Ukraine's Counter-Offensive Failed - Now it is Time to Negotiate Peace

[mamooth]

Are you going to leave the Board when Ukraine surrenders?

Only the Putinsucker commies here are begging for a cease-fire.

Winners don't beg for ceasefire.

Yes, I am pointing out that the Putinsuckers here are desperate.

 

[Lord Long Rod]

Um, he kinda said he didn't know what was going on in Ukraine, just what the press and government say,so it is fact rather than opinion.

What?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only the Putinsucker commies here are begging for a cease-fire.

Winners don't beg for ceasefire.

Yes, I am pointing out that the Putinsuckers here are desperate.

Pimp for the Satanic Globalusts says what?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are you if Kiev doesn't fall at the end of this year?

Kiev is already finished! They’re out of young men to throw at Russian defenses!

 

[ESay]

Kiev is already finished! They’re out of young men to throw at Russian defenses!

No, dude, don't play these silly games. If the Russians don't take Kiev till this year's end, will you leave this board?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Does Ukraine need to compromise?

Kyiv's sovereignty has always been in American hands

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We could force the Ukraine-Russia war to a conclusion by cutting off help to Ukraine. Ukraine has finally been exposed to reality. Without American arms they could not have gotten as far as they have. But, the time for a realistic appraisal of the situation is not due.

Ukraine will not beat Russia and expel their troops from their land. It is not going to happen. Continuing to piss away America resources on their fight will only prolong the inevitable: A Russian victory, though only after many more months of war and death. At this point the USA has leverage to pull the funding in order to get Zelinsky to the table. Likewise, if Russia refuses to negotiate, then we threaten to prolong the war with more aid to Ukraine. Right now is the one time we can use our newfound leverage to bring the war to a close.

Will Zelinsky have to compromise? Yes. He will lose land, especially the areas where ethnic Russian populations are great and the land bridge to Crimea. Will Putin compromise? Yes, he will have to. In exchange for Ukraine ceding him territory, he will have to pull out of the remainder of Ukraine and immediately cease to threaten Ukraine. There should also be a multilateral peace keeping force sent in to protect the ethnic Russians from Ukraine so that Putin cannot use that as a pretext to another invasion. The multilateral force should be there for at least 10 years.

This is real life shit. You can fight on based on principle until all of your people are dead if you want. It does not mean you will win. Concessions should be made in lieu of more death and destruction to both sides.

It took the nascent USA EIGHT YEARS to expel the British. I wouldn’t be surprised if it took Ukraine a similar amount of time to expel Russia.

 

[scruffy]

Why should Russia accept anything the US offers? There is literally no reason for Russia to trust the Biden administration as long as people like Nuland are still around. The best the US can do is simply cut and run. Ukraine was never our problem, it's a European problem, let them handle it. We have our own problems, and play acting a continuation of the Cold War isn't a viable use of our resources.

The Democrats are protecting their source of corruption.

 

[scruffy]

It took the nascent USA EIGHT YEARS to expel the British. I wouldn’t be surprised if it took Ukraine a similar amount of time to expel Russia.

Expel Russia?

No one's ever done that, ever in history.

The best you get from the Russians, is voluntary withdrawal. Like in Afghanistan.

I don't think you'll get that in Ukraine

 

[AZrailwhale]

Expel Russia?

No one's ever done that, ever in history.

The best you get from the Russians, is voluntary withdrawal. Like in Afghanistan.

I don't think you'll get that in Ukraine

The Russians were expelled from Afghanistan. By the time they left, their puppet government barely controlled Kabul, the rebels controlled the rest of the country. Russian troops couldn’t poke their heads out of the city without getting slaughtered. When we invaded Afghanistan, the countryside was littered by the wrecks of Russian tanks, trucks, APCs and helicopters.

 

[scruffy]

The Russians were expelled from Afghanistan. By the time they left, their puppet government barely controlled Kabul, the rebels controlled the rest of the country. Russian troops couldn’t poke their heads out of the city without getting slaughtered. When we invaded Afghanistan, the countryside was littered by the wrecks of Russian tanks, trucks, APCs and helicopters.

So now it's American hummvees and RPG's.

I'm surprised that idiot Biden hasn't sent them planeloads of cash yet.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, dude, don't play these silly games. If the Russians don't take Kiev till this year's end, will you leave this board?

They never wanted Kiev!

Ukraine is all done. They have no one left to serve as cannon fodder. Best thing would be for a few armed companies of Ukrainian men to topple the absolutely corrupt regime in Kiev and make peace like they should have done in March 22

Same thing the People in California, Texas and Arizona need to do to handle our lawless, corrupt government that allows an invasion

 

[ESay]

They never wanted Kiev!

Ukraine is all done. They have no one left to serve as cannon fodder. Best thing would be for a few armed companies of Ukrainian men to topple the absolutely corrupt regime in Kiev and make peace like they should have done in March 22

And you didn't make such predictions some months ago?

 

[mamooth]

Ukraine is all done. They have no one left to serve as cannon fodder. Best thing would be for a few armed companies of Ukrainian men to topple the absolutely corrupt regime in Kiev and make peace like they should have done in March 22

The Russian army's "leave no 4-year-old unraped" policy is especially attractive to violent fascist pervs of all sorts.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Russian army's "leave no 4-year-old unraped" policy is especially attractive to violent fascist pervs of all sorts.

We know you lie and we know you're insane. You support the human trafficking on our southern "border" I do not

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And you didn't make such predictions some months ago?

I think I said the would take everything East of the Dnieper

Kiev will become East Poland

 

[ESay]

I think I said the would take everything East of the Dnieper

Perfect. If they won't, will you GTFO of this board?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Perfect. If they won't, will you GTFO of this board?

No...I don't control the weather

Besides, the strategy has been "let Zelen$ky win for us"

 

[ESay]

No...I don't control the weather

No, because you are lying, ignorant and dishonest shit.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

NATO is running out of ammo and Ukraine is running out of Ukrainians.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The USA lost 58,000 in Vietnam over a period of 8 years; Zelen$ky, Biden and the WEF have gotten over 400,000 of Ukraine best young men killed in 20 MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If that were here they'd (should) be blood in the streets in protest