Un ******* believable

[Bfgrn]

I am way past tired of the BULLSHIT lies about the Arizona law on illegal Immigrants. The law says the SAME thing the US law says, the difference is our Federal Government REFUSES to enforce said law.

There is nothing racist about the law. There is nothing unconstitutional about the law. There is nothing remotely illegal about the law. Once again if any of those things were true then the same would be true of US Immigration laws on the books right NOW.

And then we have this....

Lakers-Suns NBA Match a Stage for Immigration Activists - Yahoo! News

LA needs to be shown the door. **** LA and anyone else that openly supports ILLEGAL Aliens.

The BULLSHIT is RUSSELL PEARCE, the human excrement that authored this racist bill. IF this bill is same as the Federal law, then WHAT purpose does it serve???

You can't really be this ignorant, can you? The purpose it serves is to give the STATE of Arizona the authority to enforce the federal law that is currently not being enforced very well at all.

Rick

THEN...there is NO reason for a new law, just enforcement of existing Federal law. The 'reason' for the new law is a personal vendetta by a white supremacist racist. Why don't you READ before you open your trap? Are you THAT stupid?

RUSSELL PEARCE is the quintessential Arizona Republican. He wears stars-and-stripes shirts and has clips of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan on his website. He loves guns, his family, his Mormon faith, his country and the law, which he enforced for many years as deputy sheriff of Maricopa County. He jokes that being Republican, and thus not having a heart, saved his life when he got shot in the chest once. But his main passion is illegal immigrants, whom he calls “invaders”. He loathed them even before his son Sean, also a sheriff’s deputy, got shot by one. But now it is personal.

 

[hboats]

The BULLSHIT is RUSSELL PEARCE, the human excrement that authored this racist bill. IF this bill is same as the Federal law, then WHAT purpose does it serve???

You can't really be this ignorant, can you? The purpose it serves is to give the STATE of Arizona the authority to enforce the federal law that is currently not being enforced very well at all.

Rick

THEN...there is NO reason for a new law, just enforcement of existing Federal law. The 'reason' for the new law is a personal vendetta by a white supremacist racist. Why don't you READ before you open your trap? Are you THAT stupid?

RUSSELL PEARCE is the quintessential Arizona Republican. He wears stars-and-stripes shirts and has clips of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan on his website. He loves guns, his family, his Mormon faith, his country and the law, which he enforced for many years as deputy sheriff of Maricopa County. He jokes that being Republican, and thus not having a heart, saved his life when he got shot in the chest once. But his main passion is illegal immigrants, whom he calls “invaders”. He loathed them even before his son Sean, also a sheriff’s deputy, got shot by one. But now it is personal.

You just insist on showing your ignorance with each post, don't you? The federal law does not give state law officers authority to do ANYTHING about illegal immigration. This law affords the state of Arizona law enforcement officers the authority to detain and hand over to ICE and federal authorities people who are here illegally. Before this law they did not have that authority. Now they will. It's really as simple as that.

Rick

 

[Skull Pilot]

The most common complaint I hear is that this law has the "potential for abuse".

Well folks ALL laws have the potential for abuse. That is why we have redress through the courts is it not?

In fact it could be argued that we are all potential criminals and murderers after all given the history of the human race such an assumption is certainly reasonable.

The simple fact is that those of you who oppose the law because it might be implemented incorrectly have no real proof cops will indeed be abusive.

If you can divine the future, how come you aren't out buying lottery tickets?

 

[JBeukema]

The owner of the Suns is a Republican.

Party affiliation means nothing. He had them wear spanglish jersey's to protest the enforcement of immigration laws. He sides with an invading force and should be shot for treason.

No, he believes making people carry id and throwing them in jail for not doing it is not quite American.

But you go right ahead with your hysteria.

What does the new AZ law require immigrants to carry that federal law does not already require them to carry?


All they did was copy federal law into the State's books so that AZ. law enforcement can enforce the law where the Fed has failed to.

