U.S. Army should take control of American Govmnt, From President Obama.

[Old Rocks]

lots of places in the world. and ive seen them. millions of Americans live overseas. and dirt cheap to !!! a fraction of what it cost here. hence the reasons their there. including tons of retired vets. many of whom i talk to on email every day. if this deathcare pass's my wife and i are gone. to the relief im sure of liberals on here. all i do is make an overseas phone call and we're gone. I set this up right after the election.
and all my money is long gone to. it left this country the day after the election. no way in hell am i gonna allow some stcky fingered down town clown form Chicago touch it !!!!

Goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ill be here and you'll be in an Osama gulag ​

Now if that is Costa Rica, you do realize that they have had universal health care for sixty years, don't you?

 

[blu]

VAST LWC....

you obviously missed my post....as such, let me repeat....

i don't believe anyone has broken the law, they have not "levied" war....if i recall it is not simply calling for removal by force that is treason under the constitution and code, it is the actually levying of war....

While I see your point, it's a semantic one.

A military coup against the US Government would surely bring many deaths with it, and that would certainly be definable as a "Civil War".

Attempting to cause said civil war to happen is certainly definable as "treason".

So Vast, what is your opinion on The French revolution? I am just wondering bro? ~BH

b/c the situations are so similar.... what do you think of the slave uprisings in the caribeans BH?

 

[Douger]

Goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ill be here and you'll be in an Osama gulag ​

Now if that is Costa Rica, you do realize that they have had universal health care for sixty years, don't you?

I do !

 

[editec]

ill be here and you'll be in an Osama gulag ​

Now if that is Costa Rica, you do realize that they have had universal health care for sixty years, don't you?

I do !

Do you also know that Costa Rica is the only nation in the Western Hemiphere that does NOT have an army?

 

[CurveLight]

You keep proving how stupid you are. Didn't go read the link I posted did you. It presented both arguments. I choose to side with my Government, you choose to take the enemies side. **** you very much.

You might want to edit that post after you realize the link you posted in #175 is the exact same link I posted in #152. For those on the slow side of math......I posted it before you so yes......I did read the link I posted before you posted it to claim the false dichotomy that brings us back to my original question.

So once again, how is saying "love it or leave it" different from what you said? (Pointing out how ******* stupid I am probably won't help explain it nor erase the fact the link you're screaming about is the one I posted.)

So then the fact remains that the article pointed out both sides, I took the side of the USA, you took the other. Is that not simple, cut and dried?

I don't recall telling anyone to leave, though it is a free country do what you want to do. Big difference I believe.

Geez. Okay. Slow. Down. Read. My. Actual. Post.

I never said you told anyone to leave. I pointed out your false dichotomy of "take america's side or our enemy's side" is no less ridiculous than "love it or leave." Both send the same exact message:

AGREE WITH ME OR YOU ARE MY ENEMY.


That's ******* childish. The no-fly zones were never part of the Cease Fire thus illegal. You're justifying illegal actions based solely on saying you're taking "our government's side." Did it ever occur to you our government can be just as strong of an enemy to America as any other group or nation in the world? The Founding Fathers realized this which is why they created a checks and balances system. Naw. You're prolly right...I'm just proving how stupid I am. (I even saved you the trouble of responding and good job on admitting you fucked up. Oh wait....you didn't. Just like back in the day when we pwned E-7 lifer rejects like you on a regula basis.)

 

[bodecea]

Goodbye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ill be here and you'll be in an Osama gulag ​

Now if that is Costa Rica, you do realize that they have had universal health care for sixty years, don't you?

Don't let facts get in the way of his little thumb-sucking pout.

 

[Navy1960]

18 U.S.C. § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both".

§ 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
How Current is This?Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
How Current is This?Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
US CODE: Title 18,CHAPTER 115—TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

The bottom line is this, if you believe we are all in this together, and we are a nation of laws with over 200 years of tradition, then to advocate any sort of take-over by the US Military regardless of how upset you are over the current Administration is to abandon that tradition. Perhaps a better what is to use the tools that the founders gave us to change this nation for the better, rather than to bring this nation to the point where we are on equal footing with some 3rd world South American Dictatorship where the Military on a regular basis replaces elected officials. What seperate us from most nations is exactly that, our strong tradtions that we are nation where the people are the ultimate heads of state here.

 

[CurveLight]

It's interesting to see those who support the WOT deride the OP's suggestion. They both advocate using the exact same methods to solve issues.

