Ukrainian President Zelensky Says He's Open to Ceding Territory to Russia to End War

[sparky]

Giving Putin a corridor to the Black Sea in exchange for guaranteed membership in NATO is worth it.

<IF> Putin buys it......~S~

 

[TimFitz]

A bit of the "Trump effect'', I suspect. Shirley to enrage the left, our comedian friend must understand that he won't have his demands for boatloads of US taxpayer cash and military hardware as he did when he could make demands of Biden-Harris and the democrats who
would jump when the comedian commanded.

Ukrainian President Zelensky Says He's Open to Ceding Territory to Russia to End War

redstate.com

Funny, you left out the NATO membership.

 

[TimFitz]

.. and that "useful idiot" threatened the destruction of Moscow if he invaded..

Russia responds to Donald Trump's alleged threat to strike Moscow

"I said, 'Vladimir, if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard,'" the former president said in an interview.

www.newsweek.com

Uh huh.. that explains everything doesn't it?? Biden lifted these sanctions:

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114185/documents/HHRG-117-GO00-20211028-SD006.pdf

.. that Trump imposed..

Trump blocks Putin’s pipeline with US sanctions

Only weeks away from completion, new US sanctions force Nord Stream 2 contractor to down tools.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

.. Green light #1
Biden ended the shipment of lethal weapons to Ukraine..

White House freezes Ukraine military package that includes lethal weapons

Officials prepped $100 million worth of arms as Russia massed troops on the border, then put it on pause as the Biden-Putin summit approached.

www.politico.com

.. that Trump provided in 2017..

https://thehill.com/policy/international/365906-trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine/

.. Green light #2
Then we had the Afghan withdrawal disaster leaving Americans and billions in equipment behind for the Taliban that got Biden condemned by the UK:

UK lawmakers condemn PM Johnson and U.S. President Biden over Afghanistan

British lawmakers vented their anger on Wednesday at Prime Minister Boris Johnson and U.S. President Joe Biden over the collapse of Afghanistan into Taliban hands, calling it a failure of intelligence, leadership and moral duty.

www.reuters.com

.. Green light #3
I guess Putin did get what he wanted.. but it wasn't from the so called "useful idiot"

Not really. Putin wanted all of Ukraine. he was planning on using it as a stepping off point to bring the Iron Curtsin back down, and restore the Russian/Soviet empire.

 

[Hellokitty]

Putin of course started planning the invasion while his useful idiot was president. He thought his useful idiot would weaken the western alliances. Biden and our allies quickly proved him wrong.

Completely agree, no doubt Putin planned the Ukraine land grab during the "flexible" Obama years.

 

[luiza]

Seems Mr Z places a lot of faith in NATO here ~S~

Somedays he trips right out of his little mind in his little body .

Such an absurd position that it does not warrant serious comment .

 

[Hellokitty]

If there was anything that could have been done by Trump that would yield positive results for America, Biden would have done it as ordered by the Pentagon.

Changing the US figurehead acting as president isn't going to make any difference.

It's about time Americans understand that a goofy president or a senile one don't run wars.

Risking America's future on those two fkn idiots??

Perhaps that's because other presidents have always appointed insider institution careemen to run the Pentagon.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A bit of the "Trump effect'', I suspect. Shirley to enrage the left, our comedian friend must understand that he won't have his demands for boatloads of US taxpayer cash and military hardware as he did when he could make demands of Biden-Harris and the democrats who
would jump when the comedian commanded.

That's because they want to handover that boatload of US taxpayer cash to Nazinyahu.

 

[Hollie]

That's because they want to handover that boatload of US taxpayer cash to Nazinyahu.

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nothing to do with the thread topic you silly spammer. Go pound your Koran somewhere else.

 

[Hollie]

Funny, you left out the NATO membership.

Funny, you never granted the NATO membership.

 

[Hollie]

Putin of course started planning the invasion while his useful idiot was president. He thought his useful idiot would weaken the western alliances. Biden and our allies quickly proved him wrong.

You Putin worshippers will dream up all sorts of goofy conspiracy theories to defend your senile Putin enabler, ole' Stumblebum.

 

[sparky]

Such an absurd position that it does not warrant serious comment .

I suspect Mr Z is realizing that his supporters are balking, and his political adversaries within Ukraine have an opportunity to gain ground because of it 'Lu

~S~

 

[Nobody911]

A bit of the "Trump effect'', I suspect. Shirley to enrage the left, our comedian friend must understand that he won't have his demands for boatloads of US taxpayer cash and military hardware as he did when he could make demands of Biden-Harris and the democrats who
would jump when the comedian commanded.

Ukrainian President Zelensky Says He's Open to Ceding Territory to Russia to End War

redstate.com

■■■Salem Media Group owns RedState.com. The site was acquired in 2014 as part of Salem's purchase of Eagle Publishing, which included other conservative media properties like Regnery Publishing and Human Events. RedState has since been integrated into Salem's portfolio, which focuses on conservative content across various platforms, including radio and digital media[1][2][4].

