Two thirds of Israelis support freezing peace talks

[Beelzebub]

That is funny RV, after Yitzhak Rabin.

Yyou seems upset that we didn't release the Palestinian terrorists, huum?

Yitzhak Rabin, eh?

"I want you to break their bones; Get the one that threw the stones, break his arms and legs. But keep the head intact, we need to know who sent them"- Yitzhak Rabin to Golani soldier, January 19th, 1988

Yep. Shows what passes as a 'moderate' in Israel.


Lipush.

I thought you knew me.

I don't get upset much at such things. I wish they were done differently, but it is something to engage the frontal lobes, not the hippo-campus.

 

[Beelzebub]

Hamas and the PLO are corrupt, yes, just as Likid and every Israeli government has been disgusting;y corrupt and criminal, since the inception.

But they are still of the Palestinians. If every Hamas and Fatah member was magically vanished from Palestine today, Palestinians would demand someone stand up to protect them from the worst excesses of the IDF.

And sadly those people, once with power, would probably become corrupt.

They are still the leaders in the area.
As with any organisation, if there is encouragement for good governance and punishment for bad they would evolve in the right way.

That said, looking at our own leaders, it is a bloody long journey.

It's LIKUD, not LIKID.

Geezez

Ooops.

I will do as you say and spell it Likit in future.
Didn't have you down as a pedant.

 

[Beelzebub]

The Palestinians have made completely outrageous demands throughout the 9 months or so of negotiations.

Equality in law.
Autonomy.
Right to conduct affairs independent of Israel.
Right of free movement within their own state.
Israel to cease building settlements and adding to their populations.
Israel to hand back at least part of the stolen land, and water.

Utterly unreasonable!

If Israel had been really smart, they would've refrained from building in the settlements for that short period of time ....

If you are in dispute over theft of territory and water, how can it be 'negotiating in good faith' to continue stealing during the talks, or even to hold off stealing while talks are in progress, but with the avowed intention of stealing more at the end?

You seem to live in Alice's Wonderland FY.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Palestinians have made completely outrageous demands throughout the 9 months or so of negotiations.

Equality in law.
Autonomy.
Right to conduct affairs independent of Israel.
Right of free movement within their own state.
Israel to cease building settlements and adding to their populations.
Israel to hand back at least part of the stolen land, and water.

Utterly unreasonable!

If Israel had been really smart, they would've refrained from building in the settlements for that short period of time ....

If you are in dispute over theft of territory and water, how can it be 'negotiating in good faith' to continue stealing during the talks, or even to hold off stealing while talks are in progress, but with the avowed intention of stealing more at the end?

You seem to live in Alice's Wonderland FY.

Flooding Israel proper with thousands of so-called "refugees".

Demands to release hundreds of blood-thirsty murderers.

Refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

Reconciliation efforts with terrorist organization Hamas.

Refusal to come to terms with the fact that Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel.

 

[Beelzebub]

Palestine has recognised both Israel and its right to exist. What more do you want?

The rest of your nonsense, FY seems to be a complaint that Palestinians wont roll over and die, on command.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I don't know why you think these points are "nonsense". Put yourself in the place of a parent who have lost their child to terrorists. If you examine the other points, they are valid also.

 

[Beelzebub]

Let's put it like this, FY

If you put your children in a lion enclosure, because you have information that your God told you you have a right to that zone, and your belief in that is greater than your desire to protect your children, then yes, I can understand the grief.

Just I would not understand blaming the lions.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

First of all, you're comparing your Palestinians to animals. Secondly, the freeing of terrorists also applies to those who have killed residents of Israel proper, and not only those of the "territories". I don't know if you differentiate between the two. Tinmore doesn't. Israel wasn't only established because of G-d. Jews have suffered from persecution for 2,000 years and deserve one place on Earth that they can call their own, which is why Israeli planes fly over Auschwitz on Israel Independence Day. Apart from G-d, Israel also has historical importance for Jews. Would you want to divide Washington D.C., if you are American, or London (because you sound like a Brit)?