No new requirements were put in place.

 

[JBeukema]

Sports should not be a staging ground for politics.

Clearly, you're not familiar with the history of the Olympic games.

 

[JBeukema]

No. Ventura county is a very large county. Much of it is farm land. Oxnard is primarily hispanic. As is Somis and on and on and on. The hispanics in those areas are in favor of the laws being enforced.; It benefits them too. In many ways.

And, go read the ******* law, Ravi. It clearly states that profiling will not be tolerated. And those cops who try to abuse it will face serious reprecussions.

Educate yourself for once, dammit, and get over your abject loony liberal paranoia.

How does profiling not being tolerated mean that no one in uniform is going to run around and ask for papers? That sounds more like everyone will be asked for papers.

Christ!.....Those sheriffs are well paid. You tell me how many are going to be foolish enough to risk losing a well paying job for running around profiling every hispanic they ******* see!.....How many are going to risk losing their homes and everything they've worked hard for, particularly in Obama's fucked up economy that is only getting worse?

Glenn Beck is absolutely right!....It's like arguing with IDIOTS!

Not to mention that, at least around this part of AZ, a very large percentage of the police are- guess what race...

 

[Coyote]

The most common complaint I hear is that this law has the "potential for abuse".

Well folks ALL laws have the potential for abuse. That is why we have redress through the courts is it not?

In fact it could be argued that we are all potential criminals and murderers after all given the history of the human race such an assumption is certainly reasonable.

The simple fact is that those of you who oppose the law because it might be implemented incorrectly have no real proof cops will indeed be abusive.

If you can divine the future, how come you aren't out buying lottery tickets?

True enough....kind of like those that opposed the health care bill because it would lead to a socialist health care system like Canada's have no real proof that would indeed occur.

Lots of divining going on.

 

[JBeukema]

You made the claim that no one in uniform is going to run around asking for papers.

How then will the law be enforced?

The same way all laws are enforced?

If there's reasonable cause to suspect you're engaged in illegal activity, the police can stop you and those you're with. Now the law simply states that if, during any such contact, it becomes evident that you're an illegal, the officer is to require your documentation- the same documentation you're already required to carry by federal law- much as the every day citizen is asked for ID. If you do not have your documentation, you may be detained pending conformation of your identity and status, just as a citizen who's suspected of a crime may be detained under their identity is confirmed.

 

[JBeukema]

learn to read, pal. I never once said anything about illegal immigrants voting. And contrary to your beliefs, polls show that a significant majority of hispanic american citizens oppose the arizona law.

Could you provide a link to that poll?

certainly. the question will now be whether you will acknowledge its findings.

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-Univision Poll May 2010 Hispanic Topline_1st release.pdf

"Unsurprisingly, attitudes towards the new law are pretty polarized. Hispanics oppose the law by a 67/15 margin, with fully 60% saying they "strongly oppose" it. Non-Hispanics favor the law by a 45/20 margin, with 31% saying they "strongly favor" it. "

'they gonna lock mi cousin up, esse'

 

[JBeukema]

there are either conniving white supremacists, or simply delusional. one or the other.

Ya anyone that Thinks our borders should be secure and illegals removed from the Country MUST be a racist. YOU and your buddies are the problem.

I never said anything of the sort, you moron.

The question was... why do republicans think that polling that shows they are LOSING the hispanic voter is good for their party.

read much?

Some people care more about the country than their party

 

[JBeukema]

I am way past tired of the BULLSHIT lies about the Arizona law on illegal Immigrants. The law says the SAME thing the US law says, the difference is our Federal Government REFUSES to enforce said law.

There is nothing racist about the law. There is nothing unconstitutional about the law. There is nothing remotely illegal about the law. Once again if any of those things were true then the same would be true of US Immigration laws on the books right NOW.

And then we have this....

Lakers-Suns NBA Match a Stage for Immigration Activists - Yahoo! News

LA needs to be shown the door. **** LA and anyone else that openly supports ILLEGAL Aliens.

