Ukraine Troops Trapped In Pokrovsk

[Zavulon]

Evidence? Nazi documents seized after the war say you're just making stuff up.

Man, it's just a natural thing. If you both are pretending on a different parts of the same things - is it Ukraine (for Poland and Russia), Silesia (for Germany and Poland), Poland (for Germany and Russia), Europe (for America and Russia) you need some kind of mutual understanding and, better, a written (even if secret) agreement. If you don't have one, the risk of the things going terribly wrong becames too significant. So it is you who have a burden of proof that Germans and Poles have never discussed (even secretly) future of former Czechoslovakia, protection of human rights of ethnic Germans and Poles and territorial claims of each other.

Poor rewrite of history (unsupported by any evidence BTW). Hitler was determined to wage war, regardless of what any other country said or did (read Mein Kampf). No one trusted Stalin any more than they trusted Hitler.

Ok. For starters I'd recommend you to read any historical research, like, say, Herman Kahn "On thermonuclear war":

So, the clear determination of Britain, Czechoslovakia, France and Russia to fight the war (if necessary), demonstrated at May 19-22 of 1938 actually deterred Germany. And even if the war were started back in May 1938, the allies had had much better position to fight Germany and win the war with much lesser losses.

 

[Litwin]

Well, I’m guessing the folks in Pokrovsk do.

But, yeah, Ukraine’s definitely waaaay at the bottom of the news cycle at this point

Girkin:

 

[alang1216]

Man, it's just a natural thing. If you both are pretending on a different parts of the same things - is it Ukraine (for Poland and Russia), Silesia (for Germany and Poland), Poland (for Germany and Russia), Europe (for America and Russia) you need some kind of mutual understanding and, better, a written (even if secret) agreement. If you don't have one, the risk of the things going terribly wrong becames too significant. So it is you who have a burden of proof that Germans and Poles have never discussed (even secretly) future of former Czechoslovakia, protection of human rights of ethnic Germans and Poles and territorial claims of each other.

What I wrote comes from the transcripts of the Nuremburg trials after the war. Russia was a participant.

So, the clear determination of Britain, Czechoslovakia, France and Russia to fight the war (if necessary), demonstrated at May 19-22 of 1938 actually deterred Germany. And even if the war were started back in May 1938, the allies had had much better position to fight Germany and win the war with much lesser losses.

Hitler was not deterred, only delayed. He was a master manipulator and waited until he had managed to drive a wedge between the allies. There was never a moment Hitler was not going to attack Poland and then Russia.

 

[Zavulon]

What I wrote comes from the transcripts of the Nuremburg trials after the war. Russia was a participant.

And it is more face-saving position, rather than real study of every participants pre-war strategy.
I'm almost sure, that if we all play our cards more or less right (and the USA still exist after WW3) they will say, that the only guilty side was Germany, who started WW3 in 2019 by a starting biological war against China and the whole world, and the American part of the war will be named The Third Revolutionary war, in which good Americans have been fighting against Evil European Yoke.

Hitler was not deterred, only delayed. He was a master manipulator and waited until he had managed to drive a wedge between the allies. There was never a moment Hitler was not going to attack Poland and then Russia.

Don't make some kind of Dark Lord from him. He was just a typical European politician, not much different from Chamberlain, Churchill, Mussolini, Pilsudski and others. And, as you could read in the quote, the story had started with a British provocation. Anyway. The Brits wanted him to attack Russia, and this was the main reason why they have betrayed most of their allies and had fed them to Germany. Europe with strong Germany and occupied Russia seemed to them (significant part of them) more preferable option, than Europe controlled by Russia-Czechosovakia-France-Britain alliance and with destroyed Germany.
Paraphrasing Kissenger a bit, it may be dangerous to an enemy of Britain, but beeing it's ally is fatal.

 

[alang1216]

And it is more face-saving position, rather than real study of every participants pre-war strategy.
I'm almost sure, that if we all play our cards more or less right (and the USA still exist after WW3) they will say, that the only guilty side was Germany, who started WW3 in 2019 by a starting biological war against China and the whole world, and the American part of the war will be named The Third Revolutionary war, in which good Americans have been fighting against Evil European Yoke.

Pure fantasy

Don't make some kind of Dark Lord from him. He was just a typical European politician, not much different from Chamberlain, Churchill, Mussolini, Pilsudski and others. And, as you could read in the quote, the story had started with a British provocation. Anyway. The Brits wanted him to attack Russia, and this was the main reason why they have betrayed most of their allies and had fed them to Germany. Europe with strong Germany and occupied Russia seemed to them (significant part of them) more preferable option, than Europe controlled by Russia-Czechosovakia-France-Britain alliance and with destroyed Germany.
Paraphrasing Kissenger a bit, it may be dangerous to an enemy of Britain, but beeing it's ally is fatal.

Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin wanted war so they could establish their empire. The Brits and France were more peaceable since they already had their empires. If they Brits wanted Hitler to invade Russia why would they declare war when he invaded Poland? They also repeatedly warned Stalin about Hitler's intention to invade.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

he is honest and Russian trolls and bots, like you, are not.

