U.S. Officials rethink hopes for Iraq Democracy

[Ruby]

We didnt turn it into chaos---they did. It's not the fault of the US that Sunnis and Shias kill each other unless some dictator kills em first.

You are truly completely disconnected from reality. We most certainly did turn that nation into one of chaos and destruction.

 

[Diuretic]

DOH--it happened because we killed the "warden" and the prison doors swung open. They all could have gone home and chilled but NOOOOOOOOO. They just HAD to go back killing each other. Dont' try to blame their blood thirsty hatred on America.

You opened the prison. And you had no plan to deal with the prisoners that were released (just extending your metaphor).


Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. That explains the current situation nicely.

 

[maineman]

Please stop with the "real enemies" shit. Our real enemy is radical Islam who thinks it's heroic to go blow up a bunch of women and children. Iraq is in the HEART of radical islam as evidenced by them all murdering each other to see which one should be the head radical.

anyone who thinks that arab nationalists are the same as extreme wahabbists really ought to go swim in the kiddie pool.

The goals aspirations and philosophies of sunnis and shiites fighting a turf war for economic and political control over Iraqi national territory is not at all similar to the wahabbism and qutbism practiced by our "real enemies".

 

[Ruby]

How do you know it wasn't our real intent to pit muslim against muslim? I personally think its a great idea.

You just get worse and worse. There dosent seem to be much limit to the inhumane death, murder and destruction you support and advocate.

 

[Shogun]

So.. How 'bout that Kurdistan, eh?


could be a step in the right direction.

 

[Gunny]

You are truly completely disconnected from reality. We most certainly did turn that nation into one of chaos and destruction.

Another wannabe intellectually superior comment from the perch.

 

[Gunny]

You just get worse and worse. There dosent seem to be much limit to the inhumane death, murder and destruction you support and advocate.

Little closer to dealing with reality than your "We Are the World" mentality.

 

[dilloduck]

You just get worse and worse. There dosent seem to be much limit to the inhumane death, murder and destruction you support and advocate.

There most certainly IS a limit---they stop---we stop.

 

[DeadCanDance]

There most certainly IS a limit---they stop---we stop.

Prior to your invasion of iraq, iraqis weren't attacking us.

In fact, I don't think there's ever been a documented terrorist attack on americans involving iraqi citizens.

You attacked the wrong people, moron. And let the people who DID attack us, get away.

 

[dilloduck]

Prior to your invasion of iraq, iraqis weren't attacking us.

In fact, I don't think there's ever been a documented terrorist attack on americans involving iraqi citizens.

You attacked the wrong people, moron. And let the people who DID attack us, get away.

Keep that narrow focus on who our enemy is. Your wiggle room is nearly gone unless you wanna play silly ass games like "truth". Ask anyone who met with death and torture from Saddam and his kids if we let the wrong guy get away.

( Why do you have pity for people who will not stop shooting each other because they are the wrong brand of Islam ? )

 

[ReillyT]

Your wiggle room is nearly gone unless you wanna play silly ass games like "truth". )

You think "truth" is a silly ass game? Now I see why we are having trouble communicating.

( Why do you have pity for people who will not stop shooting each other because they are the wrong brand of Islam ? )

I thought pity was a Christian virtue:

“You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? (Matthew 5:43-47 )

 

[maineman]

Keep that narrow focus on who our enemy is. Your wiggle room is nearly gone unless you wanna play silly ass games like "truth". Ask anyone who met with death and torture from Saddam and his kids if we let the wrong guy get away.

( Why do you have pity for people who will not stop shooting each other because they are the wrong brand of Islam ? )

Who the people tortured by Saddam think is the enemy, who his kids think is the enemy is of absolutely NO concern to me. I really don't CARE if Iraqis kill each other or not. Your wide focus as to who OUR enemy is is frighteningly uninformed. On one hand, you say "Why do you have pity for people who will not stop shooting each other because they are the wrong brand of Islam?" but yet you think that wasting a half a trillion dollars and 30K dead and wounded Americans in order to referee their fight. If we ought not to care whether they stop shooting each other, why did we care so much about them that we had to free them from the nasty old butcher of baghdad?

The point made is sound: Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11. Iraq was a country run by pan-arab secular ba'athists. They were nearlyas much of an enemy of Al Qaeda as we were. All we have done in Iraq has not made us any safer, only poorer and fewer.

Al Qaeda is just as strong today as they were the day they flew planes into our buildings and we have NOTHING to show for our efforts except planeloads of flag draped coffins and red ink.

 

[dilloduck]

Who the people tortured by Saddam think is the enemy, who his kids think is the enemy is of absolutely NO concern to me. I really don't CARE if Iraqis kill each other or not. Your wide focus as to who OUR enemy is is frighteningly uninformed. On one hand, you say "Why do you have pity for people who will not stop shooting each other because they are the wrong brand of Islam?" but yet you think that wasting a half a trillion dollars and 30K dead and wounded Americans in order to referee their fight. If we ought not to care whether they stop shooting each other, why did we care so much about them that we had to free them from the nasty old butcher of baghdad?

The point made is sound: Iraqis did not attack us on 9/11. Iraq was a country run by pan-arab secular ba'athists. They were nearlyas much of an enemy of Al Qaeda as we were. All we have done in Iraq has not made us any safer, only poorer and fewer.

Al Qaeda is just as strong today as they were the day they flew planes into our buildings and we have NOTHING to show for our efforts except planeloads of flag draped coffins and red ink.

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries. Obsessing about the nationality of individual terrorist is ignorant. They fight for no country. The ideology is also not in a location, nor one man. We have positioned ourselves in Iraq and deposed a dictator in the process. We have a tremendous amount of strageically available territory in Iraq to show for our efforts and thousands of DEAD al qaeda.

