UK Non-Jewish High Commander - IDF Went Beyond Call of Duty to Protect Pal Civilians

[GHook93]

See douche bags like Shogie and Sunni will lie and condemn Israel. They will cry out the fallacy of dispropriate force. A misnormer in itself, because they would cry foul if Israel allowed Sderot residents to start firing dozens upon dozens of daily missiles and MORTARS at random targets in Gaza. The faces are this.

(1) There is no explanation beyond a person being an ANTI-SEMITE, to argue that Israel had no right to respond to a thousands of missiles and MORTARS being fired at Israel for over a year on a daily basis! If you say they had no right to respond then you are an Antisemite!
(2) There is no such thing as proportionate force! Its a liberal lie! Disproportionate force is one side defeating the other. Would liberals be OK with Sderot residents firing dozens upon dozens of daily missiles and mortar at random targets in Gaza! Heck the hypocritical liberal would scream louder than they do against justified Cast lead
(3) Hamas (along with Hezbollah) launches their missiles from civilian locations: (a) in the heart of cities, (b) on top of apartment building, (c) from hospitals and (d) even from school court-yards
(4) Hamas (along with Hezbollah) store their bombs and missiles in hospitals, civilian homes, schools and hospitals. They willingly make them targets!
(5) Hamas (along with Hezbollah) plan "civilians" at locations when the media come to tell grand stories of the major inhumanity of the IDF! These are preplanned propaganda events.
(6) Hamas (along with Hezbollah) always keep children close by, because 1 dead child dozen more than killing 1000 IDF soldiers
(7) The the Hamas (along with Hezbollah) terrorist do not wear uniforms. Rather they try to make themselves look like civilians to blend in. This increases civilian causalities, since fighters and civilians look identical.
(8) Hamas (along with Hezbollah) have perfected using civilians as human shields!
(9) Israel made 100,000 calls warning civilians and dropped over 2 million leaflets! Is the IDF retarded? Yes they warned civilians, but they warned the Hamas terrorists. Boobie-traps can be planted and snipers can get into place. This detrimental act to their operations, but a humanitarian move to lower civilian causalities!
(10) Aborted missions that could have taken out many Hamas military capabilities, in order to reduce collateral damage!
(11) Allowed huge amounts of humanitarian aid to Gaza during the operation. See below that is a huge no-no for any military operation

UNHRC endorses Goldstone's Gaza report | International News | Jerusalem Post

Who is Col Kemp?

"War is chaos and full of mistakes," added the former commander who has served with NATO and the United Nations; commanded troops in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and Macedonia; and participated in the Gulf War. "There have been mistakes by the British, American and other forces in Afghanistan and in Iraq, many of which can be put down to human error. But mistakes are not war crimes

Prior to the vote, Col. Richard Kemp, the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, addressed the UN session, and said that based on his knowledge and experience, during Operation Cast Lead the IDF "did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare."

Speaking on behalf of UN Watch, an independent Geneva human rights group, Kemp added that "Israel did so while facing an enemy that deliberately positioned its military capability behind the human shield of the civilian population."

He said that Hamas, like Hizballah, was expert at driving the media agenda.

"Both will always have people ready to give interviews condemning Israeli forces for war crimes," he said. "They are adept at staging and distorting incidents."

"It is the automatic, Pavlovian presumption by many in the international media, and international human rights groups, that the IDF are in the wrong, that they are abusing human rights," continued Kemp. "The truth is that the IDF took extraordinary measures to give Gaza civilians notice of targeted areas, dropping over 2 million leaflets, and making over 100,000 phone calls. Many missions that could have taken out Hamas military capability were aborted to prevent civilian casualties."

He also noted that during the conflict, the IDF took risks by allowing huge amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying that to the military tactician, delivering aid virtually into your enemy's hands is "normally quite unthinkable."

He stressed that the civilian casualties were a consequence of Hamas' way of fighting, saying the terror group deliberately tried to sacrifice their own civilians.

"Israel had no choice apart from defending its people, to stop Hamas from attacking them with rockets," he concluded.

 

[jillian]

we know that, but any second now, you'll get your "one shot, two kills" post from shogie-bear.

 

[GHook93]

we know that, but any second now, you'll get your "one shot, two kills" post from shogie-bear.

Good thing I have the troll on ignore! I haven't read one of his Israeli posts in months!

 

[jillian]

we know that, but any second now, you'll get your "one shot, two kills" post from shogie-bear.

Good thing I have the troll on ignore! I haven't read one of his Israeli posts in months!

I can't be bothered putting anyone on ignore. lol.. and he has his funny moments.

 

[Sunni Man]

we know that, but any second now, you'll get your "one shot, two kills" post from shogie-bear.

