Ukranian's view of American presidential debate

[Independent thinker]

Thats weird because Trump is openly telling you that he will weaponize the justice system to go after people he doesn't like.

“Look, when this election is over, based on what they’ve done, I would have every right to go after them, and it would be easy because it’s Joe Biden,”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/05/politics/trump-prosecute-political-opponents/index.html

Democrats have already openly weaponized the justice system.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

lol. Ok. Is there anyone in this thread who’s posted something in opposition to the war in Ukraine you haven’t called a Putin supporter or shill?

Has everyone posted in this thread?

Do you understand that I am not actually reading the very first posts I have ever read, from these posters?

 

[AntonToo]

Democrats have already openly weaponized the justice system.

Can you cite this "open weaponization" please?

Because the only open comments I've ever heard from Biden and his cabinet were about the importance of everything being done by the book in politically sensitive cases and DOJ's independence.

There has never been any testimony that Biden was involved in any high profile cases. For god's sakes, his own son was indicted and has just pled guilty, how can you possibly reconciliate that with your thesis about Biden controlling the DOJ?

 

[Independent thinker]

Can you cite this "open weaponization" please?

Because the only open comments I've ever heard from Biden and his cabinet were about the importance of everything being done by the book in politically sensitive cases and DOJ's independence.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, you haven't noticed that every prosecution against Trump is done by only democrats, several of whom made it their campaign promise to "get Trump"?

 

[AntonToo]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, you haven't noticed that every prosecution against Trump is done by only democrats, several of whom made it their campaign promise to "get Trump"?

Have you noticed that you didn't say a single word in terms of actual evidence of Biden's involvement? Why would a partisan prosecutor need Biden's blessing to do his damn job and take on a case he thinks he can win?


Anyone saying nonsense like this fundamentally does not understand how American justice system works.

It doesn't matter what prosecutor's political leanings or electoral politics are, if there is no real case all they are doing is soiling their own professional record.

An indctment is subject to Grand Jury recomendation. A conviction takes place in a court of law, before a Judge and jury of peers vetted by defense lawyers.

Trump didn't get indicted and convicted because someone didn't like him, because there was strong evidence he BROKE THE LAW. If he didn't want to be tried and convicted then he shouldn't have commited crimes instead of hoping and wishing for sympathetic prosecutors.

Seems fairly common sense.

 

[Couchpotato]

Has everyone posted in this thread?

Do you understand that I am not actually reading the very first posts I have ever read, from these posters?

You could have just said. No.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You could have just said. No.

Which would be, what, twice? you're not making the big point you think you are making.

And when I see people spouting putin's lying propaganda about NATO, why the war happened, etc., i'm not making much of a leap.

 

[Couchpotato]

Which would be, what, twice? you're not making the big point you think you are making.

And when I see people spouting putin's lying propaganda about NATO, why the war happened, etc., i'm not making much of a leap.

Again. Easier to just say no.

 

[skye]

Millions of Ukrainian men dodged the draft because they don’t want to fight a dumb pointless war for land in eastern Ukraine that has historically belonged to Russia for centuries.

That ^^^

 

[skye]

Yes, millions more have been forced to fight for Zelensky’s (really the US State Department’s) war. And they have been dying by the thousands. They won’t even release the casualty numbers because it is so bad.

Hey, if you believe in the war so bad, why don’t you fight in it?

Second that! you are totally correct!

 

[ESay]

I'll blame you for the garbage bs you post all I want.

How about you put togather a few constructive thoughts on the topic and actualy say what you, as a Ukranian think of Trump's promises of "24 hour deal" with Putin and what it realistically would look like.

Of course, you can blame me all you want. No worries, Antoshka. You are an alpha boy here.

I don't believe in the '24 hour deal'. But I believe that the armistice should be reached immediately and future negotiations take place after that. Maybe it will take several months.

The Istanbul Accords, it is what these negotiations should be based upon. I consider them to be quite bad for Ukraine, but Ukraine lost a chance to bargain something better.

The occupied territories, I don't know what their status will be. I can hardly imagine them being recognised by Ukraine or the West as part of Russia. But it is clear that de facto they will remain under Russian control.

 

[g5000]

Millions of Ukrainian men dodged the draft because they don’t want to fight a dumb pointless war for land in eastern Ukraine that has historically belonged to Russia for centuries.

We belonged to Britain for centuries. Should we hand over the East Coast to Britain, moron?

Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Try to get that through your thick skull, appeasement monkey.

