Tyreek Hill admits he contributed to the problem during his arrest.

[progressive hunter]

ASKING, not demanding. If the search is illegal your lawyer will get it throw out and the cop will look bad to his bosses. If he forces his way in without a warrant, politely say that you do not consent to the search and keep your mouth shut after that.

why are you changing my words??

I said trying to kick your door in not asking to kick it in,,

typical leftist tactic is to change people words to change the narrative and then personally attack them for saying something they never said,,

 

[AZrailwhale]

not on this topic you arent,,

you are defending an authoritarian government acting outside their legal authority and telling me to shut up and obey them,,

a rightwinger would say you should always stand up for your rights but not break the law doing it,,

No, I’m being pragmatic. Pick your battles and only fight them at a time and place you can win. Go head to head with a cop or bureaucrat and you will lose every time regardless of right and wrong or the law.

The founders didn’t start out revolting against the king and his bureaucrats. They started out working within the system, then when that failed, appealed to the crown for relief. Only when Mad George reacted to their reasonable requests for their rights as Englishmen to be respected did they revolt,

 

[progressive hunter]

No, I’m being pragmatic. Pick your battles and only fight them at a time and place you can win. Go head to head with a cop or bureaucrat and you will lose every time regardless of right and wrong or the law.

The founders didn’t start out revolting against the king and his bureaucrats. They started out working within the system, then when that failed, appealed to the crown for relief. Only when Mad George reacted to their reasonable requests for their rights as Englishmen to be respected did they revolt,

what youre doing is being the typical leftist and saying my rights dont mean shit and I should sit down, shut up and get on the train,,

who said anything about revolting??
I said challenge not revolt,,
so once again you change the words I said to control the narrative like the typical leftist,,

 

[AZrailwhale]

what youre doing is being the typical leftist and saying my rights dont mean shit and I should sit down, shut up and get on the train,,

who said anything about revolting??
I said challenge not revolt,,
so once again you change the words I said to control the narrative like the typical leftist,,

You can’t make a case so you always default to personal attacks.

 

[progressive hunter]

You can’t make a case so you always default to personal attacks.

not when you keep changing my words and ignoring what I said like a typical leftist,,

this is two times in a row youve changed my words,,

why did you do that??

sounds like its you that cant make their case??

 

[progressive hunter]

You can’t make a case so you always default to personal attacks.

lets start over,,

do we or do we not have a right to challenge law enforcement when we think we are being wronged??
ie,, redress of grievance,,

 

[AZrailwhale]

not when you keep changing my words and ignoring what I said like a typical leftist,,

this is two times in a row youve changed my words,,

why did you do that??

sounds like its you that cant make their case??

I quoted your exact words in my post. Go back and look,

 

[AZrailwhale]

lets start over,,

do we or do we not have a right to challenge law enforcement when we think we are being wronged??
ie,, redress of grievance,,

Yes, but being right isn’t always enough. When I sailed, I had the right of way over twenty thousand ton container ships. I never demanded it. Being realistic I always passed astern of them. Being right can result in being DEAD right.

 

[progressive hunter]

I quoted your exact words in my post. Go back and look,

liar liar pants on fire,,

you changed "trying to kick door in" to "asking to kick the door in"

then you changed "challenge them" to "revolt against them",,

why did you do that??

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, but being right isn’t always enough. When I sailed, I had the right of way over twenty thousand ton container ships. I never demanded it. Being realistic I always passed astern of them. Being right can result in being DEAD right.

so yes we have a right to challenge them,,

so why is it you keep telling me I should shut up and do what I am told??

do you disagree with that right??

 

[AZrailwhale]

liar liar pants on fire,,

you changed "trying to kick door in" to "asking to kick the door in"

then you changed "challenge them" to "revolt against them",,

why did you do that??

When I quoted you I did it correctly, I also paraphrased you on a couple of occasions,

 

[progressive hunter]

When I quoted you I did it correctly, I also paraphrased you on a couple of occasions,

no you didnt,,

you used completely different words that create a whole different scenario

in otherwords you lied about what I said

why did you do that??

