U.S. Authorizes New Weapons Shipments to Ukraine

[Redfish]

So Putin can take Ukraine, Balkan’s,Finland just by threatening nukes?

no, the NATO countries are different. Ukraine was part of the USSR for decades. Let putin have that corrupt country back, it is not worth our money or lives. The domino theory is bullshit, Viet Nam proved that.

 

[Redfish]

He can have Sarah Palin

you wish you could, but no. she has taste.

 

[rightwinger]

you wish you could, but no. she has taste.

If you like White Trash

 

[rightwinger]

no, the NATO countries are different. Ukraine was part of the USSR for decades. Let putin have that corrupt country back, it is not worth our money or lives. The domino theory is bullshit, Viet Nam proved that.

How about Ukraine decides instead of Putin ?

 

[Ringo]

no, the NATO countries are different. Ukraine was part of the USSR for decades.

Was part of Russia for centuries, long before colonies start thinking about taxation and representation.
And if we go deeper into history, then modern Russia and Ukraine existed for centuries in the same state half a thousand years before the discovery of America.

 

[odanny]

Why on earth would anyone think Ukraine wants to be part of Russia?

Learn your history, or be doomed to repeat it. Ukraine knows its history well.

Holodomor History

holodomormuseum.org.ua

 

[Ringo]

Why on earth would anyone think Ukraine wants to be part of Russia?
Learn your history, or be doomed to repeat it. Ukraine knows its history well.

I spend almost half of my life in Ukraine, оn my father's side, my ancestors lived in Ukraine way back in the 19th century. What is your qualification about the history of Ukraine? The name of the country that you heard once and that you can't find on the map?

 

[odanny]

I spend almost half of my life in Ukraine, оn my father's side, my ancestors lived in Ukraine way back in the 19th century. What is your qualification about the history of Ukraine? The name of the country that you heard once and that you can't find on the map?

You don't think I can find it on a map? Seriously?

I'm glad you know of the Holodomor, it will help allow you to understand why Ukraine wants nothing to do with Russia, to say nothing of Russia blowing up hospitals, grade schools and apartment buildings.

 

[odanny]

BERLIN — Western defense officials on Friday failed to reach an agreement on exporting German- or American-made battle tanks to Ukraine, setting back Ukraine’s hopes of quickly getting weapons it sees as crucial to its defense against an expected new Russian offensive.

At the end of more than five hours of talks at the U.S.-led meeting of Ukraine’s allies at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, the U.S. defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, told reporters that Germany had not yet decided whether to allow its Leopard 2 tanks to be sent to Ukraine. Washington has been reluctant to send its own M1 Abrams tanks, and Mr. Austin added that he had no announcement on whether that stance would change.

Russia-Ukraine War: Allies Fail to Reach Agreement on Providing Western Tanks to Ukraine

After a meeting of Ukraine’s allies, the U.S. secretary of defense said Germany had not yet made a decision on sending the Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. He added the U.S. had no announcement to make on providing Kyiv with M1 Abrams tanks.

www.nytimes.com

 

[martybegan]

Who are we going to use them against?
Russia?

Our military industrial complex can quickly replace depleted munitions and weapons systems

Russia can’t

You know how long it takes to make a Styker vehicle, or what the monthly output of the factory is?

 

[Ringo]

I'm glad you know of the Holodomor, it will help allow you to understand why Ukraine wants nothing to do with Russia, to say nothing of Russia blowing up hospitals, grade schools and apartment buildings.

The Holodomor in the sense of the Soviet authorities deliberately bringing the ukrainian population to starvation is an invention of Goebbels propaganda. It is not surprising that ukrainian nationalists and nazis use this myth in their propaganda.
Was there also hunger in 1932? Yes. There was a famine on the territory of the Russian Empire from time to time. This completely stopped only after the introduction of collectible farm agriculture.
But the famine in 1932 also occurred in other parts of the USSR and was largely due to climatic conditions. The famine was even in Western Ukraine, which was not part of the USSR during these years. This is an
article in ukrainian from a New York newspaper of that time, telling about the famine in Western Ukraine.

The Bolsheviks staged a Holodomor outside the USSR too? And in the USA in 1930s it was also bad with harvests, is this also the fault of the Bolsheviks?