The BULLSHIT is RUSSELL PEARCE, the human excrement that authored this racist bill. IF this bill is same as the Federal law, then WHAT purpose does it serve???

Arizona Immigration Bill Sponsor Russell Pearce Has White Supremacist Ties, Nativist Views

In 2006, Arizona state legislator Russell Pearce got himself into a bit of trouble.

Pearce is the chief sponsor of Arizona's brutal new immigration law.

In '06, he circulated emails from the National Alliance, a white supremacist group. The email defended a racially conscious white person who "looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America." (Miscegenation refers to interracial relationships.)

The email went on to blame the media for forcing on the public the notion of equality of the races, the truth of the Holocaust and "the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders ... ."

Fayetteville Observer - Arizona Immigration Bill Sponsor Russell Pearce Has White Supremacist Ties, Nativist Views


Arizona's immigration law

Hysterical nativism

A conservative border state is at risk of becoming a police state

Apr 22nd 2010 | LOS ANGELES | From The Economist print edition

RUSSELL PEARCE is the quintessential Arizona Republican. He wears stars-and-stripes shirts and has clips of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan on his website. He loves guns, his family, his Mormon faith, his country and the law, which he enforced for many years as deputy sheriff of Maricopa County. He jokes that being Republican, and thus not having a heart, saved his life when he got shot in the chest once. But his main passion is illegal immigrants, whom he calls “invaders”. He loathed them even before his son Sean, also a sheriff’s deputy, got shot by one. But now it is personal.

Mr Pearce, a state senator, has sponsored an Arizona law that, if enacted, would be the toughest in the country. It is so brazen it has caused outrage. This week it passed the last hurdles in the state legislature. As The Economist went to press, it was awaiting the signature of Arizona’s Republican governor, Jan Brewer.

Illegal immigration is a federal crime. Mr Pearce’s law, however, would also make it a state crime and would require the police, as opposed to federal agents, to make arrests and check the immigration status of individuals who look suspicious to them. Citizens who think their cops are not vigilant enough would be encouraged to sue their cities or counties, and no city or county may remain a “sanctuary” where this law is not enforced.

In Mr Pearce’s opinion his law merely “removes the handcuffs” from the police and sheriffs’ deputies so they can do their work. To a great many other people, however, it screams racial profiling. Arizona is an overwhelmingly white state, and virtually all illegal immigrants—perhaps about half a million in the state—are Hispanic. Whom else would cops suspect and arrest but the brown ones? Even American Latinos who happen to be out without their driving license might be at risk.

Arizona's immigration law: Hysterical nativism | The Economist

Are you familiar with the definition of 'ad hominem, attack'?

 

[maineman]

Let me rephrase that. "every rational independent thinking person knows " tha the mainstream media is biased and not accurately reporting the Arizona law.

Yea there is a lot of mexicans in America, but that doesn't prove that this poll was taken by American citizens and not illegal aliens. Illegal aliens have phones too. When asked what country they were born 38 percent said Mexico. Those people should have been eliminated from the poll because of obvious bias.

What does the media's accuracy have to do with the fact that a large majority of hispanics do NOT like the Arizona law and that continuing to voice support for this law will hurt GOP candidates with hispanic voters? And are you saying that, in a poll that is designed to differentiate hispanic opinions from the rest of the country, that people who say they were born in Mexico should NOT be counted? THAT makes a shitload of sense!

It has a lot to do with it . Since mainstream media is reporting lies and this poll relied on that information, then the answers would not have been based on truthful data. That being said the Mexicans are basing their opinions on lies.

The question was asked based on what they read or heard, I'd argue that what they read or heard was inaccurate information.

Yes, the Mexicans born in Mexico would have an obvious bias and should not have been polled.

The source of anyone's opinion is not the issue here....only the FACT that they do indeed hold that opinion. If you want to talk about your opinions regarding media bias, I am certain there are many threads that discuss that.