Sources:
[1] 'Mass firing' at conservative site RedState
[2] Salem Communications' Acquisition of Eagle Publishing Creates Conservative Multi-Media Powerhouse
[3] The Sin Spinners
[4] RedState - Wikipedia
[5] Salem Media Pivots, Sells Assets to Recover
[6] Salem Media Pivots, Sells Assets to Recover - Inside The Valley | Los Angeles Business Journal
[7] My How Time Flies: Twenty Years of RedState
[8] Salem Media Acquires PJ Media


■■■Salem Media Group has faced criticism primarily for its promotion of conspiracy theories, particularly regarding the 2020 election. The company recently apologized and ceased distribution of the film 2000 Mules, which falsely accused a Georgia man of voter fraud, after he sued for defamation, claiming the film damaged his reputation and safety[1][2]. Additionally, Salem has struggled financially, selling assets to manage debt and facing a significant drop in advertising revenue, which further highlights its challenges in maintaining credibility and stability in the media landscape [3][4].

Any other sources? I don't believe this Salem media group. Sorry!

Sources:
[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/31/media/salem-will-stop-distributing-2000-mules/index.html
[2] https://www.democracydocket.com/new...g-2020-election-conspiracy-film-amid-lawsuit/
[3] Salem Media Pivots, Sells Assets to Recover - Inside The Valley | Los Angeles Business Journal
[4] https://investor.salemmedia.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/847/salem-media-statement
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_Media_Group
[6] https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/episodes/on-the-media-is-lying-on-radio-legal
[7] https://protectdemocracy.org/work/statement-issued-by-salem-media-group-apologizing-to-mark-andrews/
[8] The Sin Spinners

 

[Hollie]

■■■Salem Media Group owns RedState.com. The site was acquired in 2014 as part of Salem's purchase of Eagle Publishing, which included other conservative media properties like Regnery Publishing and Human Events. RedState has since been integrated into Salem's portfolio, which focuses on conservative content across various platforms, including radio and digital media[1][2][4].

Sources:
[1] 'Mass firing' at conservative site RedState
[2] Salem Communications' Acquisition of Eagle Publishing Creates Conservative Multi-Media Powerhouse
[3] The Sin Spinners
[4] RedState - Wikipedia
[5] Salem Media Pivots, Sells Assets to Recover
[6] Salem Media Pivots, Sells Assets to Recover - Inside The Valley | Los Angeles Business Journal
[7] My How Time Flies: Twenty Years of RedState
[8] Salem Media Acquires PJ Media


■■■Salem Media Group has faced criticism primarily for its promotion of conspiracy theories, particularly regarding the 2020 election. The company recently apologized and ceased distribution of the film 2000 Mules, which falsely accused a Georgia man of voter fraud, after he sued for defamation, claiming the film damaged his reputation and safety[1][2]. Additionally, Salem has struggled financially, selling assets to manage debt and facing a significant drop in advertising revenue, which further highlights its challenges in maintaining credibility and stability in the media landscape [3][4].

Any other sources? I don't believe this Salem media group. Sorry!

Sources:
[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/31/media/salem-will-stop-distributing-2000-mules/index.html
[2] Salem Media Group Stops Distributing 2020 Election Conspiracy Film Amid Lawsuit
[3] Salem Media Pivots, Sells Assets to Recover - Inside The Valley | Los Angeles Business Journal
[4] Salem Media Statement
[5] Salem Media Group - Wikipedia
[6] Is Lying On the Radio...Legal? | On the Media | WNYC Studios
[7] Statement issued by Salem Media Group apologizing to Mark Andrews - Protect Democracy
[8] The Sin Spinners

Sorry to see your world come crashing down but when your sources include CNN and something called sin spinners and wiki, I don't accept such conspiracy theory addled cutting and pasting.
Sorry!

 

[TimFitz]

You Putin worshippers will dream up all sorts of goofy conspiracy theories to defend your senile Putin enabler, ole' Stumblebum.

You’re the Putin enabler here. Trump disciples are all useful idiots.

 

[Hollie]

You’re the Putin enabler here. Trump disciples are all useful idiots.

Aww. Your feelings were hurt.

 

[para bellum]

Putin of course started planning the invasion while his useful idiot was president. He thought his useful idiot would weaken the western alliances. Biden and our allies quickly proved him wrong.

That's a joke. Putin waited for over a year after Biden took office to invade Ukraine.

Biden has been completely cowed from the start. He waited until after the Ukrainians pushed the Russians back from Kiev and Sumy, it took 6 months for Biden to send Ukraine any weapons to fight back. And when he finally did, they were monkey models- stripped of their precision targeting capability.

He first said "no tanks, that would be an act of war". Then he finally provided 31 tanks. He blocked the MiG-29's and F-16's for a year or more.

Offensive weapons provided by Biden- 31 M1A1 tanks, 39 M-142 HIMARS launchers, 18 M-109A6 Self propelled howitzers, a couple hundred towed howitzers M-777 and L-118. Whoopee, it only took almost 3 years for that...