 

[Beelzebub]

First of all, you're comparing your Palestinians to animals.

Sorry - is that a complaint?
In fact, I am comparing the instinct to protect your property, land and rights to that of animals. That instinct goes well back to before we were homo sapien, so the invading settlers were not in ignorance of the reaction they would provoke.

I don't know if you differentiate between the two.

Yes. Violence is not something I would recommend for Palestinians, except in self defence. However, as Americans are oft heard to say, the best defence is a strong offence.
So, I do not support Palestinian violence against immediate threats. Nor do I condemn it.

Jews have suffered from persecution for 2,000 years and deserve one place on Earth that they can call their own

I am not sure that suffering in previous generations means you deserve anything. Though Zionists never cease with their retelling of tales of hardship and not being liked, there is not one tribe in the world who doesn't have similar stories of hardship and persecution.

But if for arguments sake I accept your proposition, then if they DO deserve a place of Jewishness (disputed by many Jews, I will add) then that should be done without punishing another tribe.

For example, the world might have negotiated with Palestine, and offered new land elsewhere, and untold riches, as compensation to leave their farms. WITH AGREEMENT, after the territory had been purchased, with full compensation and alternatives provided to the exiting people, Palestine could have been handed over to any group the UN pleased.

However, to encourage immigration and allow it to become an invasion was not moral, not legal, and not right. Zionist have NO claim to the land, apart from the tragedy of the US led UN giving them bits, when the UN had no natural right to do so.

God is just a fantasy sky-pixie, as real as Voldemort.

Jerusalem has historical importance for Muslims, Jews, Christians, archaeologists, satanist and many others. Means nothing, when it comes to justifying invasion and land theft.

PS:

which is why Israeli planes fly over Auschwitz on Israel Independence Day

IDF war planes fly over Auschwitz each independence day, because the IDF and Israeli leadership are a bunch of militaristic c***s, who cannot miss the opportunity to tell everyone about the size of their cocks. Respecting the sovereignty of another nations airspace clearly hasn't occurred to them as something that normal nations do.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

First of all, you're comparing your Palestinians to animals.

Sorry - is that a complaint?
In fact, I am comparing the instinct to protect your property, land and rights to that of animals. That instinct goes well back to before we were homo sapien, so the invading settlers were not in ignorance of the reaction they would provoke.

I don't know if you differentiate between the two.

Yes. Violence is not something I would recommend for Palestinians, except in self defence. However, as Americans are oft heard to say, the best defence is a strong offence.
So, I do not support Palestinian violence against immediate threats. Nor do I condemn it.

Jews have suffered from persecution for 2,000 years and deserve one place on Earth that they can call their own

I am not sure that suffering in previous generations means you deserve anything. Though Zionists never cease with their retelling of tales of hardship and not being liked, there is not one tribe in the world who doesn't have similar stories of hardship and persecution.

But if for arguments sake I accept your proposition, then if they DO deserve a place of Jewishness (disputed by many Jews, I will add) then that should be done without punishing another tribe.

For example, the world might have negotiated with Palestine, and offered new land elsewhere, and untold riches, as compensation to leave their farms. WITH AGREEMENT, after the territory had been purchased, with full compensation and alternatives provided to the exiting people, Palestine could have been handed over to any group the UN pleased.

However, to encourage immigration and allow it to become an invasion was not moral, not legal, and not right. Zionist have NO claim to the land, apart from the tragedy of the US led UN giving them bits, when the UN had no natural right to do so.

God is just a fantasy sky-pixie, as real as Voldemort.

Jerusalem has historical importance for Muslims, Jews, Christians, archaeologists, satanist and many others. Means nothing, when it comes to justifying invasion and land theft.

PS:

which is why Israeli planes fly over Auschwitz on Israel Independence Day

IDF war planes fly over Auschwitz each independence day, because the IDF and Israeli leadership are a bunch of militaristic c***s, who cannot miss the opportunity to tell everyone about the size of their cocks. Respecting the sovereignty of another nations airspace clearly hasn't occurred to them as something that normal nations do.