And so you think that a national survey designed to differentiate hispanic opinion from the rest of society should NOT include naturalized American citizens born in Mexico? Again... that is absurd.

The POINT was that, for whatever reason, hispanic Americans are overwhelmingly against the Arizona law, and the conclusion that I drew from that was that GOP candidates risked alienating yet another ethnic group and in some key states, such as Florida, that will cost them dearly in a national election.

 

[Angelhair]

How does profiling not being tolerated mean that no one in uniform is going to run around and ask for papers? That sounds more like everyone will be asked for papers.

Christ!.....Those sheriffs are well paid. You tell me how many are going to be foolish enough to risk losing a well paying job for running around profiling every hispanic they ******* see!.....How many are going to risk losing their homes and everything they've worked hard for, particularly in Obama's fucked up economy that is only getting worse?

Glenn Beck is absolutely right!....It's like arguing with IDIOTS!

Not to mention that, at least around this part of AZ, a very large percentage of the police are- guess what race...

Maybe we should ask Obama that. He seems to think that when someone of dark skin takes their children to the ice cream parlor, cops will be there asking to see their 'papers'. How idiotic; how immature; how radical; how dumb and dangerous was his statement?!! Time to get this fool out of office - the sooner the better.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What does the media's accuracy have to do with the fact that a large majority of hispanics do NOT like the Arizona law and that continuing to voice support for this law will hurt GOP candidates with hispanic voters? And are you saying that, in a poll that is designed to differentiate hispanic opinions from the rest of the country, that people who say they were born in Mexico should NOT be counted? THAT makes a shitload of sense!

It has a lot to do with it . Since mainstream media is reporting lies and this poll relied on that information, then the answers would not have been based on truthful data. That being said the Mexicans are basing their opinions on lies.

The question was asked based on what they read or heard, I'd argue that what they read or heard was inaccurate information.

Yes, the Mexicans born in Mexico would have an obvious bias and should not have been polled.

The source of anyone's opinion is not the issue here....only the FACT that they do indeed hold that opinion. If you want to talk about your opinions regarding media bias, I am certain there are many threads that discuss that.

And so you think that a national survey designed to differentiate hispanic opinion from the rest of society should NOT include naturalized American citizens born in Mexico? Again... that is absurd.

The POINT was that, for whatever reason, hispanic Americans are overwhelmingly against the Arizona law, and the conclusion that I drew from that was that GOP candidates risked alienating yet another ethnic group and in some key states, such as Florida, that will cost them dearly in a national election.

The information they recieve is the issue and the reason being is the opinions they form need to be based on facts and not on lies.

You're assuming those born in Mexico are natualized citizens. Can you prove that?

I refer you to a thread posted by Ghook titled "Latino Americans supporting AZ law "that contradicts your assertion that "hispanic Americans are overwhelmingly against the Arizona law".

 

[JBeukema]

Most law-abiding Latinos support the law

wetbacks and their cousins oppose the law

 

[Cecilie1200]

The BULLSHIT is RUSSELL PEARCE, the human excrement that authored this racist bill. IF this bill is same as the Federal law, then WHAT purpose does it serve???

You can't really be this ignorant, can you? The purpose it serves is to give the STATE of Arizona the authority to enforce the federal law that is currently not being enforced very well at all.

Rick

THEN...there is NO reason for a new law, just enforcement of existing Federal law. The 'reason' for the new law is a personal vendetta by a white supremacist racist. Why don't you READ before you open your trap? Are you THAT stupid?

RUSSELL PEARCE is the quintessential Arizona Republican. He wears stars-and-stripes shirts and has clips of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan on his website. He loves guns, his family, his Mormon faith, his country and the law, which he enforced for many years as deputy sheriff of Maricopa County. He jokes that being Republican, and thus not having a heart, saved his life when he got shot in the chest once. But his main passion is illegal immigrants, whom he calls “invaders”. He loathed them even before his son Sean, also a sheriff’s deputy, got shot by one. But now it is personal.