 

[Gunny]

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries. Obsessing about the nationality of individual terrorist is ignorant. They fight for no country. The ideology is also not in a location, nor one man. We have positioned ourselves in Iraq and deposed a dictator in the process. We have a tremendous amount of strageically available territory in Iraq to show for our efforts and thousands of DEAD al qaeda.

This just doesn't suit the "It's all Bush's fault" mindset.

 

[maineman]

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries. Obsessing about the nationality of individual terrorist is ignorant. They fight for no country. The ideology is also not in a location, nor one man. We have positioned ourselves in Iraq and deposed a dictator in the process. We have a tremendous amount of strageically available territory in Iraq to show for our efforts and thousands of DEAD al qaeda.

the ideology that is our enemy is wahabbist extremism. It is NOT Islam in general.

So you think we have the right to shock and awe a country, invade it, conquer it, occupy it, and depose its leader, because of location location location? I thought this war was about WMD's? No..wait...I thought this war was about establishing a multicultural jeffersonian democracy..... no wait.... you are saying it was all about wresting control of "strategically available territory"?

I wonder how many Americans would have approved of spending half a trillion dollars and suffering 30K dead and wounded Americans to do THAT while the guys who attacked us are just as powerful as they were, and precisely where they were the day they attacked us nearly six years ago?

 

[ReillyT]

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries. Obsessing about the nationality of individual terrorist is ignorant. They fight for no country. The ideology is also not in a location, nor one man. We have positioned ourselves in Iraq and deposed a dictator in the process. We have a tremendous amount of strageically available territory in Iraq to show for our efforts and thousands of DEAD al qaeda.

I think the point that you are missing, and which Maineman was very clearly stating, is that the ideology in question wasn't prevalent in the country that we attacked. So, if you believe the war was against an ideology, the question then becomes "why attack Iraq?" I think millions of Americans would be surprised to find it was merely to depose a dictator (one of many around the world I might add) and establish a presence in Iraq. Especially since establishing a presence in Iraq has increased the appeal of the said ideology.

By the way, you never clarified for me why Iraq is a significantly better place for a US military presence than Djibouti, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. (except of course, that our soldiers happen to be getting a lot of practice right about now).

 

[DeadCanDance]

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries. Obsessing about the nationality of individual terrorist is ignorant. They fight for no country. The ideology is also not in a location, nor one man. We have positioned ourselves in Iraq and deposed a dictator in the process. We have a tremendous amount of strageically available territory in Iraq to show for our efforts and thousands of DEAD al qaeda.

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries.

The depths of your ignorance is truly astonishing. You really shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

The socialist secular Baath party that ruled iraq, were blood enemies of fundamentalist jihadists. You made one of the worst (and most ignorant) mistakes in american history by attacking Saddam. Yes, he was a thug. But, as thuggish as he was, the socialist Baath party was keeping the clamps down on relgious fundamentalists. You attacked the wrong country fool

 

[dilloduck]

I think the point that you are missing, and which Maineman was very clearly stating, is that the ideology in question wasn't prevalent in the country that we attacked. So, if you believe the war was against an ideology, the question then becomes "why attack Iraq?" I think millions of Americans would be surprised to find it was merely to depose a dictator (one of many around the world I might add) and establish a presence in Iraq. Especially since establishing a presence in Iraq has increased the appeal of the said ideology.

By the way, you never clarified for me why Iraq is a significantly better place for a US military presence than Djibouti, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. (except of course, that our soldiers happen to be getting a lot of practice right about now).

Radical Islamic ideology didn't exist in Iraq before the invasion ??? I'll let you take that one back quickly if you wanna delete it. There were several advantages to invading Iraq. I know you wanna try to claim there was only one but I'll bet ya a nickle there was more to it than WMDs. It's stragetic location should be obvious --finishing off an unknown quantity who was shooting missles at our planes was another. It is next to country that has been our enemies since the '70s and probably the #1 exporter of terrorism in the world.

 

[dilloduck]

I'll say it again--our enemy is an ideology. The ideaology has no nationality and knows NO boundries.

The depths of your ignorance is truly astonishing. You really shouldn't even be allowed to vote.

The socialist secular Baath party that ruled iraq, were blood enemies of fundamentalist jihadists. You made one of the worst (and most ignorant) mistakes in american history by attacking Saddam. Yes, he was a thug. But, as thuggish as he was, the socialist Baath party was keeping the clamps down on relgious fundamentalists. You attacked the wrong country fool

LOL--oh damn--do we get another turn or is Iran totally out of the picture now?

 

[ReillyT]

Radical Islamic ideology didn't exist in Iraq before the invasion ??? I'll let you take that one back quickly if you wanna delete it.

Actually, I said prevalent (feel free to look that big word up), and I am correct about that.

There were several advantages to invading Iraq.

Let me pause for a moment while I laugh at the silliness of that comment.

It's stragetic location should be obvious

Sure, it is fine location... if the people there weren't shooting at us. Otherwise, I fail to see why it is signifcantly (to the tune of 3500 dead soldiers) better than next-door Kuwait, Quatar, Djibouti, the UAE... must I go on?

--finishing off an unknown quantity who was shooting missles at our planes was another.

What exactly was so unknown, exactly apparently where he kept his nukes?

Yes, his terrifying missiles had reaked so much damage thus far.

It is next to country that has been our enemies since the '70s and probably the #1 exporter of terrorism in the world.

It's neighbors also include Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, and Turkey. I think Azerbaijan would have been easier.

Got anything else?