 

[AZrailwhale]

so yes we have a right to challenge them,,

so why is it you keep telling me I should shut up and do what I am told??

do you disagree with that right??

You are either appallingly ignorant and opinionated like a “sovereign citizen” or are deliberately being obtuse. In the case I posted, should I have sailed in front of that much larger ship, be rammed , sunk and killed as I legally could, or do the intelligent and rational thing and pass behind them?

Arguing with a cop in the field is as stupid as passing in front of a large ship.

 

[AZrailwhale]

so yes we have a right to challenge them,,

so why is it you keep telling me I should shut up and do what I am told??

do you disagree with that right??

Because if you give a cop a hard time you will wind up arrested and spend time in jail. There are enough laws on the books that any halfway competent cop can find reasons to arrest anyone. Unlike you, I don’t want to end up in jail, so I am polite and contest any illegal or improper police actions in the courtroom where the decisions belong.

 

[progressive hunter]

You are either appallingly ignorant and opinionated like a “sovereign citizen” or are deliberately being obtuse. In the case I posted, should I have sailed in front of that much larger ship, be rammed , sunk and killed as I legally could, or do the intelligent and rational thing and pass behind them?

Arguing with a cop in the field is as stupid as passing in front of a large ship.

so now standing up for constitutional rights is being a sovereign citizen??


considering cops have discretion it only makes sense to challenge them in the field to avoid having to hire expensive attorneys you cant afford,,

I have no idea why you want to talk about boats when we are talking about constitutional rights,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Because if you give a cop a hard time you will wind up arrested and spend time in jail. There are enough laws on the books that any halfway competent cop can find reasons to arrest anyone. Unlike you, I don’t want to end up in jail, so I am polite and contest any illegal or improper police actions in the courtroom where the decisions belong.

or as we see a lot we expose bad cops that are violating peoples rights,,

but hey if you as a tax payer are fine paying out the big payouts when cops fuck up who am I to change your mind,,

I do care a lot about it so am trying to help either educate bad cops or get rid of them,,

and expose leftist llike you for what you are,,

you may be the the right of democrats but you are far from right of the constitution,,

 

[AZrailwhale]

so now standing up for constitutional rights is being a sovereign citizen??


considering cops have discretion it only makes sense to challenge them in the field to avoid having to hire expensive attorneys you cant afford,,

I have no idea why you want to talk about boats when we are talking about constitutional rights,,

I’m talking about being STUPIDLY right. When the consequences of being “right” far outweigh the benefits. If you challenge a cop in the field, you will need an expensive lawyer. On some rare occasions a cop will give you a break if you are courteous and respectful, if you are confrontational and challenge him, he will not only not cut you a break, but will look for and find a bunch of other things to charge you with. Being “right” will be very expensive.

 

[progressive hunter]

I’m talking about being STUPIDLY right. When the consequences of being “right” far outweigh the benefits. If you challenge a cop in the field, you will need an expensive lawyer. On some rare occasions a cop will give you a break if you are courteous and respectful, if you are confrontational and challenge him, he will not only not cut you a break, but will look for and find a bunch of other things to charge you with. Being “right” will be very expensive.

whats stupid is you saying we shouldnt stand up for our rights and submit to unlawful orders,,

the nazi brownshirts and SS said the same thing

 

[progressive hunter]

I’m talking about being STUPIDLY right. When the consequences of being “right” far outweigh the benefits. If you challenge a cop in the field, you will need an expensive lawyer. On some rare occasions a cop will give you a break if you are courteous and respectful, if you are confrontational and challenge him, he will not only not cut you a break, but will look for and find a bunch of other things to charge you with. Being “right” will be very expensive.

 

[progressive hunter]

I’m talking about being STUPIDLY right. When the consequences of being “right” far outweigh the benefits. If you challenge a cop in the field, you will need an expensive lawyer. On some rare occasions a cop will give you a break if you are courteous and respectful, if you are confrontational and challenge him, he will not only not cut you a break, but will look for and find a bunch of other things to charge you with. Being “right” will be very expensive.