Yes, this is just about one man's personal vendetta, not about the millions of Arizona voters affected and harmed by illegals every day, not about the OTHER people who have been killed by them, none of that. That's why 70% of the people in Arizona support this law: because it's about one guy's personal vendetta.

Could you BE any more ignorant, or would it require elective surgery?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Christ!.....Those sheriffs are well paid. You tell me how many are going to be foolish enough to risk losing a well paying job for running around profiling every hispanic they ******* see!.....How many are going to risk losing their homes and everything they've worked hard for, particularly in Obama's fucked up economy that is only getting worse?

Glenn Beck is absolutely right!....It's like arguing with IDIOTS!

Not to mention that, at least around this part of AZ, a very large percentage of the police are- guess what race...

Maybe we should ask Obama that. He seems to think that when someone of dark skin takes their children to the ice cream parlor, cops will be there asking to see their 'papers'. How idiotic; how immature; how radical; how dumb and dangerous was his statement?!! Time to get this fool out of office - the sooner the better.

Love to know what makes him think Arizona can even AFFORD that many cops, that we'd have them wandering around questioning people on the street at random.

 

[Angelhair]

I am way past tired of the BULLSHIT lies about the Arizona law on illegal Immigrants. The law says the SAME thing the US law says, the difference is our Federal Government REFUSES to enforce said law.

There is nothing racist about the law. There is nothing unconstitutional about the law. There is nothing remotely illegal about the law. Once again if any of those things were true then the same would be true of US Immigration laws on the books right NOW.

And then we have this....

Lakers-Suns NBA Match a Stage for Immigration Activists - Yahoo! News

LA needs to be shown the door. **** LA and anyone else that openly supports ILLEGAL Aliens.

Here is an example of Rush Limbaugh’s ability to make a point, and show the hypocrisy of the other side.
On May 5, in honor of ‘Cinco de Mayo,’ the Phoenix Suns had their team wear ‘los Suns’ on their jerseys. This was a political statement, showing opposition to the Arizona Bill aimed at pressuring illegal immigrants.

Mr. Limbaugh claimed it was a case of bowing to political correctness. And to show the hypocrisy, he asked if the team was being consistent by not requiring fans at the game to have ‘papers.’ You know, tickets!
Brilliant.

Los Sols would have been more accurate.

And then you could have 'Los Lagos de Los Angeles'........how silly is THAT??!!!

 

[frazzledgear]

republicans nationally are leery of this... they know that this might give them some traction in the midterms, but when they look ahead to national elections in 2012, knowing that they have already effectively forfeited the african american vote, they know that losing the latino vote will be deadly in many key states... florida being one of them. They are fast becoming the party of white folks and if one looks out at demographic trends, if they continue to be simply the party of white folks, they will doom themselves to being a minority party or a regional party at best.

myself... I think it will be hilarious to watch them try to spin themselves out of this in two years.

You're wrong. Latinos who are here illegally do not have the right to vote, so how can we lose their votes? Secondly, LEGAL immigrants- those that came across the border following the rules, are overwhelmingly in favor of enforcing immigration laws and being tough on illegal aliens.

Republicans merely need to stick to conservative values and they will win.

learn to read, pal. I never once said anything about illegal immigrants voting. And contrary to your beliefs, polls show that a significant majority of hispanic american citizens oppose the arizona law.

1. San Fransisco is considering a law that would allow illegals to vote in local elections -the downside is that once you take this step, it is nearly impossible to prevent them from voting in state and federal elections. Whether or not illegals can vote is a state issue, so only the California state government could nullify it if this law were to pass -not the federal government. This would not be the first time illegals were allowed to vote in this country -it happened in NY and at least a couple of other states in the past. SF tried to pass this bill once before and it narrowly lost. The sponsor of this bill is on the school board with ambitions to hold higher office and is sponsoring this bill for purely political reasons. It is NOT because he has all this "compassion" for illegals but ONLY because he thinks it would give him enough voters in the future to take him over the top when he runs for office. He is hoping that the sentiment about the Arizona law will provide the backlash to pass this law he hopes will insure his own political future. San Francisco Wants Voting Rights for Illegal Aliens | UNCOVERAGE.net

