A lecture about "thinking" from a tool like you who is incapable of coherent thinking is too funny.
The next time you think will be the first time you think.
Coming from a moron who makes assumptions and spouts them in a thread like this without a shred of evidence, I'll feel free to ignore this bit of BS.
Again. You are demanding "proof" of things which (a) are not required to be proved (because you are deflecting for all you're worth, like the pussy you are) and (b) are unlikely to be publicly available. All irrelevant. The example is the very thing that demonstrates the invalidity of your proposition.
This explains why you duck it. I did, of course, correctly note that you are deflecting and that you are a pussy.
But they care about you.
No you don't.
Hey, retard. I said THEY care about you. THEY. Not me. You really are an imbecile.
You care about giving them "rights" to which they aren't even entitled in a context to which it does not pertain.
Ah, I see, not only does your "gut" tell you what works in the world of interrogation...
but NOW
it tells you what other people are "really" thinking![/quote]
You seem perfectly willing to tell us what DOESN'T "work." Your rules do not apply only to others. You remain an obvious moron. In any event, I wasn't talking about "gut" or what "works" at that point. I was talking about the irrationality of telling them that they have a right to remain silent. How stupid can you possibly be? If you care about getting the information (as you previously claimed, you dishonest fucktard), you wouldn't tell them that they had some alleged "right" not to inform you of the very intel you need.
That's some amazing "gut" you have there. ROFL.
I said nothing about "gut" or "gut feeling," you dishonest twat.
These are general categories of information gathering that apply to this situation. I consider methods like using hallucinogens and deprivation techniques to be part of the "stick" category.
That's nice. Most people would say that it's neither carrot nor stick, imbecile.
But that is a semantic argument.
Then stop quibbling you waffling pussy.
If you would like to introduce other categories into the conversation, feel free to list them, but it will not detract from my point.
I didn't introduce any other categories. I merely denied your false dichotomy. What detracts from your pointless is your inherent lack of logic.
If that's so, then what makes you think he wouldn't do that anyway, or even worse, give false information that leads to wasting resources as mentioned in a prior post?
You need to make up your petty irrational liberoidally stupid mind, dickweed. Either you are opposed to "torture" on morality grounds or you are opposed to it because it doesn't work. If it works and you don't want to resort to it, then it's a moral objection. But if it's not a moral objection, then it must be because you believe it allegedly doesn't work.
You cannot establish that it "doesn't work." That's just a dishonest and baseless claim. OF COURSE a person being subjected to torture MIGHT VERY WELL lie his ass off to get the interrogators to stop hurting him. But that's just temporary. It is logically expected that lying will only earn him greater punishment, sooner or later he is predictably going to stop lying.
The last thing we want is for Abdul to think he has ANY option of refusing to give us the information we need.
"Abdul" always has the option to lie or to not talk.
No no, stupid. He has that option only at first. When he "learns" that it only garners him additional punishment, he can be taught to stop lying.
Waterboarding isn't torture but even if it were I don't care. Torture is hideous and should be avoided where reasonably possible. But even so, we should do what we need to do to extract from these bastards whatever intel we need. And if that includes "torture," then so be it.
You, like many of your pussy ilk, dodged the question. Do you have ANY concept of what it felt like to be trapped inside the Twin Towers as they burned like a damn furnace a story or two below? I don't want to ever have any of our fellow citizens (or guests) subjected to that again, and most certainly not on the basis that we were too "refined" and too "civilized" to forcefully extract the information we needed when we could have gotten it.
Again, visceral satisfaction, and logical intelligence gathering do not mix.
You keep making that empty and unsupported claim. Try backing it up. It's not a matter of faith, shithead. Prove it.
I had friends who died in the towers. My girlfriend at the time worked in a building 5 blocks away and ran through the cloud of ash.
I personally was working 20 blocks away.
Do you really think that your anger over the incident is any greater than mine? Personally I'd like to literally slice some of these assholes apart with a butter knife.
No, stupid. I just think you are gaining some psychological benefit from trying to be more pure and noble and civilized and refined than the stereotype you have in your pinhead about those who disagree with your ridiculous "analysis." My wife was damn fucking close to the towers too. I wasn't all that far away, frankly, albeit outside the immediate zone of danger. I heard the voices of firefighters and cops on their walkie-talkies at the moment the first tower went down. There are things I will never get out of my mind. It's not a QUESTION of who is angrier or more pure. It is a matter of responding accordingly. Not out of irrational anger, but out of a concern that it not be permitted to happen again (at least to the extent we can be proactive and prevent it).
That being said, there's effective and there's emotional. The two are rarely found together.
And it is irrational and ineffective to tell the person with the information we need NOW that he has a bullshit make-believe "right" to remain silent when he never ever had any such "right" and never should have even been assumed to HAVE any such "right."
IF you TELL the fucker that he has a right not to talk, what the fuck is he GOING to talk for? It's ridiculous. Is there no way to get that through your incredibly thick skull?
And I'd rather see every one of these assholes caught than see only one or two of them be tortured.
I really enjoy when you end up with a transparently absurd weak lame-ass false dichotomy.
You are pointless.