Good thing I have the troll on ignore! I haven't read one of his Israeli posts in months!

Typical Zionist Jew response to reality.

Just hide your face and ignore the Truth.

 

[jillian]

says the lying, insane holocaust denier.

 

[Shogun]

Oh look.. zionist jews huddling together and crying about criticism from NON JEWS.





as if his criticism is only valid if he were JEWISH.





Thats right, Jill. OWN IT. Lord fucking knows it was hard to find white supporters for the killers of Emmet Till in the south too. That your common denominator ethnicity is no better than klansmen when crying about criticism cracks me up.





ps, hey nosejob... still pretending that you didn't post on my wall and then BLOCK posts to your wall while crying about someone else doing the same to you? Hows that blank check double standard working out for you?

 

[jillian]

Hi shogie, honey....

*muah*

 

[Shogun]

do you kiss images of dead palis with that mouth, jillian? I thought your breath smelled of blood.


ps... from the JEW POST?


gosh.. I WONDER what their take is on Cast "One Shot, Two Kills" Lead!

 

[Modbert]

IDF is one of the most brutal armies in the world for a reason. They did not go beyond the call of duty. The fact you're trying to defend the IDF shows you truly are ignorant.

Israeli soldiers in Gaza describe a 'moral Twilight Zone' | McClatchy

JERUSALEM — Israeli combat soldiers have acknowledged that they forced Palestinian civilians to serve as human shields, needlessly killed unarmed Gazans and improperly used white phosphorus shells to burn down buildings as part of Israel's three-week military offensive in the Gaza Strip last winter.

More than two dozen soldiers told an Israeli army veterans' group that military commanders led the fighters into what one described as a "moral Twilight Zone" where almost every Palestinian was seen as a threat.

Moral Twilight Zone, doesn't sound very safe to me.

IDF spokeswoman Avital Leibovich said Tuesday that the IDF now is conducting dozens of investigations into troop conduct during the Gaza operation and that more than a dozen cases led to police investigations.

Yes, because I am sure the IDF will admit they were at fault. That's about as likely as the Pope coming out and supporting Gay Marriage.

Yehuda Shaul, a co-founder of Breaking the Silence, said the report didn't identify the soldiers by name because at least half the men quoted were young conscripts who could be jailed for speaking to the media. He agreed, however, to name the units and where they were operating in several instances.

What is this? Jail them for daring to speak the truth of a situation? Sounds like a great Military that is quite open about their actions.

When they complained to their commander about the incident, the soldiers were rebuffed and told that anyone walking at night was immediately suspect.

Michael Sfard, an Israeli human rights attorney who reviewed the testimony, said the stories reflected a "dramatic change in the ethos" of the Israeli military that portrays itself as the most moral army in the world.

"What we are seeing now is a deterioration of our moral values and red lines," Sfard said. "This is a dramatic change in heart and values."

According to the soldiers, the Israeli military fired white phosphorus mortars and artillery shells to set suspicious buildings ablaze and destroyed scores of Palestinian homes for questionable reasons. The white phosphorus supplied by the U.S. is supposed to be used to illuminate targets or provide smoke cover for advancing troops.

How nice, we're helping supply the weapons to burn down innocent civilian homes. But they don't matter because they're brown people right?

One soldier, who served in an infantry reserve unit of the Negev Brigade near Netzarim, said they were repeatedly told by officers to raze buildings as part of a campaign to prepare for "the day after."

"In practical terms, this meant taking a house that is not implicated in any way, that its single sin is the fact that it is situated on top of a hill in the Gaza Strip," said one soldier.

Israeli combatants said they forced Palestinians to search homes for militants and enter buildings ahead of soldiers in direct violation of an Israeli Supreme Court ruling that bars fighters from using civilians as human shields.

Rules? What rules?

One Palestinian, Castro Abed Rabbo, said Israeli soldiers ordered him to enter buildings to search for militants and booby traps before they sent in a specially trained dog with high-tech detection gear.

Well, they certainly do value that dog's life more.

"I was down on my knees and they fanned out in a 'V' behind me," Sami Rashid Mohammed, a Fatah-leaning former Palestinian Authority police officer, said in an unpublished interview in February. "It wasn't more than 10 or 15 minutes of shooting, but it was so scary."

One of the Israeli soldiers interviewed described the offensive was necessary.

"We did what we had to do," he said. "The actual doing was a bit thoughtless. We were allowed to do anything we wanted. Who's to tell us not to?"

And these are from the mouths of soldiers who fought. Now I want you to come back in this thread and try to discredit that.

 

[The Rabbi]

This message is hidden because Shogun is on your ignore list.