Lots of truck and APC's and Humvees, and he trickled in ammunition to keep the Ukrainians shooting. But Biden is not, and never was committed to a Ukrainian victory. His strategy has been to let Ukraine bleed Russia, and that's all, no matter how many Ukrainians are killed in the process.

Your attempt to portray Biden and NATO as the "tough guys" is totally pathetic. Ukraine survived because her immediate neighbors, the former comblock eastern European countries, stepped up to the plate. Western European Countries and the US have consistently been the last to the party.

 

[TimFitz]

That's a joke. Putin waited for over a year after Biden took office to invade Ukraine.

Biden has been completely cowed from the start. He waited until after the Ukrainians pushed the Russians back from Kiev and Sumy, it took 6 months for Biden to send Ukraine any weapons to fight back. And when he finally did, they were monkey models- stripped of their precision targeting capability.

He first said "no tanks, that would be an act of war". Then he finally provided 31 tanks. He blocked the MiG-29's and F-16's for a year or more.

Offensive weapons provided by Biden- 31 M1A1 tanks, 39 M-142 HIMARS launchers, 18 M-109A6 Self propelled howitzers, a couple hundred towed howitzers M-777 and L-118. Whoopee, it only took almost 3 years for that...

Lots of truck and APC's and Humvees, and he trickled in ammunition to keep the Ukrainians shooting. But Biden is not, and never was committed to a Ukrainian victory. His strategy has been to let Ukraine bleed Russia, and that's all, no matter how many Ukrainians are killed in the process.

Your attempt to portray Biden and NATO as the "tough guys" is totally pathetic. Ukraine survived because her immediate neighbors, the former comblock eastern European countries, stepped up to the plate. Western European Countries and the US have consistently been the last to the party.

yes, and Republicans fought him every step of the way.

The world cheered when Biden announced that the U.S. would step up. Your narrative conveniently forgets the way Trump bullied the GOP Congress to bottle up Ukraine aid for a year.

Now, Putin wants Trump to betray Kiev.

 

[para bellum]

yes, and Republicans fought him every step of the way.

The world cheered when Biden announced that the U.S. would step up. Your narrative conveniently forgets the way Trump bullied the GOP Congress to bottle up Ukraine aid for a year.

Now, Putin wants Trump to betray Kiev.

Republicans did not fight Biden every step of the way, and the aid to Ukraine passed the Congress easily with GOP support. In fact, several republicans (like Mike McCaul, who was chairman of the House Foreign Affiars Cmte) were very critical of Biden for his weak response.

Trump had no say over what republicans in Congress did, he was not in power.

Try harder.

 

[TimFitz]

Republicans did not fight Biden every step of the way, and the aid to Ukraine passed the Congress easily with GOP support. In fact, several republicans (like Mike McCaul, who was chairman of the House Foreign Affiars Cmte) were very critical of Biden for his weak response.

Trump had no say over what republicans in Congress did, he was not in power.

Try harder.

I don’t know what planet you were visiting, or whether you’ve developed the popular right wing disease of convenient memory loss, but GOP opposition was constant for a greater or lessor degree throughout the Biden Administration. Trump publicly supported the invasion and the Russians. So, taking his cue, they started throwing sand in the legislative gears. Finally, Trump all but publicly demand that Congreess withorld Ukranian aid, and they did. For months, until Johnson became speaker.

Google it. you’ll only get a few million hits!

 

[para bellum]

I don’t know what planet you were visiting, or whether you’ve developed the popular right wing disease of convenient memory loss, but GOP opposition was constant for a greater or lessor degree throughout the Biden Administration. Trump publicly supported the invasion and the Russians. So, taking his cue, they started throwing sand in the legislative gears. Finally, Trump all but publicly demand that Congreess withorld Ukranian aid, and they did. For months, until Johnson became speaker.

Google it. you’ll only get a few million hits!

I am not going to waste the time explaining reality to a TDS afflicted fool. There have been numerous bills on aid to Ukraine and every one of them has passed with broad bipartisan support, and every attempt to strip the bills for funding for Ukraine failed overwhelmingly.

The objections from republicans have been mostly related to accountability measures that republicans wanted, like an Inspector General to audit where the money went. These efforts were blocked by dems every time, were never permitted, and there is still no accountability for that money today. There were attempts to add some border security measures and things like that, which were always defeated.

This is a CRS report on funding for Ukraine through FY24. It lists the bills, amendments, and votes. If you take the time to read it, you will find that every funding bill for Ukraine has passed both houses of Congress with broad bipartisan support.

That is all the proof I need to back up my point, and I do not care about what some journo says "Trump said this or Trump said that", or how you interpret it. I am not interested in your feelz. I am interested in the facts, and this report is the facts.

Pay particular attention to the amendments that are specific to Ukraine, since the broad spending bills like the NDAA's are NOT Ukraine specific. The amendments that attempt to block Ukraine funding show the real levels of support vis-a-vis Ukraine, viewed in isolation.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R48195