2. Not all Hispanic Americans oppose this bill -those who came here legally are actually split on this while those who came illegally and then rewarded for that crime with citizenship in an amnesty are much more likely to oppose the Arizona law -which makes sense. Some Hispanic Americans hope law deters illegal immigration - CNN.com

If you came to this country legally, what reason would you have to support those who refused to do what you did to get here and just sneaked in instead? If you studied for your driver's exam, passed it, paid for your auto insurance and paid the fee to get your driver's license, does that mean you favor letting those off the hook entirely who refuse to do the same to be legal drivers too but are out there driving anyway? Does that make sense to you? If you took out a loan to buy a house and faithfully made your mortgage payments in order to keep it -would you favor squatters who moved into an empty house and simply claimed it as their own, essentially stealing it from the rightful owner? However, if you are the squatter why wouldn't you favor letting others steal a house by the same means as well?

This is NOT Mexico and it does NOT belong to whoever can manage to sneak their asses across our border. This isn't a race issue -it is an OWNERSHIP issue and it doesn't belong to illegal immigrants who broke our law to get here in order to steal what isn't theirs and they either couldn't get legally or didn't bother to even try. Don't get me wrong -I fully understand why they enter illegally, but understanding and even sympathizing with why they do it doesn't mean I must turn around and support that act. I do not support that crime and never will. And no matter how others want to dress it up, it IS a CRIME. This isn't about race or ethnic heritage whatsoever -I don't care who wants to come to our country or where they are from. I just want them to come LEGALLY because every country on the planet has the absolute RIGHT to know who enters their country and for what purpose. Until we get control of our border, it is impossible to even consider mutually acceptable guest worker programs of any kind between the two countries which could be feasible if done correctly. But not without border control FIRST.

I am among the majority who are sick and tired of those who insist we all pretend our nation belongs as much to everyone and anyone who can sneak across our borders as it does to US citizens. Our federal government is in violation of its Constitutional duty and obligation to PROTECT the REAL US citizens from EXACTLY this kind of thing -and sorry, but an invasion of MILLIONS of foreigners sneaking across our border is a threat and every country on earth would say it was as well if it were happening in THEIR country. And good luck to ANY American who tries to pull this same stunt in Mexico -or anywhere else in the world because the only thing that will happen is that you can give us all a firsthand report on the conditions of their prisons but what you will NOT get is a free education for your kids and free health care for your entire family.

People like YOU entirely over estimate support for illegals in this country to the point you are convinced expressing support for gaining border control and enforcing our immigration laws would cost someone an election just for being on what you think must be the "wrong" side of the issue -even after poll after poll consistently shows an overwhelming majority in this country want something done about illegal immigration NOW and are actually angry with both parties for refusing to do so.

 

[Old Rocks]

Republicans AND Democrats have failed miserably at securing our borders and making our education competitive Internationally or Nationally! They forget who works for whom. Voting for either party is a wasted vote! Democrat=Republican! When voting for the lesser of two evils, may we NEVER forget that it is STILL EVIL!

There is hope. There is a candidate gaining momentum, not a politician, with great ideas and cares! Securing our border is very important. Democrats, Republicans YOU'RE FIRED!!!
CHELENE NIGHTINGALE FOR GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA 2010
CHELENENIGHTINGALEFORGOVERNOR.COM

LOL. After 9-11, Bush could have closed the southern border with the full and enthusiastic support of the American Citizenery. Instead, he left it wide open in order to use the illegals to weakon unions. For the majority of Bush's two terms, we have no idea of what or who came over that border. The majority of illegals in this nation arrived during that period.

As usual, the Republicans are lying concerning their own policy and it's results, and attemping to shift the blame for the disastrous results onto someone else.