Ahhhh. Relief.

Yes, as if anyone needed proof that the Israeli army is more conscious of civilian casualties and collateral damage than almost any other. Unfortunately those who know this need no further proof. Those who deny this will find some other reason why it was fabricated.

 

[Modbert]

Yes, as if anyone needed proof that the Israeli army is more conscious of civilian casualties and collateral damage than almost any other. Unfortunately those who know this need no further proof. Those who deny this will find some other reason why it was fabricated.

Do you actually believe the bullshit you spew? No wonder Shogun mercilessly rips people like you. Just straight out ignorance and denying it if it isn't Pro-Israel. Truth hurts, doesn't it?

 

[Sunni Man]

says the.... insane holocaust denier.

Being a Psychologist I have poured over the APA's literature on mental disorders.

Much to to the chagrin of Jillian and other rabid zionists.

Denial of the so called Holocaust is NOT listed as a disorder.

 

[GHook93]

I smell a rat! Yes a small, well in the red, leftwing, US paper from CA is going to get all this access that none of the big world newspapers are going to get!

Always the case when small news agencies make huge accusations that aren't easily disprovable say, "We couldn't get one person to go on record out of a few dozens! We couldn't even get a rank or background on the person!" Typical of the liar's oath!

Yehuda Shaul, a co-founder of Breaking the Silence, said the report didn't identify the soldiers by name because at least half the men quoted were young conscripts who could be jailed for speaking to the media. He agreed, however, to name the units and where they were operating in several instances.

No wonderleftist newspapers are dying, because not even the left believes their bullshit!

Dogshit the leftist oath to protect Islamofacists to the bitter end, will bite you on the ass! When they don't need the left anymore they will turn on you like a black widow!

 

[Shogun]

This message is hidden because Shogun is on your ignore list.

Ahhhh. Relief.

Yes, as if anyone needed proof that the Israeli army is more conscious of civilian casualties and collateral damage than almost any other. Unfortunately those who know this need no further proof. Those who deny this will find some other reason why it was fabricated.

hey, clearly APARTHEID WALLS ARE THE ZIONIST WAY!

 

[GHook93]

says the.... insane holocaust denier.

Being a Psychologist I have poured over the APA's literature on mental disorders.

Much to to the chagrin of Jillian and other rabid zionists.

Denial of the so called Holocaust is NOT listed as a disorder.

Your not a psychologist you lying fuck! Guaranteed you 30 yr old virigin living out of your parent's basement!

 

[Shogun]

says the.... insane holocaust denier.

Being a Psychologist I have poured over the APA's literature on mental disorders.

Much to to the chagrin of Jillian and other rabid zionists.

Denial of the so called Holocaust is NOT listed as a disorder.

Your not a psychologist you lying fuck! Guaranteed you 30 yr old virigin living out of your parent's basement!

blah blah blah.. And you are not an investment banker, ya walking ponzi scheme.

 

[Sunni Man]

Your not a psychologist you lying fuck! Guaranteed you 30 yr old virigin living out of your parent's basement!

Heck, I wish I was 30 again!!!

But thanks anyway.

After Vietnam I qualified for the G.I. Bill

Psychology was the field that interested me the most; so I went for it.

 

[Colin]

we know that, but any second now, you'll get your "one shot, two kills" post from shogie-bear.

Good thing I have the troll on ignore! I haven't read one of his Israeli posts in months!

Typical Zionist Jew response to reality.

Just hide your face and ignore the Truth.

And the typical response from a muslim. Works both ways, you know.

 

[Modbert]

I smell a rat! Yes a small, well in the red, leftwing, US paper from CA is going to get all this access that none of the big world newspapers are going to get!

Always the case when small news agencies make huge accusations that aren't easily disprovable say, "We couldn't get one person to go on record out of a few dozens! We couldn't even get a rank or background on the person!" Typical of the liar's oath!

Yehuda Shaul, a co-founder of Breaking the Silence, said the report didn't identify the soldiers by name because at least half the men quoted were young conscripts who could be jailed for speaking to the media. He agreed, however, to name the units and where they were operating in several instances.

No wonderleftist newspapers are dying, because not even the left believes their bullshit!

Dogshit the leftist oath to protect Islamofacists to the bitter end, will bite you on the ass! When they don't need the left anymore they will turn on you like a black widow!

What the fuck are you smoking. The report didn't identify the soldiers identities for their SAFETY. Because the IDF would have them arrested or worse by actually speaking out against these atrocities. Instead of attacking the source and trying to drag my name falsely through the mud, address my arguments. Right now, you look like a pitiful creature or least more than usual.

Besides, they are naming the units and where they were operating in more than several cases. You fucking hack.