Two Weeks of Protest in Iran, Where is "Free Palestine?"

[JoeB131]

What does any of this have to do with the Jewish people living in the area some 3000 years ago? Your argument was that they belong in Europe.

What does any of this have to do with the Jewish people living in the area some 3000 years ago? Your argument was that they belong in Europe.

But you consider a guy that says he is a girl to be a girl.

Dude, you need to get the Trannies off the brain.

I mean, seriously, did you pick one up in a bar right now and got traumatized when she peed standing up?

Transgenders exist.

Talking snakes do not.

Yeah, ok. You also consider that the extraordinarily complex world we live in was created from a random series of extremely improbable and inexplicably fortunate events. Most scientists agree that entropy in the beginning of the universe was very low, meaning it was very ordered. The odds of it beginning with such an low entropy rate according to Penrose's estimate was 1 in 10^(10^123). I'll let you calculate that out, but you won't have enough paper to write out all the digits. It is incomprehensibly low. It is much larger than the number of particles in the entire observable universe, meaning the odds of it happening are astronomically low. I'll go with intelligent design.

You can... but that doesn't make the book with the Talking Snake in it true.

We are reasonably sure that snakes don't talk.

 

[AZrailwhale]

How does the oppression of the current regime in Iran compare to what it replaced?

Let's ask GoogleAI:

"SAVAK (Sazman-e Ettela'at va Amniyat-e Keshvar) was the notorious secret police and intelligence agency of the Pahlavi dynasty in Iran (1957-1979), infamous for its brutality, torture, surveillance, and suppression of dissent, acting as the Shah's primary tool to maintain control against political opponents, including Iranian students abroad, with significant support and training from the CIA.

"Formed in 1957, it had its own budget, communication network, and direct access to the Shah, operating with extreme power until its dissolution following the 1979 Islamic Revolution."

SAVAK killed and imprisoned fewer people in its entire history than the Mullahs did in any one-year of their reign.

 

[SweetTea]

Transgenders exist.

They exist only in their minds. The fact that they THINK that their gender doesn't match their sex means they have a mental disorder that should be treated, not affirmed. Sorry, but that is the cold hard truth, no matter what the left wingnut psychologists pseudo scientists have to say about the issue.

We are reasonably sure that snakes don't talk.

Indeed, a talking snake requires either the belief in a higher being or an equally unlikely series of events that required for a high order, low entropy, universe that spawned out of "nothing", which is not even a thing in physics, to create this talking snake. Again, I choose the former and you choose the later. Good for you, but it is like putting your life savings into one single lotto ticket with a 1 in 10^(10^123) chance of winning. Good luck with that.

 

[georgephillip]

SAVAK killed and imprisoned fewer people in its entire history than the Mullahs did in any one-year of their reign.

What role did the CIA play in bringing SAVAK and the Mullahs to power?

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

 

[JoeB131]

They exist only in their minds. The fact that they THINK that their gender doesn't match their sex means they have a mental disorder that should be treated, not affirmed. Sorry, but that is the cold hard truth, no matter what the left wingnut psychologists pseudo scientists have to say about the issue.

Guy, if gender dysphoria were a mental illness, then your side would be well and screwed, as it would qualify as a disability, and businesses and workplaces are supposed to make "reasonable accommodations" for disabilities.

And yes, it's a lot easier to enforce the use of pronouns and bathrooms than to put up wheelchair ramps or Braille signs everywhere.

Indeed, a talking snake requires either the belief in a higher being or an equally unlikely series of events that required for a high order, low entropy, universe that spawned out of "nothing", which is not even a thing in physics, to create this talking snake. Again, I choose the former and you choose the later. Good for you, but it is like putting your life savings into one single lotto ticket with a 1 in 10^(10^123) chance of winning. Good luck with that.

Except life and the universe exist. They can be proven to exist.
Evolution can also be proven to exist through the fossile record.

What can't be proven. Talking snakes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Guy, if gender dysphoria were a mental illness, then your side would be well and screwed, as it would qualify as a disability, and businesses and workplaces are supposed to make "reasonable accommodations" for disabilities.

And yes, it's a lot easier to enforce the use of pronouns and bathrooms than to put up wheelchair ramps or Braille signs everywhere.



Except life and the universe exist. They can be proven to exist.
Evolution can also be proven to exist through the fossile record.

What can't be proven. Talking snakes.

Guy, if gender dysphoria were a mental illness, then your side would be well and screwed, as it would qualify as a disability, and businesses and workplaces are supposed to make "reasonable accommodations" for disabilities.