Let me clarify: Do you support blowing up a bus in Tel-Aviv, or just stabbing settlers in Hebron? Please be specific.

 

[montelatici]

First of all, you're comparing your Palestinians to animals.

Sorry - is that a complaint?
In fact, I am comparing the instinct to protect your property, land and rights to that of animals. That instinct goes well back to before we were homo sapien, so the invading settlers were not in ignorance of the reaction they would provoke.


Yes. Violence is not something I would recommend for Palestinians, except in self defence. However, as Americans are oft heard to say, the best defence is a strong offence.
So, I do not support Palestinian violence against immediate threats. Nor do I condemn it.


I am not sure that suffering in previous generations means you deserve anything. Though Zionists never cease with their retelling of tales of hardship and not being liked, there is not one tribe in the world who doesn't have similar stories of hardship and persecution.

But if for arguments sake I accept your proposition, then if they DO deserve a place of Jewishness (disputed by many Jews, I will add) then that should be done without punishing another tribe.

For example, the world might have negotiated with Palestine, and offered new land elsewhere, and untold riches, as compensation to leave their farms. WITH AGREEMENT, after the territory had been purchased, with full compensation and alternatives provided to the exiting people, Palestine could have been handed over to any group the UN pleased.

However, to encourage immigration and allow it to become an invasion was not moral, not legal, and not right. Zionist have NO claim to the land, apart from the tragedy of the US led UN giving them bits, when the UN had no natural right to do so.

God is just a fantasy sky-pixie, as real as Voldemort.

Jerusalem has historical importance for Muslims, Jews, Christians, archaeologists, satanist and many others. Means nothing, when it comes to justifying invasion and land theft.

PS:

which is why Israeli planes fly over Auschwitz on Israel Independence Day

IDF war planes fly over Auschwitz each independence day, because the IDF and Israeli leadership are a bunch of militaristic c***s, who cannot miss the opportunity to tell everyone about the size of their cocks. Respecting the sovereignty of another nations airspace clearly hasn't occurred to them as something that normal nations do.

Let me clarify: Do you support blowing up a bus in Te-Aviv, or just stabbing settlers in Hebron? Please be specific.

Let me clarify: Do you support bombing apartment buildings in order to kill 100s of women and children at one time in Gaza or just shooting indvidual children throwing rocks on the West Bank?

 

[Beelzebub]

Let me clarify: Do you support blowing up a bus in Te-Aviv, or just stabbing settlers in Hebron? Please be specific.

Neither.
Neither is facing down an immediate threat.

I would support resistance of an IDF incursion into Gaza. (Edit: From an ethical standpoint. I would oppose weapons of any sort going to the M.E.)

But rule of law would be much preferable in any case.
If Israel will obey the law, they would remove their occupation, and THEN I might even support the wall, as hopefully a temporary measure.

Of course it would have to be moved back to Israeli lines. And the settlements withdrawn, as well.

 

[aris2chat]

Let me clarify: Do you support blowing up a bus in Te-Aviv, or just stabbing settlers in Hebron? Please be specific.

Neither.
Neither is facing down an immediate threat.

I would support resistance of an IDF incursion into Gaza.

But rule of law would be much preferable in any case.
If Israel will obey the law, they would remove their occupation, and THEN I might even support the wall, as hopefully a temporary measure.

Of course it would have to be moved back to Israeli lines. And the settlements withdrawn, as well.

>>IDF incursion into Gaza.<< were due to rockets, mortars, bombings and kidnappings by groups like hamas and IJ.

 

[Beelzebub]

Border guards are fair game, as long as Israel is imprisoning children and bombing with impunity.

 

[montelatici]

Let me clarify: Do you support blowing up a bus in Te-Aviv, or just stabbing settlers in Hebron? Please be specific.

Neither.
Neither is facing down an immediate threat.

I would support resistance of an IDF incursion into Gaza.

But rule of law would be much preferable in any case.
If Israel will obey the law, they would remove their occupation, and THEN I might even support the wall, as hopefully a temporary measure.