 

[SFC Ollie]

You might want to edit that post after you realize the link you posted in #175 is the exact same link I posted in #152. For those on the slow side of math......I posted it before you so yes......I did read the link I posted before you posted it to claim the false dichotomy that brings us back to my original question.

So once again, how is saying "love it or leave it" different from what you said? (Pointing out how ******* stupid I am probably won't help explain it nor erase the fact the link you're screaming about is the one I posted.)

So then the fact remains that the article pointed out both sides, I took the side of the USA, you took the other. Is that not simple, cut and dried?

I don't recall telling anyone to leave, though it is a free country do what you want to do. Big difference I believe.

Geez. Okay. Slow. Down. Read. My. Actual. Post.

I never said you told anyone to leave. I pointed out your false dichotomy of "take america's side or our enemy's side" is no less ridiculous than "love it or leave." Both send the same exact message:

AGREE WITH ME OR YOU ARE MY ENEMY.


That's ******* childish. The no-fly zones were never part of the Cease Fire thus illegal. You're justifying illegal actions based solely on saying you're taking "our government's side." Did it ever occur to you our government can be just as strong of an enemy to America as any other group or nation in the world? The Founding Fathers realized this which is why they created a checks and balances system. Naw. You're prolly right...I'm just proving how stupid I am. (I even saved you the trouble of responding and good job on admitting you fucked up. Oh wait....you didn't. Just like back in the day when we pwned E-7 lifer rejects like you on a regula basis.)

I didn't say agree with me or else I pointed out that I am taking the side of the US Government and you are taking the side of our enemies. That just happens to be the facts here. I believe that we had just cause for the no fly zones, you do not. I believe you couldn't make a pimple on an E7's ass. That's just more fact.

 

[CurveLight]

So then the fact remains that the article pointed out both sides, I took the side of the USA, you took the other. Is that not simple, cut and dried?

I don't recall telling anyone to leave, though it is a free country do what you want to do. Big difference I believe.

Geez. Okay. Slow. Down. Read. My. Actual. Post.

I never said you told anyone to leave. I pointed out your false dichotomy of "take america's side or our enemy's side" is no less ridiculous than "love it or leave." Both send the same exact message:

AGREE WITH ME OR YOU ARE MY ENEMY.


That's ******* childish. The no-fly zones were never part of the Cease Fire thus illegal. You're justifying illegal actions based solely on saying you're taking "our government's side." Did it ever occur to you our government can be just as strong of an enemy to America as any other group or nation in the world? The Founding Fathers realized this which is why they created a checks and balances system. Naw. You're prolly right...I'm just proving how stupid I am. (I even saved you the trouble of responding and good job on admitting you fucked up. Oh wait....you didn't. Just like back in the day when we pwned E-7 lifer rejects like you on a regula basis.)

I didn't say agree with me or else I pointed out that I am taking the side of the US Government and you are taking the side of our enemies. That just happens to be the facts here. I believe that we had just cause for the no fly zones, you do not. I believe you couldn't make a pimple on an E7's ass. That's just more fact.

It's a "fact" I'm taking the side of our enemies because I pointed out the real fact the no-fly zones were illegal? No wonder you got forced out of the military.

 

[Polk]

So then the fact remains that the article pointed out both sides, I took the side of the USA, you took the other. Is that not simple, cut and dried?

I don't recall telling anyone to leave, though it is a free country do what you want to do. Big difference I believe.

Geez. Okay. Slow. Down. Read. My. Actual. Post.

I never said you told anyone to leave. I pointed out your false dichotomy of "take america's side or our enemy's side" is no less ridiculous than "love it or leave." Both send the same exact message:

AGREE WITH ME OR YOU ARE MY ENEMY.


That's ******* childish. The no-fly zones were never part of the Cease Fire thus illegal. You're justifying illegal actions based solely on saying you're taking "our government's side." Did it ever occur to you our government can be just as strong of an enemy to America as any other group or nation in the world? The Founding Fathers realized this which is why they created a checks and balances system. Naw. You're prolly right...I'm just proving how stupid I am. (I even saved you the trouble of responding and good job on admitting you fucked up. Oh wait....you didn't. Just like back in the day when we pwned E-7 lifer rejects like you on a regula basis.)

I didn't say agree with me or else I pointed out that I am taking the side of the US Government and you are taking the side of our enemies. That just happens to be the facts here. I believe that we had just cause for the no fly zones, you do not. I believe you couldn't make a pimple on an E7's ass. That's just more fact.