Medication and therapy, not surgery, hormones and pronouns.

 

[SweetTea]

Except life and the universe exist. They can be proven to exist.

And getting something from nothing can't be proven. In fact, nothing isn't even a thing in physics, but you must believe that happened or your entire theory falls apart. In other words, no proof <> impossible, otherwise, your premise is impossible.

Congrats on proving my point and hope you have the winning ticket to the longest odds lotto that anyone could imagine.

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, if gender dysphoria were a mental illness, then your side would be well and screwed, as it would qualify as a disability, and businesses and workplaces are supposed to make "reasonable accommodations" for disabilities.

Medication and therapy, not surgery, hormones and pronouns.

YOu wouldn't have a choice....

And getting something from nothing can't be proven. In fact, nothing isn't even a thing in physics, but you must believe that happened or your entire theory falls apart. In other words, no proof <> impossible, otherwise, your premise is impossible.

Congrats on proving my point and hope you have the winning ticket to the longest odds lotto that anyone could imagine.

You don't have a point other than, "I don't understand it, so it must be God." You guys work from "Something from Nothing". We realize that there had to be something in the beginning that didn't require a magic sky fairy.

What if it's Allah? Then you'd be screwed.

My big fear, what if it's Amaterasu and she wants to talk to me about "Yellow Fever"

 

[SweetTea]

We realize that there had to be something in the beginning that didn't require a magic sky fairy.

LOL, yep, that is pure fantasy and wholly unscientific. The funniest part is that if science did prove something from nothing, then most of the science to date would be null and void, so you start over again with everything you believe. Heck, it could lead to the talking snakes of which you speak.

Face it, you have "faith" in winning that lottery. I personally don't find that to be a remotely reasonable pursuit.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL, yep, that is pure fantasy and wholly unscientific. The funniest part is that if science did prove something from nothing, then most of the science to date would be null and void, so you start over again with everything you believe. Heck, it could lead to the talking snakes of which you speak.

Um, no, guy, that's not how science works at all. When you have new data, you modify the theory.

As opposed to religion, where you reject anything that doesn't fit into the nice, neat package.

For instance, we've THOROUGHLY excavated ancient Egypt, and contrary to what Ben Carson believes, absolutely no evidence that the Hebrews ever lived there like the book of Exodus says they did. None. Zip. Archaeological evidence suggests that the Hebrews split off from the rest of Canaanite culture to worship Yahweh exclusively, while the rest remained polytheists.

Face it, you have "faith" in winning that lottery. I personally don't find that to be a remotely reasonable pursuit.

If I played the lottery for billions of years, eventually, I would win. The thing is, someone does "win the lottery" every couple of weeks.

So if you want to claim that abiogenesis is "winning the lottery", over time, that's exactly what happened.

 

[Dekster]

First the first time in 47 years, Iran is on the verge of toppling an oppressive regime that has crippled people's civil liberties and economy. Despite what may be a historic event of liberation, there has not been a peep from the "Free Palestine" crowd. There have no protests in support on the streets. Nobody blocking the streets waving Iranian flags. Nobody organizing sit-ins and demonstrations on university campuses, nothing from Greta.

The answer to this is, of course, obvious. The Free Palestine movement was never about Palestinians. It was never about liberation or freedom. It was always about hating the Jews.

Except when I googled it, there were several reports of protests on college campuses in support of regime change in Iran....

 

[Lisa558]

Except when I googled it, there were several reports of protests on college campuses in support of regime change in Iran....

They’re so inconsequential that you had to Google it.

They pale in comparison to the hatefest against Israel.

 

[SweetTea]

You don't have a point other than, "I don't understand it, so it must be God." You guys work from "Something from Nothing". We realize that there had to be something in the beginning that didn't require a magic sky fairy.

Um, no, guy, that's not how science works at all. When you have new data, you modify the theory.

If I played the lottery for billions of years, eventually, I would win. The thing is, someone does "win the lottery" every couple of weeks.

According to current scientific theory, the laws of physics just “are”. Basically, the universe is unintelligible at its base.

If physics was able to resolve this, virtually everything we know in science would shift, including the very evolutionary theory to which you subscribe. Evolution assumes that something never comes from nothing. If nothing means nothing, the very laws that evolution relies on fall apart, including physics, thermodynamics, the concept of time, energy and scientifically laws.

What you don’t seem to understand is that all of science is premised on the idea that something must exist and we build from there. Essentially, every ultimate explanation to the origins of the universe must be non-scientific.