Humming a Hymn to Huma

Opposed by Globaltrolls and Sorosobots, like you.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

LOL. Don't you live in the UK?

United Qaedadom

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's been going on since just after the war when the CIA were arming former Bandera thugs and Ukrainian collaborators to carry out acts of terrorism against the Soviet Union.

We might as well be posting about the Czars if we keep on referencing the defunct Soviet Union

 

[Deadstick]

We might as well be posting about the Czars if we keep on referencing the defunct Soviet Union

Just saying how long they have been at it.

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[Zavulon]

Pure fantasy

There is WW3 about to start. Somebody will win it. Somebody will lose it. The winner take it all. The losers will pay for everything and the losers will be blamed in everything. If America (official or unofficial America) and Russia (official or unofficial) are both on winning side they'll blame someone else (someone weak and defeated) in the starting of the WW3. Someone like the EU and specifically Germany.

Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin wanted war so they could establish their empire.

People don't want wars. People want more money and safety. And sometimes the war is just the best possible way to achieve those goals.

The Brits and France were more peaceable since they already had their empires.

Of course no. If you are rich and powerful - you still wants more. Much more. And if you have more opportunities - you have more responsibilities.

If they Brits wanted Hitler to invade Russia why would they declare war when he invaded Poland?

First of all, there were different groups in British government. Some of them "pro-European" and some of them "pro-American" (both, of course, more or less selfish).
Basically, I suppose, they wanted to feed not only Poland, but also France to him. And France wouldn't declare war without Britain.
So, I'm just guessing, but it is informed guess, some groups of British elites has mutual understanding with Germany, about Germany defeating France, Russia and than, making mutually acceptable peace with Britain. May be, this is was why Germany allowed British forces to be evacuated from Dunkirk and why Germany made a suicidal attemt to attack Russia before defeating the UK. It was not only France who played Phoney war, it was Britain too.

They also repeatedly warned Stalin about Hitler's intention to invade.

They wanted Russia to attack Germany. And in the very same time they have been planning attacks against Russian oil fields in Baku.

 

[BackAgain]

Meanwhile, Zelensky bought a ranch for $79.5 million. Ukrainian presidents earn a good salary...
That's fine, as long as he kills Russians.

The publicly available officer list (via the registry snapshot) names one person: Elina Botusanska, listed as both director and secretary.

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Elina leads a busy life. And there is some nexus apparently between her, her holding company and Zelenskyyyy.

But he is not the buyer for that Ranch.

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[krichton]

Meanwhile, Zelensky bought a ranch for $79.5 million. Ukrainian presidents earn a good salary...
That's fine, as long as he kills Russians.

Thanks for passing along the Russian propaganda comrade, your check is in the mail!

 

[Ringo]

Thanks for passing along the Russian propaganda comrade, your check is in the mail!

More russian propaganda for you, comrade.

 

[Ringo]

Thanks for passing along the Russian propaganda comrade, your check is in the mail!

Bridgewater Associates founder Dalio: “60% of the population (in the US) reads below a fourth-grade level (in Russia), and it's hard for them to be productive.”

And you can sell them anything, even democracy in fascist Ukraine. That's why the world is in such deep shit. The bourgeoisie destroyed education with their greed.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Just saying how long they have been at it.

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Fratboys and Nutty Professors

Why was the C"I"A so ineffective, when the Soviets picked up China, Cuba, Southeast Asia, Angola, and the Middle East?

 

[Ringo]

 

[alang1216]

People don't want wars. People want more money and safety. And sometimes the war is just the best possible way to achieve those goals.

Leaders want glory, power, and immortality

First of all, there were different groups in British government. Some of them "pro-European" and some of them "pro-American" (both, of course, more or less selfish).

No. One group dreamed of peace with Hitler, the other realized that was impossible

Basically, I suppose, they wanted to feed not only Poland, but also France to him. And France wouldn't declare war without Britain.
So, I'm just guessing, but it is informed guess, some groups of British elites has mutual understanding with Germany, about Germany defeating France, Russia and than, making mutually acceptable peace with Britain. May be, this is was why Germany allowed British forces to be evacuated from Dunkirk and why Germany made a suicidal attemt to attack Russia before defeating the UK. It was not only France who played Phoney war, it was Britain too.

No. The Nuremberg papers show Dunkirk and Barbarosa were Hitler's folley. France was defeatist and Brits were building up their forces.

They wanted Russia to attack Germany. And in the very same time they have been planning attacks against Russian oil fields in Baku.

Everyone except Stalin knew Germany would attack Russia. It was Germany that needed oil so the Brits desperately wanted Russia to keep the fields.

 

[Deadstick]

Fratboys and Nutty Professors

Why was the C"I"A so ineffective, when the Soviets picked up China, Cuba, Southeast Asia, Angola, and the Middle East?

Not sure what you mean by picked up?

 

[krichton]

Bridgewater Associates founder Dalio: “60% of the population (in the US) reads below a fourth-grade level (in Russia), and it's hard for them to be productive.”

And you can sell them anything, even democracy in fascist Ukraine. That's why the world is in such deep shit. The bourgeoisie destroyed education with their greed.

 

[Ringo]