 26,000 jobs were lost in August, instead of the previously estimated 4,000 decline.

Job losses in June, August and October mean the U.S. economy has shed jobs in three out of the past six months.

Overall, economists describe the current labor market as a low-fire, low-hire environment.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/16/business/jobs-report-economy

Therse are good numbers consider thousands of useless government jobs cut and illegals deported and we still created jobs. We cut the trash and replace them with real private sector jobs. Next year will be even better

 

[HikerGuy83]

Can you provide government vs private job numbers please?

What I read was that 150,000 people left the federal government.

Did you feel it?

I didn't.

What does that do to the job numbers ?

 

[Hafar1014]

What I read was that 150,000 people left the federal government.

Did you feel it?

I didn't.

What does that do to the job numbers ?

About 300,000 United States federal civil service layoffs have been announced by the second Trump administration, almost all of them attributed to the Department of Government Efficiency. On August 26, 2025, the Partnership for Public Service said just under 200,000 federal workers had already left their jobs.

 

[citygator]

There are jobs out there. Now, they may not be exactly what someone wants to do for the long-term, where they have a huge salary, a corner office overlooking a beautiful metropolitan complex bathed in sunshine, a secretary that looks like Sydney Sweeney who is happy to blow you daily, etc..., but there are jobs out there. I just read something yesterday about how young people are turning their noses up as "starter jobs", instead expecting to just jump right into a dream job.

In the grand scheme of things, these jobs numbers are not hideous. Moreover, our young workforce sucks and are unmotivated (they demand their work/personal lives balance).

Are you even in the employment business? I am. I have no issue finding and hiring good workers. Not any harder than it used to be. Currently we are hiring better candidates due to the lower competition coming out of college.

Now. I will say they are more interested in a balanced life than they used to be but consider this:

There are no real pensions anymore and employment is much more transactional than it was 20 or 30 years ago when you likely worked. So you absolutely get them more focus on near term financial goals and building a career because they have to be. It’s a different world now than it used to be where you work one place til you die.

 

[HikerGuy83]

About 300,000 United States federal civil service layoffs have been announced by the second Trump administration, almost all of them attributed to the Department of Government Efficiency. On August 26, 2025, the Partnership for Public Service said just under 200,000 federal workers had already left their jobs.

I believe these were related to the government shutdown. Not sure if that connects to any of this.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Are you even in the employment business? I am. I have no issue finding and hiring good workers. Not any harder than it used to be. Currently we are hiring better candidates due to the lower competition coming out of college.

Now. I will say they are more interested in a balanced life than they used to be but consider this:

There are no real pensions anymore and employment is much more transactional than it was 20 or 30 years ago when you likely worked. So you absolutely get them more focus on near term financial goals and building a career because they have to be. It’s a different world now than it used to be where you work one place til you die.

and???

 

[Meister]

A cut in the fed rate will give a welcomed boost.
Powell was wrong, and Trump was right all along.

 

[citygator]

and???

I was responding to the young workforce sucks comment. That is an old person who doesn’t know. Like you.

 

[Captain Creeper]

Are you even in the employment business? I am. I have no issue finding and hiring good workers. Not any harder than it used to be. Currently we are hiring better candidates due to the lower competition coming out of college.

Now. I will say they are more interested in a balanced life than they used to be but consider this:

There are no real pensions anymore and employment is much more transactional than it was 20 or 30 years ago when you likely worked. So you absolutely get them more focus on near term financial goals and building a career because they have to be. It’s a different world now than it used to be where you work one place til you die.

I do not know what "the employment business" is that you claim to be a part of. But I am a private employer, and I stay atop economic matters as part of my job and for tending to my investments.

 

[Norm Paperman]

A cut in the fed rate will give a welcomed boost.
Powell was wrong, and Trump was right all along.

It is nonsensical for people to claim the economy is strong while also begging for a rate cut.