Two thirds of Israelis support freezing peace talks

[Beelzebub]

The peace talks ended in March when Israel failed on the scheduled prisoner release.

This move is just showmanship.
You know: dishonesty by Israel.

Yes.

And thank God for that.

Such an action, releasing killers of the Israeli people, should not have been made in the first place without a referendum

Netanyahu may have agreed, but he realized that any further release 9especially of Israeli Arabs with blue ID, those who return to Israel and can again kill Jews without anyone asking) is just too much of a high price, and the people would have started rioting to change the government.

His freezing of "negotiation"lol was right on time. The Israelis were not interested in this kind of negotiation, nor are we ready to pay with our lives just so the gentiles be happy with our defeat.

We stopped our leadership just in time. It was not the Israeli government which broke it's word, It was the Israeli people's victory over this shameful attempt of blackmail.

I am impressed that you admit Netanyahu had negotiated in bad faith.
We knew it, but kudos to you.

But never mind.
Palestinians will go through the international legal system, which though it will not take away your tanks and F15's will make it clear beyond doubt that Israel is up to its armpits in war crimes.

At which point, look out for your economy. Which is doing quite well now. If you are the Israeli 1%. Might bugger it up a bit.

 

[I.P.Freely]

The peace talks ended in March when Israel failed on the scheduled prisoner release.

This move is just showmanship.
You know: dishonesty by Israel.

Yes.

And thank God for that.

Such an action, releasing killers of the Israeli people, should not have been made in the first place without a referendum

Netanyahu may have agreed, but he realized that any further release 9especially of Israeli Arabs with blue ID, those who return to Israel and can again kill Jews without anyone asking) is just too much of a high price, and the people would have started rioting to change the government.

His freezing of "negotiation"lol was right on time. The Israelis were not interested in this kind of negotiation, nor are we ready to pay with our lives just so the gentiles be happy with our defeat.

We stopped our leadership just in time. It was not the Israeli government which broke it's word, It was the Israeli people's victory over this shameful attempt of blackmail.

I am impressed that you admit Netanyahu had negotiated in bad faith.
We knew it, but kudos to you.

But never mind.
Palestinians will go through the international legal system, which though it will not take away your tanks and F15's will make it clear beyond doubt that Israel is up to its armpits in war crimes.

At which point, look out for your economy. Which is doing quite well now. If you are the Israeli 1%. Might bugger it up a bit.

B.L.Zeebub is nothing without the correct Avatar click to make bigger.

 

[Beelzebub]

Thank you I.P.

I will consider that for a later incarnation.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Thank you I.P.

I will consider that for a later incarnation.

for that you would have to kneel at my throne.
click to make bigger if you dare.

 

[Phoenall]

The peace talks ended in March when Israel failed on the scheduled prisoner release.

This move is just showmanship.
You know: dishonesty by Israel.

Yes.

And thank God for that.

Such an action, releasing killers of the Israeli people, should not have been made in the first place without a referendum

Netanyahu may have agreed, but he realized that any further release 9especially of Israeli Arabs with blue ID, those who return to Israel and can again kill Jews without anyone asking) is just too much of a high price, and the people would have started rioting to change the government.

His freezing of "negotiation"lol was right on time. The Israelis were not interested in this kind of negotiation, nor are we ready to pay with our lives just so the gentiles be happy with our defeat.

We stopped our leadership just in time. It was not the Israeli government which broke it's word, It was the Israeli people's victory over this shameful attempt of blackmail.

I am impressed that you admit Netanyahu had negotiated in bad faith.
We knew it, but kudos to you.

But never mind.
Palestinians will go through the international legal system, which though it will not take away your tanks and F15's will make it clear beyond doubt that Israel is up to its armpits in war crimes.

At which point, look out for your economy. Which is doing quite well now. If you are the Israeli 1%. Might bugger it up a bit.

Wishful thinking as when the legal system starts looking closely at the facts it will find the Palestinian's are the ones in breach of humanitarian law and will be charged with not only war crimes but crimes against humanity and human rights offences. Why do you think the west is now calling a halt to any more aid going to the Palestinians, and they will find them selves selling the family silver, in this case the west bank, to clear their international debts

 

[Beelzebub]

If so Phoney, why are the Israelis so against Palestine going that route?