I'll give CurveLight the ability to state his/her belief, but stating that the no-fly zones were a violation of international law (no doubt about it, they were) isn't the same as saying there wasn't a moral justification for supporting the policy.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

While I see your point, it's a semantic one.

A military coup against the US Government would surely bring many deaths with it, and that would certainly be definable as a "Civil War".

Attempting to cause said civil war to happen is certainly definable as "treason".

So Vast, what is your opinion on The French revolution? I am just wondering bro? ~BH

b/c the situations are so similar.... what do you think of the slave uprisings in the caribeans BH?

I am not aware of that incident, but if I was a slave I would revolt too. ~BH

 

[SFC Ollie]

Geez. Okay. Slow. Down. Read. My. Actual. Post.

I never said you told anyone to leave. I pointed out your false dichotomy of "take america's side or our enemy's side" is no less ridiculous than "love it or leave." Both send the same exact message:

AGREE WITH ME OR YOU ARE MY ENEMY.


That's ******* childish. The no-fly zones were never part of the Cease Fire thus illegal. You're justifying illegal actions based solely on saying you're taking "our government's side." Did it ever occur to you our government can be just as strong of an enemy to America as any other group or nation in the world? The Founding Fathers realized this which is why they created a checks and balances system. Naw. You're prolly right...I'm just proving how stupid I am. (I even saved you the trouble of responding and good job on admitting you fucked up. Oh wait....you didn't. Just like back in the day when we pwned E-7 lifer rejects like you on a regula basis.)

I didn't say agree with me or else I pointed out that I am taking the side of the US Government and you are taking the side of our enemies. That just happens to be the facts here. I believe that we had just cause for the no fly zones, you do not. I believe you couldn't make a pimple on an E7's ass. That's just more fact.

It's a "fact" I'm taking the side of our enemies because I pointed out the real fact the no-fly zones were illegal? No wonder you got forced out of the military.

Hey dumb ****, 22 years on active duty and retiring by choice is not being forced out of the Military. Now why the **** would you want to attack my service to this great country? Do you truly hate America that much? You still wouldn't make a pimple on a SFC's ass.

 

[CurveLight]

I didn't say agree with me or else I pointed out that I am taking the side of the US Government and you are taking the side of our enemies. That just happens to be the facts here. I believe that we had just cause for the no fly zones, you do not. I believe you couldn't make a pimple on an E7's ass. That's just more fact.

It's a "fact" I'm taking the side of our enemies because I pointed out the real fact the no-fly zones were illegal? No wonder you got forced out of the military.

Hey dumb ****, 22 years on active duty and retiring by choice is not being forced out of the Military. Now why the **** would you want to attack my service to this great country? Do you truly hate America that much? You still wouldn't make a pimple on a SFC's ass.

Lol. You want to twist my personal criticism of you into saying I hate america? Golly.

Yes you got forced out under Clinton's drawdown plan. After 22 years your highest rank was an E-7. I don't need to read your 201 File to see based on your performance you were forced out. I entered as an E-1 and made E-4 in under three years. Don't try to sell any of that played out DD214 garbage either.

We saw quite a few of your kind get the boot. That's not attacking your Service. It's pointing out your soapboxing bullshit won't fertilize any free passes. Next time you try to tell others you retired based partly on what we did to the Kurds in Desert Storm you might want to remember not everyone on here will happily buy your rat trap. Dont try to get ******* personal on me or I'll make sure you go to bed on a wet pillow.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ollie, you are not more or less patriotic than any other veteran here, whether they agree or disagree with you. At 22 years, you were probably offered an assignment you did not want, and elected to resign. That is your business. Was your final duty recruiting or retention?

 

[Vast LWC]

18 U.S.C. § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both".

§ 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
How Current is This?Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

§ 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
How Current is This?Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
US CODE: Title 18,CHAPTER 115—TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

The bottom line is this, if you believe we are all in this together, and we are a nation of laws with over 200 years of tradition, then to advocate any sort of take-over by the US Military regardless of how upset you are over the current Administration is to abandon that tradition. Perhaps a better what is to use the tools that the founders gave us to change this nation for the better, rather than to bring this nation to the point where we are on equal footing with some 3rd world South American Dictatorship where the Military on a regular basis replaces elected officials. What seperate us from most nations is exactly that, our strong tradtions that we are nation where the people are the ultimate heads of state here.

Well said sir.

Now, has anyone told the FBI about the OP yet?