 

[rightwinger]

You know how long it takes to make a Styker vehicle, or what the monthly output of the factory is?

We have ten Divisions worth of Strykers not counting Army Reserves and National Guard
We will not run out.
Let’s look at our threat we need those weapons systems against.
Russia
China
N Korea
Terrorists

We are giving Ukraine MLRS, missiles, artillery, anti-air munitions, drones

All would have been used against Russia

We would fight China with Navy and Air Force
We have dedicated equipment for N Korea
We don’t use that equipment against terrorists

 

[georgephillip]

and what will you say when US soldiers start being killed in Ukraine? The corrupt country of Ukraine is not worth one US dollar or one US life.

US elites are willing to do anything (except risk their own lives or the lives of their children) to prevent Russia from ending this war on its terms, at least that's the view of John Mearsheimer:

"The means by which a false flag is carried out, is completely irrelevant.

"What matters is that — according to political analyst John Mearsheimer– 'The United States is in this to win', that is, the US foreign policy establishment is not prepared to let the Russian army prevail in Ukraine and impose its own settlement.'

"They’re going to find a way to intensify the conflict and bring foreign troops into the theater.

"'That’s the objective, and that’s what they’ll do once they’ve figured out an excuse for escalation.

"Bottom line: The US is not going to throw in the towel and call it quits.

"This is a long-term project that could drag on for years if not decades."

Why Putin's Winter Offensive Will Prompt US Entry Into the War - Global Research

 

[odanny]

But the famine in 1932 also occurred in other parts of the USSR and was largely due to climatic conditions.

Oh good Lord.

 

[AlexanderPK]

You don't think I can find it on a map? Seriously?

I'm glad you know of the Holodomor, it will help allow you to understand why Ukraine wants nothing to do with Russia, to say nothing of Russia blowing up hospitals, grade schools and apartment buildings.

Some sucker reads this and thinks to himself "Hey, what a kind and sympathetic human being this McFuckingRib must be! He's shedding tears over poor Ukrainians driven by evil Russians to death of starvation, over hospitals and the babies (of course the babies, you can't do without babies in these matters, they are the ultimate tear squeezer). Here's the rub though, the SoB dosen't know or want to know that this ******* Holodomor was just a famine, a dire one sure, that struck the USSR like a natural disaster in those hard years and the number of Russians themselves who died then was just as high, if not more, as that of Ukrainians. Nobody knew of it as Holodomor until 1991, when Americans started muddying the water by shitting in the Ukie heads that Russians were responsible out of their natural spite and dislike to the proud nation of ancient Ukrs. What for, you may ask? To pit the two peoples against each other and weaken both. Divide and conquer is the foolproof American policy. And, how did you forget about the Vietnam? I think there were some Vietnamese who died there, from an unknown reason. Maybe you know what reason that was?

 

[Ringo]

The New York Times described in detail the desperate behind-the-scenes struggle between US and Western officials on the issue of arms and ammunition supplies to Ukraine.

We are talking about 155-mm artillery ammunition. This is another important recognition that the Pentagon's own reserves are declining.

"The Pentagon is using a large but little-known American military warehouse in Israel to satisfy Ukraine's urgent need for artillery shells during military operations with Russia," the newspaper reports, citing the words of American and Israeli officials.


The Pentagon uses this warehouse to replenish ammunition in Middle Eastern conflicts. The US has also allowed Israel to use these stocks in emergency situations.

According to Kiev's Western supporters, the Ukrainian forces need hundreds of thousands of shells.

The article claims that about half of the 300,000 pieces of ammunition stored in an Israeli warehouse have already been sent to Ukraine through Poland.

It is reported that approximately the same warehouse of American weapons is located in South Korea. It is also gradually emptying.

Both Israel and South Korea have so far adhered to the official policy of refusing to arm Ukraine. On this issue, Israel is constantly under pressure from both Washington and Ukrainian officials.

Israel's unwillingness to openly help Ukraine is understandable. Tel Aviv is forced to adhere to a thin diplomatic line with Russia, given the Russian military presence in Syria. This factor makes the Pentagon's use of its Israeli stockpiles deeply controversial.

The article describes the internal contradictions in the United States regarding the armament of Ukraine. American politicians want to supply it with lethal means, but the military does not want to reduce its own defense potential.