Could it because they know how wrong you are?

 

[RandomVariable]

Notice that when asked what the Palestinians have done to " negotiate" there is no response? That is why there will never be a " Palestinian state".

Israel wants peace and the Palestinians want peace (at least the majority on each side). The problem is the Palestinians keep getting used a chess piece in the struggle between Israel and the Arab countries in the region. When a true representative of the Palestinian people comes to the negotiating table there will be peace. Not before. The Palestinian people are suffering the greatest and have been for almost 70 years.

The biggest problem to that is the fact no Palestinian is prepared to sign his own death warrant by agreeing to peace with Israel. He/She would not last a year after any such agreement before getting murdered by some other faction inside or outside of palestine

A year? More like a few minutes. I really, really like to have this wonderful feeling about the future but as far as this issue goes nothing short of, well something really significant, there will never be peace in the Middle East. The best thing might be just be to learn to live with it and try to keep the causalities to a minimum.

 

[Beelzebub]

That is funny RV, after Yitzhak Rabin.

 

[RandomVariable]

That is funny RV, after Yitzhak Rabin.

Absolutely, it is both sides. I just think the Palestinian leader would last a few minutes whereas the Israeli leader would last a few hours. I don't actually mean those times literally but I think the relation is accurate. I might have it the wrong way around but truth of the matter these peace talks are completely unrealistic.

 

[Beelzebub]

If you consider the situation, it can be compared to that between a cat and a mouse.

They may both wish each other gone, but the cat wants to eat before the mouse it completely gone.
The mouse has no love of the cat, but would want peace, because it is in no position to win in a fight. It may inflict significant damage, or it may just be gobbled down.

So Palestine & Palestinians may never love Israel, but they are doing a lot to agree to a peace. Just not one where they are eaten to non-existence.

 

[RandomVariable]

If you consider the situation, it can be compared to that between a cat and a mouse.

They may both wish each other gone, but the cat wants to eat before the mouse it completely gone.
The mouse has no love of the cat, but would want peace, because it is in no position to win in a fight. It may inflict significant damage, or it may just be gobbled down.

So Palestine & Palestinians may never love Israel, but they are doing a lot to agree to a peace. Just not one where they are eaten to non-existence.

But it is not the Palestinians. It is Hamas and the PLO. They want power and could not care less about the Palestinian people. The solution would actually have to rewrite 1948. The Palestinian people were told to stand their ground and the Jewish people would soon be removed. Ever since the Palestinian people have been told they are getting all their land back and to accept nothing less. Palestinians can not even build permanent structures in Lebanon. And then the camps are breeding grounds for martyrs. Good figure.

 

[Beelzebub]

Hamas and the PLO are corrupt, yes, just as Likid and every Israeli government has been disgusting;y corrupt and criminal, since the inception.

But they are still of the Palestinians. If every Hamas and Fatah member was magically vanished from Palestine today, Palestinians would demand someone stand up to protect them from the worst excesses of the IDF.

And sadly those people, once with power, would probably become corrupt.

They are still the leaders in the area.
As with any organisation, if there is encouragement for good governance and punishment for bad they would evolve in the right way.

That said, looking at our own leaders, it is a bloody long journey.

 

[proudveteran06]

The peace talks ended in March when Israel failed on the scheduled prisoner release.

This move is just showmanship.
You know: dishonesty by Israel.

Yes.

And thank God for that.

Such an action, releasing killers of the Israeli people, should not have been made in the first place without a referendum

Netanyahu may have agreed, but he realized that any further release 9especially of Israeli Arabs with blue ID, those who return to Israel and can again kill Jews without anyone asking) is just too much of a high price, and the people would have started rioting to change the government.

His freezing of "negotiation"lol was right on time. The Israelis were not interested in this kind of negotiation, nor are we ready to pay with our lives just so the gentiles be happy with our defeat.

We stopped our leadership just in time. It was not the Israeli government which broke it's word, It was the Israeli people's victory over this shameful attempt of blackmail.

I am impressed that you admit Netanyahu had negotiated in bad faith.
We knew it, but kudos to you.

But never mind.
Palestinians will go through the international legal system, which though it will not take away your tanks and F15's will make it clear beyond doubt that Israel is up to its armpits in war crimes.