 

[g5000]

They don't have a leg to stand on until they get THEIR ELECTIONS BACK.

Oh, you mean like Russia has had free and fair elections during Putin's 25 year reign, dipshit? You want to talk about rigged elections?

Putin had the Russian Constitution rewritten so he could stay in power. And anyone who stands up to him has a bad habit of coming down with a bad case of dioxin or falling out of a window or off a boat.

Ukraine is under martial law because, you know, they been ******* invaded, asshole!

Jesus. You people. Straight from Putin's ass to your mouths.

 

[g5000]

Sure, enough weapons for a never-ending war.

Enough weapons to win.

We need to kick all the Trump cult surrender monkeys to the curb.

 

[g5000]

Yes, millions more have been forced to fight for Zelensky’s (really the US State Department’s) war. And they have been dying by the thousands. They won’t even release the casualty numbers because it is so bad.

Has Russia released casualty numbers?

No?

How about that!

Hey, if you believe in the war so bad, why don’t you fight in it?

What a stupid talking point you surrender monkeys parrot.

I served for 20 years.

This is Ukraine's war, which we should support the same way we supported Britain when they were being attacked by Hitler.

Fucktards like you would have opposed that and mewled, "Why don't you fight in it" as if you think you are clever.

You know who did oppose us supporting Europe against Hitler?

Charles Lindberg.

Do you know what that loser's motto was?

 

[g5000]

No, I just remember how quickly you dumped this guy when he became too inconvenient.

At least Biden has the moral character to admit his inability to continue and step aside like a gentleman.

81 million Americans dumped Trump and he threw a coup.

 

[g5000]

How many more people need to die in that useless war?

If we arm Ukraine properly, the casualties on the Ukrainian side will be much less, and the casualties on the Russian invaders side will be much more until they sue for peace.

 

[g5000]

It sure is. Idiots like you that cheerlead for a war you will never fight in.

Unless of course Kamala is installed. Then we’ll end up in a war with Russia ourselves, and you lefties will get drafted just like those Ukeys are now. All so you can go “fight fascism” or something.

1. There are 110 statues honoring Joseph Stalin in Russia. Putin has erected 95 of them. When you tards claim to be against leftists, you cannot be believed. Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. You think that isn't a threat to our interests, and you parrot all of his bullshit talking points like good little comrades.

2. You tards whine about "rigged elections" and yet you support a dictator who has rigged elections to stay in power for a quarter of a century and counting. He has murdered or imprisoned anyone who is a threat to his continued dictatorship, and even rewrote the Russian constitution to stay in power. So **** you and your whining about "rigged elections".

3. Ukraine is the breadbasket to the world. You want even higher prices for your groceries? Then let Putin gain control of a significant portion of the world's food supply in that vast agricultural land.
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4. Ukraine is a trading partner to the US. We import iron, steel, inorganic chemicals, oil, iron and steel products, and agricultural products from Ukraine. We export coal, machinery, vehicles, agricultural products, fish, seafood, and aircraft to Ukraine.

5. We are benefitting from Putin's military being decimated. That makes the whole world safer. And we get to observe the strategy and tactics of the Russian war machine. That is invaluable information. Without a single American life put at risk. That is worth every penny we spend on Ukraine.


You should be embarrassed this has to be explained to you useful idiots, but you just don't have the intellect to be.

 

[g5000]

Millions of Ukrainian men dodged the draft because they don’t want to fight a dumb pointless war for land in eastern Ukraine that has historically belonged to Russia for centuries.

Here's a history lesson for you, son.

Hitler used your exact same excuse to invade the Sudetenland, saying it had belonged to Germany in the past.

After invading and seizing the Sudetenland, Neville Chamberlain got Hitler to sign a piece of paper promising Hitler would make no more land grabs. Chamberlain stupidly bragged he had achieved "peace in our time".

Hitler got a lot of laughs making speeches about appeasers like you and Chamberlain.

And then he seized the rest of Czechoslovakia.

You are a damned fool if you think Putin will stop with Eastern Ukraine, or stop with all of Ukraine.

You have already forgotten Putin's invasion was headed straight for Kyiv when they were beaten back.

You have some serious willful blindness and ignorance of the history of imperialist dictators.

 

[ESay]

At least Biden has the moral character to admit his inability to continue and step aside like a gentleman.

81 million Americans dumped Trump and he threw a coup.

Biden should have had moral characters at the beginning of his first term and openly admit that he would be a one-term president (what was quite obvious for any sane person) and raise a generation of new politicians.