The Times also writes: "The delivery of hundreds of thousands of artillery shells from two warehouses to support Ukraine indicates the limitations of America's industrial base and its special diplomacy towards two vital US allies who have publicly pledged not to send lethal military assistance to Ukraine."

Last week, at a defense conference in Washington, some of the top leadership of the US Navy raised the issue.

A Defense One reporter relayed the words of a high-ranking US commander: "The Admiral hinted that America already has to choose between itself and Ukraine."

Comment: thus, the weakening of American military power in connection with the assistance to Ukraine are not empty words, but a real reality. This is especially important if the US is preparing for a military conflict with China.

 

[Litwin]

God Bless America, and Long Live Ukraine!


The United States plans to send Ukraine nearly 100 Stryker combat vehicles as part of a roughly $2.5 billion shipment of arms and equipment that is expected to be announced at a meeting of allies in Germany on Friday, two U.S. officials said on Thursday.

The decision to send the Strykers, which could be delivered within weeks, comes just days after Britain committed to sending Ukraine 14 Challenger battle tanks and the United States, France and Germany agreed to send dozens of armored infantry fighting vehicles, including 50 Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Germany has also been under pressure to authorize the delivery of German-made Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine.

Colin H. Kahl, the U.S. under secretary of defense for policy, told reporters on Wednesday that Ukraine needed more mechanized infantry and armored personal carriers to punch through heavily fortified Russian defenses.

“The Russians are really digging in,” he said. “They’re digging in. They’re digging trenches, they’re putting in these dragon’s teeth, laying mines.”

“To enable the Ukrainians to break through given Russian defenses,” he added, “the emphasis has been shifted to enabling them to combine fire and maneuver in a way that will prove to be more effective.”

The Stryker is a medium-weight, eight-wheeled armored vehicle that can carry troops and weapons. It was first deployed by the Pentagon in Iraq after the U.S. invasion in 2003.

The latest package for Ukraine, reported earlier by The Washington Post, would also include more Bradley fighting vehicles; ammunition for HIMARS rocket artillery; 155-millimeter and 105-millimeter artillery rounds; other vehicles; and air defense systems, one of the officials said.

The U.S. announcement comes weeks after the Biden administration announced a $3 billion package of military assistance for Ukraine that will include Bradleys, which officials said would be especially helpful to Ukrainian units fighting Russian forces in the Donbas region of the country’s east.

Western officials fear that Ukraine has only a narrow window before an anticipated Russian springtime offensive, and have been working quickly to give Kyiv sophisticated weapons that they had earlier held out on sending because of concerns of provoking Moscow.

Russia-Ukraine War: Allies Will Ship More Heavy Arms to Ukraine (Published 2023)

The latest American military aid package amounts to $2.5 billion and includes nearly 100 Stryker combat vehicles.

www.nytimes.com

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M1126 Stryker Combat Vehicle | Military.com

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[Redfish]

How about Ukraine decides instead of Putin ?

its none of our fricken business. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. Not worth one US dollar or one US life. Let them fight it out, will we never learn the lessons of viet nam and afghanistan? and Kosovo? and all the African countries we try to intervene in? WE are NOT the world's police force. We cannot afford to be. This is stupidity.

 

[rightwinger]

its none of our fricken business. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. Not worth one US dollar or one US life. Let them fight it out, will we never learn the lessons of viet nam and afghanistan? and Kosovo? and all the African countries we try to intervene in? WE are NOT the world's police force. We cannot afford to be. This is stupidity.

We do let them fight it out……as a proxy

Fun to watch Russia stumble against someone who actually fights back.
As opposed to the $2 trillion we invested in Afghanistan and have them last two weeks

 

[Redfish]

We have ten Divisions worth of Strykers not counting Army Reserves and National Guard
We will not run out.
Let’s look at our threat we need those weapons systems against.
Russia
China
N Korea
Terrorists

We are giving Ukraine MLRS, missiles, artillery, anti-air munitions, drones

All would have been used against Russia

We would fight China with Navy and Air Force
We have dedicated equipment for N Korea
We don’t use that equipment against terrorists

you keep missing the point. WE have no business in Ukraine's war with Russia. Ukraine was part of Russia for decades. Let Putin have that corrupt country back, then he will have to deal with them and their corrupt government. None of our business, stay the **** out of it.