At which point, look out for your economy. Which is doing quite well now. If you are the Israeli 1%. Might bugger it up a bit.

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...oners-without-clear-benefit-for-Israel-346906


As usual the Pro Palestinian lies. It was the Palestinians who " negotiated" in bad faith. It was never part of the " agreement" that all prosoners had to be released BEFORE they can even start to talk . Let the Palestinians go to the U.N. Israel will never go back to Borders that were never recognized or accepted in the first place, give up E.Jerusalem which includes their Holy Sites or allow " Right of Return"

 

[SAYIT]

So Palestine & Palestinians may never love Israel, but they are doing a lot to agree to a peace.

Such as?

 

[Lipush]

That is funny RV, after Yitzhak Rabin.

Yyou seems upset that we didn't release the Palestinian terrorists, huum?

Yitzhak Rabin, eh?

"I want you to break their bones; Get the one that threw the stones, break his arms and legs. But keep the head intact, we need to know who sent them"- Yitzhak Rabin to Golani soldier, January 19th, 1988

 

[RandomVariable]

Hamas and the PLO are corrupt, yes, just as Likid and every Israeli government has been disgusting;y corrupt and criminal, since the inception.

But they are still of the Palestinians. If every Hamas and Fatah member was magically vanished from Palestine today, Palestinians would demand someone stand up to protect them from the worst excesses of the IDF.

And sadly those people, once with power, would probably become corrupt.

They are still the leaders in the area.
As with any organisation, if there is encouragement for good governance and punishment for bad they would evolve in the right way.

That said, looking at our own leaders, it is a bloody long journey.

The Palestinians were tossed from the newly created Israel and the lived a refugee life for about two decades until Yasar Arafat came to power. Palestinians wept and cried and loved that man for he was the first person who really took up the cause of the Palestinians. And Arafat ran the Palestinians through the meat grinder mercilessly and played game of on again/off again peace talks all the while racking up the dead on both sides. One can thank Arafat more than anyone else for the death curse on any leader who agrees to peace. Everyone wanted to be the next Arafat. Arafat was their idol for the love and power he had, even if those traits were earned with the blood of innocents. And that is why Hamas, the PLO, and Hezbollah can not be trusted in the least.

 

[Lipush]

Hamas and the PLO are corrupt, yes, just as Likid and every Israeli government has been disgusting;y corrupt and criminal, since the inception.

But they are still of the Palestinians. If every Hamas and Fatah member was magically vanished from Palestine today, Palestinians would demand someone stand up to protect them from the worst excesses of the IDF.

And sadly those people, once with power, would probably become corrupt.

They are still the leaders in the area.
As with any organisation, if there is encouragement for good governance and punishment for bad they would evolve in the right way.

That said, looking at our own leaders, it is a bloody long journey.

It's LIKUD, not LIKID.

Geezez

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If you consider the situation, it can be compared to that between a cat and a mouse.

They may both wish each other gone, but the cat wants to eat before the mouse it completely gone.
The mouse has no love of the cat, but would want peace, because it is in no position to win in a fight. It may inflict significant damage, or it may just be gobbled down.

So Palestine & Palestinians may never love Israel, but they are doing a lot to agree to a peace. Just not one where they are eaten to non-existence.

First of all, I don't think a mouse can do significant damage to a cat. You're referring to a rat over there.

Secondly, Palestinians have compromised NOTHING for a peace deal, so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Palestinians have made completely outrageous demands throughout the 9 months or so of negotiations. If Israel had been really smart, they would've refrained from building in the settlements for that short period of time, and the negotiations would've failed anyway, solely because of these outrageous demands on the Palestinians' part. Then it would've been apparent who the real villains are.

 

[aris2chat]

The Palestinians have made completely outrageous demands throughout the 9 months or so of negotiations. If Israel had been really smart, they would've refrained from building in the settlements for that short period of time, and the negotiations would've failed anyway, solely because of these outrageous demands on the Palestinians' part. Then it would've been apparent who the real villains are.

Israel was not willing to release the extra 1000 prisoners, above the 400 already agreed to, that Abbas was demanding. The last minute change was unacceptable as it included some serving multiple life sentences.