I don’t dispute many scientific principles. For example, I don’t dispute gravity or why entropy increases, but science doesn’t explain why or how either exist, and it can’t and never will.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I'm thinking one of two things are going to happen perhaps this coming weekend....
1. The Ayatollah and his henchmen will leave/flee Iran.
2. US Forces will decimate them.
There are TONS of military assets being flown in right NOW, and the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group is closing in.
One way or another, the Islamic regime is FINISHED, and the Iranian People will take their country back FINALLY.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm thinking one of two things are going to happen perhaps this coming weekend....
1. The Ayatollah and his henchmen will leave/flee Iran.
2. US Forces will decimate them.
There are TONS of military assets being flown in right NOW, and the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group is closing in.
One way or another, the Islamic regime is FINISHED, and the Iranian People will take their country back FINALLY.

The Lincoln is only a few days out now.

Trump will preside over toppling the Iranian Terrorist Regime, while the libs will scream how unfair it is, all the while still spewing their lies about Israel.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm thinking one of two things are going to happen perhaps this coming weekend....
1. The Ayatollah and his henchmen will leave/flee Iran.
2. US Forces will decimate them.
There are TONS of military assets being flown in right NOW, and the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group is closing in.
One way or another, the Islamic regime is FINISHED, and the Iranian People will take their country back FINALLY.

You may be right....

But I don't think that it's going to be necessary.

When the military stops shooting civilians and the mercenaries hired don't get paid.....

Things will fall apart quickly for the Admin. There will be a few holdouts that will need punished with extreme prejudice but I don't think that it will all fall apart that quickly. This could take weeks.

The television station got hacked and posted anti regime propaganda with a message from the Shah. There's more reports of fighting going on as well inside Iran.

The kurds are upset they keep getting betrayed. (Keeping them upset is wise...we do NOT want them empowered)

Then Yemen....once a Muslim stronghold also has been having similar issues as Iran with anti-Muslim riots taking place.
IOW large chunks of Middle Eastern people are looking to stop the control the Muslims have. They are just as tired as everyone else. Can Egypt be far behind?

 

[Lisa558]

You may be right....

But I don't think that it's going to be necessary.

When the military stops shooting civilians and the mercenaries hired don't get paid.....

Things will fall apart quickly for the Admin. There will be a few holdouts that will need punished with extreme prejudice but I don't think that it will all fall apart that quickly. This could take weeks.

The television station got hacked and posted anti regime propaganda with a message from the Shah. There's more reports of fighting going on as well inside Iran.

The kurds are upset they keep getting betrayed. (Keeping them upset is wise...we do NOT want them empowered)

Then Yemen....once a Muslim stronghold also has been having similar issues as Iran with anti-Muslim riots taking place.
IOW large chunks of Middle Eastern people are looking to stop the control the Muslims have. They are just as tired as everyone else. Can Egypt be far behind?

The military is not shooting civilians. We had one where the criminal was a threat to the very life of the officer.

What needs to stop is civilians assaulting ICE and trying to murder them.

 

[JohnDB]

The military is not shooting civilians. We had one where the criminal was a threat to the very life of the officer.

What needs to stop is civilians assaulting ICE and trying to murder them.

We are discussing whats happening In Iran....
And in the USA....
Ice is not doing anything different or wrong. Not even a different chief. (Holman was given an award by Obama when he worked for him)

It's just Democrats using their followers like some sort of disposable pawns. Because they are going to jail.

Iran and Yemen are much more interesting....how the masses are anti Muslim and revolting against their Mullahs.

 

[Lisa558]

We are discussing whats happening In Iran....
And in the USA....
Ice is not doing anything different or wrong. Not even a different chief. (Holman was given an award by Obama when he worked for him)

It's just Democrats using their followers like some sort of disposable pawns. Because they are going to jail.

Iran and Yemen are much more interesting....how the masses are anti Muslim and revolting against their Mullahs.

Oops. I’m on too many threads at once.

Yes, what the terrorist regime of Iran is doing to its own people is beyond criminal, and Trump is about to put the kabosh on it.

 

[hadit]

It's the return of TACO.

Oil prices fall after Trump signals he could hold off on attacking Iran​

Oil prices fall after Trump signals he could hold off on attacking Iran

Trump told reporters in the Oval Office that "we've been told that the killing in Iran is stopping. It's stopped. It's stopping, and there's no plan for executions."

www.cnbc.com

Only one of the usual suspects would complain about something that lowers oil prices.