It seems to qualify as trerason, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, under § 2383 as "inciting", as well as under § 2385 as "advocating".

Just wondering...

 

[EriktheRed]

With the recent decision of current attorney General ,Eric Holder to move the Sept 11 Terrorist to a New York City Federal civilian court, on U.S. soil, thus making New York City a Terrorists target again, I must suggest a U.S. Army temporary takeover of the United States government from the Obama administration. The U.S. Army could install a leadership tribunal of three Generals to run the country, and they could also appoint other
U.S. Army personell to run the other areas of the American government.

I feel the Obama Administration, and U.S. attorney Eric Holder, are jeopardizing
American safety and , and national security with their decision to bring Terrorists War combattants to American soil for prosecution, and their incorrect decision to close Guantanamo Bay Millitary dentention center in Cuba.

We need the U.S. Army to take over the America governement now. They must by means
of some emergency edict take control away from President Obama Now. The President
is endangering the lives of Americans, and people of the free world with his decisions, and the decisions of his Attorney general Eric Holder. They must both be removed from the America government, and detained by the U.S. Army.

We need an American milltary take over now before it is to late.
The Terrorists will target America again.

And once again a stupid wingnut argues that we should avoid becoming a banana republic by acting like one.


It ain't gonna happen, deal with it.

 

[CurveLight]

I didn't say agree with me or else I pointed out that I am taking the side of the US Government and you are taking the side of our enemies. That just happens to be the facts here. I believe that we had just cause for the no fly zones, you do not. I believe you couldn't make a pimple on an E7's ass. That's just more fact.

It's a "fact" I'm taking the side of our enemies because I pointed out the real fact the no-fly zones were illegal? No wonder you got forced out of the military.

Hey dumb ****, 22 years on active duty and retiring by choice is not being forced out of the Military. Now why the **** would you want to attack my service to this great country? Do you truly hate America that much? You still wouldn't make a pimple on a SFC's ass.

Lol. You want to twist my personal criticism of you into saying I hate america? Golly.

Yes you got forced out under Clinton's drawdown plan. After 22 years your highest rank was an E-7. I don't need to read your 201 File to see based on your performance you were forced out. I entered as an E-1 and made E-4 in under three years. Don't try to sell any of that played out DD214 garbage either.

We saw quite a few of your kind get the boot. That's not attacking your Service. It's pointing out your soapboxing bullshit won't fertilize any free passes. Next time you try to tell others you retired based partly on what we did to the Kurds in Desert Storm you might want to remember not everyone on here will happily buy your rat trap. Dont try to get ******* personal on me or I'll make sure you go to bed on a wet pillow.

 

[Vast LWC]

Lol. You want to twist my personal criticism of you into saying I hate america? Golly.

Yes you got forced out under Clinton's drawdown plan. After 22 years your highest rank was an E-7. I don't need to read your 201 File to see based on your performance you were forced out. I entered as an E-1 and made E-4 in under three years. Don't try to sell any of that played out DD214 garbage either.

We saw quite a few of your kind get the boot. That's not attacking your Service. It's pointing out your soapboxing bullshit won't fertilize any free passes. Next time you try to tell others you retired based partly on what we did to the Kurds in Desert Storm you might want to remember not everyone on here will happily buy your rat trap. Dont try to get ******* personal on me or I'll make sure you go to bed on a wet pillow.

Hey there Curve, not for nothing, but lots of people were downsized at that point, and I believe it was actually Bush senior who started the drawdown.

Though I disagree with this guy on most points, I don't think his service should be called into question like that.

 

[bodecea]

Lol. You want to twist my personal criticism of you into saying I hate america? Golly.

Yes you got forced out under Clinton's drawdown plan. After 22 years your highest rank was an E-7. I don't need to read your 201 File to see based on your performance you were forced out. I entered as an E-1 and made E-4 in under three years. Don't try to sell any of that played out DD214 garbage either.

We saw quite a few of your kind get the boot. That's not attacking your Service. It's pointing out your soapboxing bullshit won't fertilize any free passes. Next time you try to tell others you retired based partly on what we did to the Kurds in Desert Storm you might want to remember not everyone on here will happily buy your rat trap. Dont try to get ******* personal on me or I'll make sure you go to bed on a wet pillow.

Hey there Curve, not for nothing, but lots of people were downsized at that point, and I believe it was actually Bush senior who started the drawdown.

Though I disagree with this guy on most points, I don't think his service should be called into question like that.

I agree. You Enlisted need to play nice now.