Of course it would have to be moved back to Israeli lines. And the settlements withdrawn, as well.

>>IDF incursion into Gaza.<< were due to rockets, mortars, bombings and kidnappings by groups like hamas and IJ.

So that makes it ok to kill hundreds of women and children. The Nazis used to claim that killing 10 innocent villagers by firing squad in Italy was justified because resistance partisans had killed one German.

 

[GHook93]

"More than two thirds of Israeli Jews support the government's decision to suspend negotiations with the Palestinian Authority after Fatah and Hamas signed a unity deal, according to a poll published Wednesday by the Israel Democracy Institute (IDI) and Tel Aviv University.

The monthly Peace Index poll found that 68% of Israeli Jews believe the decision made by the security cabinet two weeks ago was appropriate, while 27% disagree with the move."

Poll finds two thirds of Israelis support freezing peace talks | JPost | Israel News

I agree with suspending the talks, any decision can be made binding on all and Israel should wait and see who they are dealing with and move on from there.

To have sucessful " peace talks" there has to be " negotiations" It can't be all one way. Ask what the Palestinians are doing to " negotiate" and there will be no response


Definition of NEGOTIATE

b: to arrange for or bring about through conference, discussion, and compromise <negotiate a treaty>

I say the take this approach;
(1) Do whatever they can to push more and more Palestinians out of Israel, esp in all of Jerusalem.
(2) Continue to build in the Eastern side of Jerusalem and continue to put more Jews in that area, while pushing as many Palestinians out as possible.
(3) Continue to build up the Jewish Cities in the Judea and Samaria that are along the Green-line.
(4) Start will the greenline cities and start moving out.
(5) Build more and more missile systems along the Gaza border.
(6) Enact a requirement that you serve in the army as a prerequisite for running for Parliament. Heck, Arabs can join the army if they want (same with Orthodox Jews)

In the end the goal should be to get as many Palestinians out of Israel, Judea and Samaria as possible!

**** the PC bullshit. This should be the goal and the means will take decades to meet that end, so start now!

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Let me clarify: Do you support blowing up a bus in Te-Aviv, or just stabbing settlers in Hebron? Please be specific.

Neither.
Neither is facing down an immediate threat.

I would support resistance of an IDF incursion into Gaza.

But rule of law would be much preferable in any case.
If Israel will obey the law, they would remove their occupation, and THEN I might even support the wall, as hopefully a temporary measure.

Of course it would have to be moved back to Israeli lines. And the settlements withdrawn, as well.

Settlement blocs can be swapped for some desert land in the Negev.

 

[Beelzebub]

You would have to speak to the Palestinians about that FY.

If they don't agree, I surely couldn't.

 

[aris2chat]

Neither.
Neither is facing down an immediate threat.

I would support resistance of an IDF incursion into Gaza.

But rule of law would be much preferable in any case.
If Israel will obey the law, they would remove their occupation, and THEN I might even support the wall, as hopefully a temporary measure.

Of course it would have to be moved back to Israeli lines. And the settlements withdrawn, as well.

>>IDF incursion into Gaza.<< were due to rockets, mortars, bombings and kidnappings by groups like hamas and IJ.

So that makes it ok to kill hundreds of women and children. The Nazis used to claim that killing 10 innocent villagers by firing squad in Italy was justified because resistance partisans had killed one German.

Terrorists operate from highly populated areas, or rather they "hide" among the civilians making them targets of war.

 

[José]

Originally posted by aris2chat
>>IDF incursion into Gaza.<< were due to rockets, mortars, bombings and kidnappings by groups like hamas and IJ.

And the "rockets, mortars, bombings and kidnappings" are due to the fact that since 1948 the jewish supremacist state summarily executes any unarmed palestinian civilian who tries to exercise their right to move about their homeland.

All the jewish racial dictatorship has to do to bring the palestinian armed struggle to an immediate end is revoke their policy of assassinating them when they cross into western Palestine.

I guarantee you the "rockets, bombings and kidnappings" will stop in a New York second since those cold-blooded murders are the only cause the palestinian armed struggle even exist to begin with.